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THAC's Future new Horror/Mystery series discussion
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SilentMedusa
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 		Now that I think of it, it's possible they could do another web-based horror without resorting to creepy pasta. What if they went with something from the Fear Mythos?

One of the key concepts there is that there is now real 'wrong' way to portray the Fears. Just kind of a general concept; otherwise you're free to do as you please.

And there's a lot to choose from. Concepts of body horror, madness, loss of memory/identity, isolation, stalking,etc. You name it, there's a Fear for it.

I'll admit, I'd kind of like to see them do something with the Plague Doctor, just because I think Joseph would make an amazing Oathbreaker Mr. Green .

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PieAvenger
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 		The trio really get me fired up Very Happy I'm so excited to see their future works! For their new horror/mystery series, I wonder if they'll be using themselves as the actors again?

Lithp wrote:
I guess, if I had to propose a rule of thumb, then about 1/3 of the content should be plot. It doesn't have to be a 3rd of every Entry, but we shouldn't have, for instance, a 9 1/2 minute monologue that has fuck-all to do with anything just to say, "Brian is Hoody!"


Entry 84 was not all that bad content-wise Wink
It just has sparse tidbits of information.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

0:24-0:31
-R.I.P. chest camera 2010-2014 Crying or Very sad
Tim will have to use Jay's camcorder now, leaving only one hand free. Possible tension will occur from this.

1:00-1:13
-Tim's house is back to normal - Jay, the papers, and the writing on the mirror.
Parallel world confirmed. Is it the Ark?

2:20-2:57
-Nobody came to Alex's auditions except for Brian, who brought Tim.
One could say that Brian was a spectacularly good friend to Alex. So if there was no tension between them, why did Brian try many times to kill him?

3:25-3:32
-Brian is Hoody (most of us guessed it very early on back!)
Makes you wonder how someone who is extremely nice and fun-loving would turn into someone like Hoody? Question

5:26-5:55
-Brian and Tim really were good friends.
Makes sense that they would work together to harm Alex as well. I suspect, by the way Brian looks at Tim, that Brian is a less attached friend than Tim. Due to Tim's history, this may very well be true. Brian also seems to call the shots, which is exactly how their relationship is later on as the masked pair.

6:55
-Watch very carefully. There is a distortion at the bottom of the screen, much like in Season 1. Then there is, what seems to be, a large cut in Tim's audition. Shocked
This is possibly the absolute first moment of distortion or video-wreckage caused by the Operator. And it just so happens that Tim is on camera when it happens. Remember Entry 26? The Operator appears in Amy's house after the camera catches sight of Alex.

8:22-8:40
-The first ever, absolute first Operator encounter everrr! Laughing And it just so happens that Alex watched this entry too.

So overall, with Entry 84:

-We can conclude that Tim's last "secret" (totheark's Null) is possibly related to bringing the Operator into Alex's life.
-Hoody was indeed Brian, but Hoody's intentions were very unfitting for someone like Brian. Just like how Jay went from apologetic to murderous in a day against Tim...

Without Entry 84:

-There would be less of a premise if Tim's secrets were to be revealed in Entry 86 and beyond. We would be like "Whoa, where'd that come from!?"
-Alex would have less reason to believe that the Operator was Tim's fault. And as a result, Entry 85 would be a bit confusing.


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 		Not sure if it was said or not, but fillers are not as pointless as people believe. Fillers have gained a negative connotation due to anime studios and other television shows that develop a "filler" series because the writers cannot produce material quick enough.

A real filler would be an episode after something big has happened and the event is either explained, cooled down, or allows for characters to develop as well as the story.

Think about if you had a huge twist or surprise every single entry/episode/whatever. You'd become desensitized by the end of the series you are currently watching. In that way, a filler is useful to keep us from becoming desensitized and to keep a series vibrant.

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Ristar
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JAL13 wrote:
Not sure if it was said or not, but fillers are not as pointless as people believe. Fillers have gained a negative connotation due to anime studios and other television shows that develop a "filler" series because the writers cannot produce material quick enough.

A real filler would be an episode after something big has happened and the event is either explained, cooled down, or allows for characters to develop as well as the story.

Think about if you had a huge twist or surprise every single entry/episode/whatever. You'd become desensitized by the end of the series you are currently watching. In that way, a filler is useful to keep us from becoming desensitized and to keep a series vibrant.


