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[THEORY] Why I think Seth is totheark
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knightmare
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 		[THEORY] Why I think Seth is totheark
- The first TTA video came after Entry 9.
- Entry 9 was also the first appearance of Seth.
- In this Entry, Alex admonishes Seth for stopping the camera recording.
- TTA videos have a theme about how there's more than what's on the tapes.

- Seth was the camera operator, so presumably had video editing skills displayed in the TTA videos.
- He also likely had access to MH footage that nobody except Alex would have had access to.

- Seth also appears in entry 22, in which he is the last man standing, other than Alex.
- Because of this, he could have experienced the disappearances of Tim, Brian, Jay, and Sarah, along with Alex. This would play into TTA seeming to know much more about what's going on than Jay/Tim.

- Jay finds a paper in entry 16 (that he reviews in entry 19.5) that seemingly tells him to go to the red tower.
- The TTA entry: Version has an upside-down picture of the red tower, with the description: s (s, for Seth?)
- At the tower (in entry 21) Jay finds a tape
- The tape is played in entry 22, which shows Seth being the last of Alex's associates being alive, and his possible encounter with TO.

- Seth also makes an appearance in entry 54. Both he and Jay leave, while Tim, Brian, and Alex hang out inside. Seth and Jay don't experience whatever happens with TO right there at the end of entry 54.
- As a response to entry 54, we get the TTA entry: Decay. This flat out blames Alex for everything that has happened. Now, if Alex is truly to blame, then Seth, as the last man standing, would have been in the best position to know that.

- Several TTA videos have words than contain an extra "S"


The one thing that trips me up is the "Who am I, Am I The Third" from Quadrant. My thought on what that could mean is that there were 4 people involved with MH (that we know about) that aren't Alex or Jay: Brian, Sarah, Seth, and Tim (listed alphabetically.) Of that quadrant, Seth would be the third.

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 		Re: [THEORY] Why I think Seth is totheark
Just to add something

knightmare wrote:
- The first TTA video came after Entry 9.
- Entry 9 was also the first appearance of Seth.


This was also the first appereance of Sarah and Tim, and we know that the TTA videos uploaded in S1 were probably uploaded by Tim

I'm not saying Seth is not involved though, although the only thing that makes me think that there's someone else in the TTA group besides Brian and Tim is Decline (Did you make me a liar or is he gone)

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 		You're just rehashing old theories here... none of this is new

The best logic for Seth being totheark is that if the operator was appearing in film footage he would have known it well before Alex, as well.

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 		After the first entry that Hoody appears in (hiding in the background) the TTA vid "Intermission" was posted which has the line "did you see me" in it. That seems like pretty solid evidence that Hoody is at least a part of TTA. Masky was also probably a part of it in seasons 1 and 2.

So I think it's pretty clear TTA is not just Seth. In fact I'd say it's definitely mostly Hoody (Null doesn't make much sense if that wasn't Hoody posting it).

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 		Re: [THEORY] Why I think Seth is totheark
TheManPF wrote:
Just to add something

knightmare wrote:
- The first TTA video came after Entry 9.
- Entry 9 was also the first appearance of Seth.


This was also the first appereance of Sarah and Tim, and we know that the TTA videos uploaded in S1 were probably uploaded by Tim

I'm not saying Seth is not involved though, although the only thing that makes me think that there's someone else in the TTA group besides Brian and Tim is Decline (Did you make me a liar or is he gone)


Well, I think of TTA as being the guy that makes the videos and posts them, which I think is Seth. I definitely think that Hoody was kinda like the foot soldier for TTA, and when Masky teamed up with Hoody, he was also a foot soldier for TTA. So maybe that's what "Am I the third means?" He's the 3rd member of the TTA videos, the one we haven't seen.

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 		Totheark isn't a single person. It's possible that Seth is involved since he's still unaccounted for, but Brian and Tim are both confirmed contributors to the channel. Totheark may not be limited to just them, but it is also not a separate entity from them.

