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[NashCarey]

God has Spoken

[NashCarey]

God has Spoken

[Varin]

Hate to bring this up again, but....

From this thread...

[Myssfitz]

Ok. I don't know if this will help or not, but all of the "mistrust" was laid out to us in the beginning by Nash. See this thread.

And particularly this post by Nash. Here is an excerpt:

[Giskard]

I'm glad you brought this up Varin, because it probably needs some explanation, or at least discussion. The situation has many people confused... the way I see it, Marcus mentioned the 'boards you used before' just to point at our means of communication as Ideltech employees in general, not unFiction specifically.

He advises us to share our information on UI, and not anywhere else, but as far as Marcus is concerned, the only info there is to share is in-game, i.e. Ideltech related, info. META-info, which does not exist in Marcus' world, is what we should be discussing here on uF.

The way I see it, the UI boards are a good way to share info among the Ideltech group without it necessarily being spread among players that chose another side. This will fix the fact that we've had some issues of distrust among the players. Some critics (rightly) mentioned it is also up to the PM's and the level of control they have over what info gets used and what not, and this is still the case, but the UI boards can be seen as a tool to help the situation.

The "taking sides" thing is new in the ARGing genre, and does not appeal to a lot of people because it goes against the ARG instincts of working as a team I guess. Although it and the way it has been handled has been heavily criticised, personally I do not think it is a bad thing per se, and it does not necessarily mean we can't work on a game together as a group. We (and by we I mean both players and PM's) need some getting used to the idea and how to handle it, but it is a novel twist imho, and it can be pulled off if done correctly.

Having said that, we still really need uF to discuss what's going on in an out-of-game (META?) matter, like we always have. For that, all of the players really need to understand the fact uF and the information it contains is out of game...

[Nightmare Tony]

Unless part of a game's precepts is scripted to include UF interaction.

I like the idea personally of such happenings, at least in game cont And why shouldn't we have BTS working the forums? Maybe a game direction had been spinning out of control too far and no ingame work could bring it back. Some helpful direction from a BTS in a forum would help get things back on track. (*There IS a reason for a predefined path by the creators of a haunted house, to view the sequence of the art and experience set up

To me (opinion of a newbie here), the curtain line is defined as a part of the game parameters, and the ***ONLY*** real game curtain is the final curtain call when everyone comes out of the curtain and enjoys the postgame party with all the players. Then it is understood that the game is no longer active and everyone is free to be themselves.

Unless we want a campaign to fall into a predictable and dare I say? boring pattern, we MUST let the PMs create the game in their own style and sweep the iron curtain around as needed and per their personalities and needs of the game.

Nash being in here he feels is important and does not hurt the integrity of his game. I am very much up for that. Rotten tomatoes and good comments go hand in hand with that, but as aPM, he and they are very much a part of this community and should not be shunned out for their work during gametime

pardon, morning blathering here

[Varin]

[Nightmare Tony]

Thanks. Was sad on seeing the remains of Beast and Mu, so when this got linked in from Cloudmakers, got realy excited. Am nuts about the Dark Tower book series, but am going to stick with Syzygy for now. Already got my sleepless nights and it hasnt even started yet!

Maybe if a game requires it, an arrangement can be made with VpiSteve to allow the TOS to help preserve the game's original integrity, maybe a tos violatiion may be scripted in later on in the game? Such a thing may be very well in future campaigns, but I think a pre-arrangement about it is a good thing.

Frank Zappa said it best in terms of art, the definition ohe has of art is either an event or scene with a defined beginning and ending, and then a box fdrawn around it by the artist DEFINING it as their art.

And since the artt is still evolving here, the box changes sdhape every second. And it is a good thing.

[NashCarey]

UF is the line

[Arachnia]

[NashCarey]

for the record

[vpisteve]

Gather up a seat around the campfire boys, and let me tell you a little bit about a little game called Noah Boddy..

The Push, NV television show spawned a follow-up game, produced by some folks who were ostensibly connected to the show in some way. It held quite a bit of promise, actually, and they put a lot of work into it. I followed it pretty closely for a while. Overall, the game was really cool and well done, though confusing at times.

Problem is, they made the mistake of posting as in-game characters on the Yahoo! Group board right along with the players. The result: the game crumbled into anarchy and flame wars, and many angry, hurt players. This all happened amazingly quickly, and was not fun to watch.

It was after seeing this happen that we all realized how important it was for players to have their own space, and spacebass adjusted the TOS accordingly, even though it hadn't really been a problem on Unfiction. It's not so much because it's a stylistic preference as much as it's to avoid the same thing happening here.

(This ARG History Minute brought to you by The Versaille Casino.)

[dnbmathguy]

Noah Boddy's other claim to fame is the crazy "birdy strong! birdy strong!" lady in the chats. I'm convinced she was an in-game character... if not, oh my.

Anyway. As most of you know, I was one of the dudes behind JMX. I played along on the Yahoo board as myself. Now, technically, I wasn't playing a character... but is that different than, oh say, a BTS person playing? You could argue that JMX isn't an ARG, but I'm interested.

[Varin]

[Caterpillar]