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Importance of Entry #12
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Triboniophorus Tyrannus
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Importance of Entry #12

Hello folks, first post here. I'm not too familiar with the convention round these parts so I hope this is an appropriate post.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on Entry #12. I always suspected the entry was incredibly important due to it being seemingly the first and only time the whole MH crew see the Operator, and recently finding this quote from Jay on the MH Wiki confirms my belief:

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"Hello Dav. I have been asked this question numerous times already even though entry 12 has only been up for a few hours now. I should have made it more clear within the entry, I apologize.

Anyway, yes, what happens after that clip is VERY important. Unfortunately, the girl operating the camera at the time stopped recording as Alex walked on screen. There was a little bit of time left on the tape (around 4 or 5 minutes) after this clip, but it's blank. I'm not sure if Alex changed tapes early or not, because I have yet to find another tape that "matches" with this clip. It's frustrating to say the least.

Thank you for the question, I will continue searching.

-J."


So, what happened that we couldn't see? And how does this tie into everything we know as of Entry #84? Did Alex purposefully remove something he didn't want us to see? Could this be the origin of his shady dealings alongside the Operator? So many questions!

I could conjure up half baked speculation, but I'm sure some of you more seasoned MH viewers would have better ideas. Either way I hope we're given some closure soon.

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Sha Noran
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I've always felt that what happened immediately after the events seen in Entry 12 are of crucial importance to what exactly doomed the MH crew. I will hope until the end that we get some information along those lines, but as of now speculation is hard given that we know basically nothing about how TO would handle 4-6 people in broad daylight.

This just made me hope Tim kills Alex and finds a tape on his body with an explanation of his motives in the form of what happened to them exactly. Ah, I can dream lol.

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lonsumtravlr
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It's a very weird clip. The distortion is particularly strange. It seems to me as if someone (The Operator? Or, depending on the connection between them, Tim, as he arrives about the time this happens?) is angry. There's the flash and then everything darkens, and then there are a couple of bursts of audio distortion. But, yes, it seems profoundly important to the series.

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knightmare
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It's especially interesting when you consider that the following TTA video contains the message "There was more."

So whomever TTA is (I still believe it's Seth), they know that there was more to that video, and possibly either have that footage or at the very least remember what happened.

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ledzepfilm
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Why do you believe TTA is Seth when Hoody was just confirmed to be Brian?
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TheJoker
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I would be ridiculously happy if it turned out that Trosephim had not only known what happened after Entry 12 since it was first filmed and never changed it even as they planned out the rest of the series, but also filmed a followup way back in 2009 which they've been holding onto ever since. Because that would be beyond unlikely, but so awesome.

I would of course be perfectly happy with a followup filmed at a later date, particularly if they could somehow make Joseph look convincingly like 2006 Alex, but 84 and other recent 2006 entries kinda show that Joseph's changed a little too much to truly look like that again.

Anyway, I personally didn't think too much of Entry 12's importance when I originally watched it, but that YT message made me feel like if there's one hole in the events of 2006 that really should be filled before the series ends, it's that.

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Lithp
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Wait, how does Jay know that it's important if the tape is blank?

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lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:
Wait, how does Jay know that it's important if the tape is blank?


The tape isn't blank. He said that the woman running the camera apparently switched off the camera after asking "What's he doing?" when Alex walked over to ask TO to move. She apparently didn't switch it back on, and it seems--and you don't need the TTA video to conjecture this--that something must have happened afterward. By the point at which Jay views the clip, he's seen enough of the strange tall man with no face to know that something's going on. The problem is that like us, he can only guess, because the camera woman never continued the shoot with the rest of the tape, and there were no more tapes, Jay said, that matched up to that shoot (at least to that point), so it's not a weak guess that something happened to the MH crew and no more was filmed that day.

It's highly unlikely that Alex walked up to TO, heard him say, "Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were shooting a film, I'll try this other trail over here," and then walked back and finished shooting. I think TO's lack of facial features would have been enough to spook him off the shoot for the rest of the day.