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420Goku wrote:
After the first entry that Hoody appears in (hiding in the background) the TTA vid "Intermission" was posted which has the line "did you see me" in it. That seems like pretty solid evidence that Hoody is at least a part of TTA. Masky was also probably a part of it in seasons 1 and 2.

So I think it's pretty clear TTA is not just Seth. In fact I'd say it's definitely mostly Hoody (Null doesn't make much sense if that wasn't Hoody posting it).


I think Hoody does most of the heavy lifting, and gives footage to Seth, who posts it as TTA.

The person hiding by the tree in entry 40 looks more like they are wearing dark clothes, not a light tan top that Hoody is famous for. It's possible that both TTA and Hoody were there (assuming they are two different people.)

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Totheark isn't a single person. It's possible that Seth is involved since he's still unaccounted for, but Brian and Tim are both confirmed contributors to the channel. Totheark may not be limited to just them, but it is also not a separate entity from them.


I consider TTA to be the guy that makes and uploads the videos from wherever he gets the raw footage. And I think that person is Seth. Now, do Brian/Hoody and Tim/Masky do some heavy lifting and provide footage? Definitely. But I think the guy behind the channel is Seth.

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 		I've been hoping this for some time as it would function as (OOG):
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a minor twist to add spice to the Brian as Hoody arc, almost as fan service making the two theorized frontrunners for TTA/Hoody confirmed involved, tying up more loose ends from S1, the list goes on


Unfortunately as time goes on and each Entry brings us closer to the end, and especially given the contents of 83 and 84, my hope for this theory dwindles. The only chance for this now would be if TTA unexpectedly put out a new vid - if TTA released almost anything, I think most people would readily agree that the most logical person to be behind it would be Seth.

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knightmare wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Totheark isn't a single person. It's possible that Seth is involved since he's still unaccounted for, but Brian and Tim are both confirmed contributors to the channel. Totheark may not be limited to just them, but it is also not a separate entity from them.


I consider TTA to be the guy that makes and uploads the videos from wherever he gets the raw footage. And I think that person is Seth. Now, do Brian/Hoody and Tim/Masky do some heavy lifting and provide footage? Definitely. But I think the guy behind the channel is Seth.


It's referred to itself as "we", and at least once referred to Tim as "me". It has at least two known contributors, one being Tim, the other being Brian. Like I said, it's possible that Seth is involved, but evidence suggests that Seth could not be "totheark" in and of himself.

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 		It's a fair theory to have, and one that I held myself for a while. But the thing is we haven't been given any evidence that there is anyone other than Masky and Hoody in the TTA party (save for skully who we haven't seen since #26). The identity of neither Hoody nor Masky was Seth even although he was a prime candidate for Hoody with all the raw footage/audio, hatred for Alex, editing skills and whatnot. I always thought Hoody was the operator/editor and the person who uploaded the TTA videos and there seems to be a bit of weight to that given the channel has gone quiet since #83. I don't think that fall would have killed Hoody but I digress. Also any TTA video that features Hoody in shot not holding the camera is a static shot where the camera is stationary, Hoody could have easily set the camera down when filming Surveillance, Display(?) and Classified. Even so, Masky may have even used the camera once or twice, Tim knows how to use a camera, and there's much unaccounted time in between entries that Hoody could have taken him for a shoot. Whenever Hoody took over the MH channel and uploaded videos they had a TTA vibe to them. If however, TTA uploads then I'll entertain the notion that Seth is behind it, but even if it's just Hoody working the channel I wouldn't see death stopping him from uploading. I just think it's late to bring out Seth even though it'd make so much sense if he was TTA.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
knightmare wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Totheark isn't a single person. It's possible that Seth is involved since he's still unaccounted for, but Brian and Tim are both confirmed contributors to the channel. Totheark may not be limited to just them, but it is also not a separate entity from them.


I consider TTA to be the guy that makes and uploads the videos from wherever he gets the raw footage. And I think that person is Seth. Now, do Brian/Hoody and Tim/Masky do some heavy lifting and provide footage? Definitely. But I think the guy behind the channel is Seth.


