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[VIDEO] Entry #85
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gennerx
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Well, if there were any doubts about Tim being the source this pretty much confirms it.

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lonsumtravlr
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Teedub wrote:
^

I'm pretty sure nobody has ever gone to the police in this series because:

A). TheIn-Game police would believe that the videos are fake.

B). Even if the police did arrest Alex or whatever, Alex could easily make an escape due to the Operator.

C). Plus the police would probably end up getting killed by Alex's shenanigans, and nobody wanted to be responsible for that.


And D). Tim would get arrested for more than a couple of counts of criminal harassment and possible assault, as well as for several counts of breaking and entering. All the way back to entry #18. It's not as if Jay's around to serve as a character witness.

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Teedub
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Hey man, the universe of Marble Hornets and The Operator is just a dark, dark place. People smashing people in the head with rocks, an entity teleporting you all sorts of places and making you cough up blood, masked people chasing you around and giving you very non-specific hints about everything that hardly make sense. I think anyone would give up on life

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lonsumtravlr
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FalloutGhoul wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Speaking of confronting gun-toting maniacs, Tim doesn't do anything to Alex because he's surprised to see the guy who's been shown with a gun in almost every one of his more chronologically recent appearances so far has a gun? Tim didn't even seem to have a knife, which even Jay usually had. Why lead the guy with a gun to your house, enter the house after him so you can catch him by surprise, then when his back is turned, just do nothing? Tim's smarter than this.

I think it's one thing to be a tough guy in the abstract and be all "come fight me bro" behind a keyboard, and quite another thing to actually have a person with a gun and the clear intent to kill you in your house. I can completely believe that Tim told himself he could jump Alex only to find he just couldn't bring himself to do it at the last moment.

Interesting point about this Entry: we almost never see Alex's face. He's got his back to us all the way through the house, when he lights the porch he's standing in the dark with the brim of his hat pushed down, and the one tiny glimpse we get is caught in the glare from the fire. Obviously he hasn't literally lost his face, but speaking metaphorically it's an interesting reversal: this series started with a guy filming himself in his house waiting for a creepy faceless guy to show up, and this entry was about... well, much the same sort of thing, really.

Shocked Silly Whoa, that last part just realized that it all came full circle.


And those of you stating that "Alex was the one who burned Jay's apartment", it wasn't; it was TTA.


TTA does make the most sense still. Though it is plausible that Alex started it. In which case, I wonder whether the timestamp on the video sent to Jay in Entry#26 is authentic (IG, I mean). I wonder how much of what we've really seen (other than the basics: Tim fucked, Alex fucked up, Oppy everywhere, most of the MH cast and crew gone) has really unfolded the way it's presented...

Still, heckuva series any way.

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lonsumtravlr
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Teedub wrote:
Hey man, the universe of Marble Hornets and The Operator is just a dark, dark place. People smashing people in the head with rocks, an entity teleporting you all sorts of places and making you cough up blood, masked people chasing you around and giving you very non-specific hints about everything that hardly make sense. I think anyone would give up on life


Agreed. I'm amazed Tim's stuck it through this long. I did like the revelation that he didn't trust himself with a firearm (with a possible implication being that he'd turn it on himself).

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Dacad
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As for why Tim didn't jump Alex, I was wondering that the whole time myself. This is the first time Tim has ever confronted a gun wielding Alex, though, so maybe he froze up. As an HvZ player, I have on numerous times not charged someone as a zombie, just telling myself that I was going to get an even better opening while knowing that I wouldn't. In HvZ, though, the guns can only stun you for three minutes.

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gennerx
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I love how Tim spent all this time just sitting around waiting for something to happen. It's a tribute to the fan-base.

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Teedub
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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Teedub wrote:
Hey man, the universe of Marble Hornets and The Operator is just a dark, dark place. People smashing people in the head with rocks, an entity teleporting you all sorts of places and making you cough up blood, masked people chasing you around and giving you very non-specific hints about everything that hardly make sense. I think anyone would give up on life


Agreed. I'm amazed Tim's stuck it through this long. I did like the revelation that he didn't trust himself with a firearm (with a possible implication being that he'd turn it on himself).


Also, I would think he also thought of the possibility of becoming Masky again at some point, and Masky + a Firearm? That would not be healthy.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
One thing that's pretty dumb is Alex says "you know where to find me"

Which isn't true, otherwise Tim wouldn't have spent 6 weeks waiting around...


I have to assume dumb is what they're going for. I mean the guy was literally surrounding himself with lighter fluid in an enclosed space and challenging someone who, for all he knew, had gone crazy again. I think Alex is just in "IDGAF" mode at this point.

And this isn't really relevant to anything, but I think they were on to something when they had Tim playing the banjo. In-game it wouldn't have made sense to do this, but if they had put the audio of him playing over the next couple of clips of him, that would have been pretty cool.


How is it dumb for Alex to say that when so much of the series--including the sites of Alex's attacks on other members of the MH cast and crew, many TO appearances, and much of the warping in Entry #83--took place at Tim's old hospital or the woods of Rosswood Park near the hospital? Those are the most logical guesses. Tim had been trying to draw Alex out, not the other way round.

Agreed on Alex's mood. But I think it's fair to say he's been in that mood for a while. (Or that if he gives a fuck about anything, it's doing what he thinks will end this.)

Geneaux486, were you making a duelling banjos reference? Otherwise, I'm not sure I follow you.


It's obviously dumb because like I said, if Tim knew where to find Alex, he wouldn't be sitting on his ass. Alex saying "you know where to find me" implies Tim is just gonna magically "remember" where to find Alex or something dumb like that

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Teedub
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He will find him at one of the series past locations. Hospital, school, rosswood, etc.