But also, it's pretty clear by watching the series throughout that whenever TO's getting ready to do something, he gives that head tilt.

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I'm going to assume what happened to them was sort of what happened to Jay and Tim when they tried to run away and Jay got caught...only they all went down rather quickly and woke up at their houses.

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pestoner
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ledzepfilm wrote:
Why do you believe TTA is Seth when Hoody was just confirmed to be Brian?



maybe because hoody isnt comformed to be totheark?
oh,wait..

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Lithp
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Okay, let me rephrase: How does Jay know that specific chunk of missing time is "very" important?

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But also, it's pretty clear by watching the series throughout that whenever TO's getting ready to do something, he gives that head tilt.


...It is? Wait...The Operator does things?

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lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:
Okay, let me rephrase: How does Jay know that specific chunk of missing time is "very" important?


Well, I obviously can't speak for anyone else's thought processes, but the clip shows Alex going off personally to confront this mysterious figure who had appeared in earlier tapes outside Alex's house, leering close to other filming sights, outside Alex's house on a night he wakes up in a panic, and revealed by Alex's flashlight to be in the distance as Alex flees through the woods at night. All of this footage was posted before the Entry #12 footage. And then in Entry #12, after some peculiar distortion, this figure shows up at the very end of a tape, and the filming ends before Alex gets close to TO. Something had to have happened--it may not have resulted in something dramatic--but it would have been a scene in which TO and Alex interacted in the presence of several witnesses. It's not a leap to suggest that something significant enough occurred, and an opportunity to record it was missed. At the very least, that, I think, is why Jay says in that response that what happens after the filming stops is "very important."

The reason I think that it likely was very significant--even disregarding the TTA reply--is that the distortion is peculiar. There wasn't another example, if I remember properly, of the film's contrast and color being so completely altered for more than a few frames (except for
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the ending of Entry #43
). These change completely, and then there's distortion, and then the shot of TO.

Lithp wrote:
Wait...The Operator does things?


Ha ha. Yeah. Again, I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who's watched the clips posted to YouTube and not the miles of tape that Alex and Jay have shot, but other instances of The Operator making that gesture with his head have preceded someone's memory getting wiped or someone getting abducted. I'm sure spoiler tags may not be needed because anyone reading now is likely pretty involved in the series, but
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TO appears at the end of Entry #23; Jay says all he knows after what happened on the tape is that he woke up at his home the next morning with a broken camera. TO makes the same gesture in Entry #82 when Jay is writhing on the floor of the shack in a seizure; then the camera shows footage from the perspective of someone running through Rosswood Park, and soon thereafter his attitude toward Tim had changed. In Entry #80, TO makes the same head tilt to look at Jay right before reaching out and abducting him. I believe there are a couple of other instances of this--possibly in Entry #64 or #65, right before Tim is taken.


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I'm thinking the reason Alex gets so angry with Seth for stopping the tape in Entry #9 may be because of Entry #12. I bet everyone's memories were erased after whatever the Operator does to them in 12; no one can remember anything, but Alex, who is watching the tapes and has seen the distortion and the weird tall guy, knows something crazy happened and this is when he begins to get super paranoid about filming everything. This may be the very first Operator "attack"-- before this he may not have even done anything to Alex, the way he walks casually toward the Operator. Anything Alex can remember anyway.

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420Goku
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I remember around when this entry first came out some people on this forum were saying that it could be that no one else on the set could actually see TO and when the girl says "what's he doing" she's saying that about Alex because he's yelling at thin air to everyone else. Interesting theory, I'm not sure if we have any evidence that TO can appear to one person and not to others.

Also TO shows up in this entry when Tim arrives.

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ledzepfilm wrote:
Why do you believe TTA is Seth when Hoody was just confirmed to be Brian?


I think the fact that TTA is obviously skilled at video editing and had access to MH footage points to it being Seth. I don't believe Hoody = TTA, I think they work together as a team (Like Jay/Jessica, Jay/Tim, Alex/TO.) It makes sense to me, because in Entry ##### it says "WE will wait for you no more."

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