It's referred to itself as "we", and at least once referred to Tim as "me". It has at least two known contributors, one being Tim, the other being Brian. Like I said, it's possible that Seth is involved, but evidence suggests that Seth could not be "totheark" in and of himself.


If TTA is working with Hoody and Masky, he could call the 3 of them "we."

When does TTA refer to Tim as "me"?

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Cyan507 wrote:
It's a fair theory to have, and one that I held myself for a while. But the thing is we haven't been given any evidence that there is anyone other than Masky and Hoody in the TTA party (save for skully who we haven't seen since #26). The identity of neither Hoody nor Masky was Seth even although he was a prime candidate for Hoody with all the raw footage/audio, hatred for Alex, editing skills and whatnot. I always thought Hoody was the operator/editor and the person who uploaded the TTA videos and there seems to be a bit of weight to that given the channel has gone quiet since #83. I don't think that fall would have killed Hoody but I digress. Also any TTA video that features Hoody in shot not holding the camera is a static shot where the camera is stationary, Hoody could have easily set the camera down when filming Surveillance, Display(?) and Classified. Even so, Masky may have even used the camera once or twice, Tim knows how to use a camera, and there's much unaccounted time in between entries that Hoody could have taken him for a shoot. Whenever Hoody took over the MH channel and uploaded videos they had a TTA vibe to them. If however, TTA uploads then I'll entertain the notion that Seth is behind it, but even if it's just Hoody working the channel I wouldn't see death stopping him from uploading. I just think it's late to bring out Seth even though it'd make so much sense if he was TTA.


We've been given a lot of evidence, as I laid out in my first post.

I do believe that a lot of TTA footage (when it is footage) came from Hoody and/or Masky, as I belive those two work with TTA. So, the TTA channel may be quiet because his foot soldiers are gone. Hoody is either dead, seriously injured, or stuck in the dark place. Tim adamantly refused to put on the mask, so TTA is left with himself.

Why would TTA wait so long to reveal himself? Well, if you're the man with the plan and you have 2 capable foot soldiers to carry out that plan, why would you put yourself in slendy situations? He can hang back and let Hoody/Masky do all the heavy lifting while he plots and edits videos. However, if we are truly near the endgame, this is a perfect time for TTA to reveal himself. His foot soldiers are out of the game, so he's going to have to step out of the shadows. The identity of TTA has been one of the mysteries since the beginning of the series. If we're at endgame, this is the right time for the reveal, either by way of a TTA video, or Seth showing up at Tim's house, either as himself, or as Skully or whatever.

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Why would TTA wait so long to reveal himself? Well, if you're the man with the plan and you have 2 capable foot soldiers to carry out that plan, why would you put yourself in slendy situations? He can hang back and let Hoody/Masky do all the heavy lifting while he plots and edits videos. However, if we are truly near the endgame, this is a perfect time for TTA to reveal himself. His foot soldiers are out of the game, so he's going to have to step out of the shadows. The identity of TTA has been one of the mysteries since the beginning of the series. If we're at endgame, this is the right time for the reveal, either by way of a TTA video, or Seth showing up at Tim's house, either as himself, or as Skully or whatever.


If that truly happened and Seth showed up mid-showdown between Alex and Tim it would be so kick-ass. Like if they were wrestling like in #75 and the door just burst open with Seth donning the Skully mask and holding Brian's hoody.

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knightmare wrote:
When does TTA refer to Tim as "me"?


In a video posted by totheark after Jay's first trip to Brian's house, the one that uses footage from the short film "Silent Snow, Secret Snow", there is text inserted at the end saying "Come back. Find me." This was followed immediately by the entry wherein Jay goes back to the house and finds Tim, therefore totheark has referred to himself as Tim.

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If TTA is working with Hoody and Masky, he could call the 3 of them "we."


But as far as we know, "totheark" is nothing more than the name of a youtube channel. If three people have actively contributed to it, then they would all be classified as "totheark" anyway. That's assuming there even is a third person.

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