It's not that difficult, man. Rolling Eyes

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onetruepurple
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Of course Tim knows where Alex would be waiting. (Because he's holding like 500 secrets.) He was waiting at home because he wanted the confrontation to happen on his terms. Alex changed the state of play.

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I was thinking about what Alex meant by "it's all Tim's fault - he left them there." Alex sounds like he only recently found out about Tim's actions - "I thought it was me but it was your fault it happened." "It happened" was during the original filming so there must be some footage that we haven't seen but Alex has seen recently.

There were two sources of footage that we have seen, Alex's and Tim's. Alex recorded footage on at least two cameras, the one he shot most of his home footage on and the camera Seth had. Alex had the last footage that Seth shot before he was "taken" and presumably he saw all of the other footage - it didn't seem like Seth was interested in investigating anything on his own, he was just Alex's cameraman.

So, the footage must have come from Tim's camera. But Jay looked through the tapes that Tim had and he didn't post anything that looked like Tim was guilty of anything and nothing like he "left them there." So we've see all of the footage that was shot right?

Something occurred to me - what happened to the camera that Alex loaned Tim? How many tapes did Tim have the day that Alex attacked him? Tim didn't know how long Alex was planning to be at the hospital that day - he asked Alex whether he was going to do any filming and who knows how long that would take. It would make sense for him to bring several tapes. There wasn't any footage after that day, Jay would have uploaded it.

Wouldn't it make sense for Tim to switch out the tape at least one more time? He seemed determined to film himself in entry 57 and he was awake the next day. We know that cameras like that can record at least three tapes with one battery, entry 38 and the two tapes that make up entry 50 were recorded on the same charge.

What happened to Brian in entry 51? When the Operator appeared Alex disappeared and Brian was left with Alex's camera. Brian takes the camera and goes looking for Alex. He doesn't seem to have been affected at all by the Operator's presence or even to have noticed it - "Alex! Quit screwing around!" Brian then finds Tim coughing in a corner. The Operator appears and…

Alex's camera stops recording. This isn't unusual in the Operator's presence - sometimes cameras can record it, sometimes they can't. When the camera starts back up Alex is seen dragging an unconscious Brian into another room - and Tim is gone…

What happened while Alex's camera wasn't recording? Just looking at the footage that Alex's camera recorded it looks like Alex is guilty of something - after all he was the only one there after Brian was hurt. But wasn't someone there before Brian was hurt?

Alex didn't take back the camera he had loaned Tim that day - after dragging Brian into another room he immediately picks up his camera and immediately leaves. After this Tim didn't record any more footage and later said he didn't remember what happened to the camera.

So - who was left with the camera?

What footage haven't we seen?

What happened to Brian - and why does Alex say it was Tim's fault?

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Caffeinated Civet wrote:
I was thinking about what Alex meant by "it's all Tim's fault - he left them there." Alex sounds like he only recently found out about Tim's actions - "I thought it was me but it was your fault it happened." "It happened" was during the original filming so there must be some footage that we haven't seen but Alex has seen recently.

There were two sources of footage that we have seen, Alex's and Tim's. Alex recorded footage on at least two cameras, the one he shot most of his home footage on and the camera Seth had. Alex had the last footage that Seth shot before he was "taken" and presumably he saw all of the other footage - it didn't seem like Seth was interested in investigating anything on his own, he was just Alex's cameraman.

So, the footage must have come from Tim's camera. But Jay looked through the tapes that Tim had and he didn't post anything that looked like Tim was guilty of anything and nothing like he "left them there." So we've see all of the footage that was shot right?

Something occurred to me - what happened to the camera that Alex loaned Tim? How many tapes did Tim have the day that Alex attacked him? Tim didn't know how long Alex was planning to be at the hospital that day - he asked Alex whether he was going to do any filming and who knows how long that would take. It would make sense for him to bring several tapes. There wasn't any footage after that day, Jay would have uploaded it.

Wouldn't it make sense for Tim to switch out the tape at least one more time? He seemed determined to film himself in entry 57 and he was awake the next day. We know that cameras like that can record at least three tapes with one battery, entry 38 and the two tapes that make up entry 50 were recorded on the same charge.

What happened to Brian in entry 51? When the Operator appeared Alex disappeared and Brian was left with Alex's camera. Brian takes the camera and goes looking for Alex. He doesn't seem to have been affected at all by the Operator's presence or even to have noticed it - "Alex! Quit screwing around!" Brian then finds Tim coughing in a corner. The Operator appears and…

Alex's camera stops recording. This isn't unusual in the Operator's presence - sometimes cameras can record it, sometimes they can't. When the camera starts back up Alex is seen dragging an unconscious Brian into another room - and Tim is gone…

What happened while Alex's camera wasn't recording? Just looking at the footage that Alex's camera recorded it looks like Alex is guilty of something - after all he was the only one there after Brian was hurt. But wasn't someone there before Brian was hurt?

Alex didn't take back the camera he had loaned Tim that day - after dragging Brian into another room he immediately picks up his camera and immediately leaves. After this Tim didn't record any more footage and later said he didn't remember what happened to the camera.

So - who was left with the camera?

What footage haven't we seen?

What happened to Brian - and why does Alex say it was Tim's fault?


Tim had first contact with TO when he was a kid which lead to the chain of events in this series. Alex is screaming my long held theories Very Happy

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Oh and Brian's dead.


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Alex never blamed Jay for the entire situation in general. He blamed Jay for "getting Jessica involved" ( Rolling Eyes ), and for posting the footage on YouTube, but not for the Operator coming.

I find it interesting that Alex says "I thought it was me". This implies that Alex did actually blame himself at some point, until he learned something about Tim that we don't know. So Alex still does have some capacity for guilt left in his twisted mind, and that whatever he learned about Tim makes him blame him even more than Jay.

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