Filler is considered those moments where the plot seems to stall a little bit for minor details, like side-stories that don't come up to play later in the game, things that could be said in little amount of time but characters seems to roll around the point for quite some time (I.E Entry #59 i think, where they agree to work together, pointless scenes that could be taken out of the episode and nothing would be lost. Basicly anything that makes the viewer feel like a waste of time. This doesn't apply to all cases though, in the entry i previously mentioned, we could see that Tim and Jay were going to work together but they weren't happy about it, many of us saw this as filler, given how much time we waited for that entry, although it was necesary, the amount of time made it feel like filler.

What i'm getting into is that, sometimes filler is good, it is good to have some plot exposition or an episode where they just do something that isn't plot related to give the viewer a break or some laughs, but this only works if everything and all the episodes are done beforehand, it really comes out evident that they needed more time for new content and they throw you a hollow bone

TL;DR: You have a good point, there is good filler and there is bad filler. And it's really hard to pull that off without the audience hating it

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The7kproductions
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 		You have to understand that it is important to develop both the plot (events and goals) AND the story(the characters and what they feel).Entries like 84 need time for you to know the characters and how they relate to each other as well as build atmosphere.A story with out "filler" is a story with out a soul.

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Lithp
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The7kproductions wrote:
You have to understand that it is important to develop both the plot (events and goals) AND the story(the characters and what they feel).Entries like 84 need time for you to know the characters and how they relate to each other as well as build atmosphere.A story with out "filler" is a story with out a soul.


The reason why I didn't mention it is because I am trying to argue against an annoyingly persistent straw man about the filler complaints. I didn't really have time to go off in a tangent about good filler vs. bad filler, & it would have distracted from a point that people already refuse to listen to.

But since we bring up the subject, Entry 84 is still a bore. We've seen enough of Brian to know how he acts. If the point was to contrast how Brian acted before & after Hoody, we don't need an Entry for that, because an engaged audience will do that automatically. If it was "downtime," I don't see how useful 10 minutes of downtime before another action scene really is. It just seems like Mood Whiplash. With the length of the typical Entry, & ignoring Entries that have mixed content for the sake of a simple explanation, it would make more sense to do something like ACTION-ACTION-DOWNTIME-DOWNTIME-DOWNTIME-ACTION-ACTION-DOWNTIME-DOWNTIME. And was it supposed to be funny? Somber? I don't know, to me, it was just a guy reading off of a script.

This, incidentally, is another thing that I think they could use work with: Making the points of their scenes clearer. It's like Alex's scary story, people think that it's supposed to tell the origin of The Operator because that's what it sounds like.

Another factor is that the point of Marble Hornets is supposed to be that they're only showing relevant discoveries. If they've abandoned that, I haven't heard, & it still feels too disjointed to be a typical "movie." So, you know, pick a route & go with it.

Other things that could have been done to make it interesting would be to shave some time off, especially of Brian's audition, or make it a conversation instead of Brian reading off of a script.

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leadmetodeath
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Lithp wrote:
The7kproductions wrote:
You have to understand that it is important to develop both the plot (events and goals) AND the story(the characters and what they feel).Entries like 84 need time for you to know the characters and how they relate to each other as well as build atmosphere.A story with out "filler" is a story with out a soul.


The reason why I didn't mention it is because I am trying to argue against an annoyingly persistent straw man about the filler complaints. I didn't really have time to go off in a tangent about good filler vs. bad filler, & it would have distracted from a point that people already refuse to listen to.

But since we bring up the subject, Entry 84 is still a bore. We've seen enough of Brian to know how he acts. If the point was to contrast how Brian acted before & after Hoody, we don't need an Entry for that, because an engaged audience will do that automatically. If it was "downtime," I don't see how useful 10 minutes of downtime before another action scene really is. It just seems like Mood Whiplash. With the length of the typical Entry, & ignoring Entries that have mixed content for the sake of a simple explanation, it would make more sense to do something like ACTION-ACTION-DOWNTIME-DOWNTIME-DOWNTIME-ACTION-ACTION-DOWNTIME-DOWNTIME. And was it supposed to be funny? Somber? I don't know, to me, it was just a guy reading off of a script.

This, incidentally, is another thing that I think they could use work with: Making the points of their scenes clearer. It's like Alex's scary story, people think that it's supposed to tell the origin of The Operator because that's what it sounds like.

Another factor is that the point of Marble Hornets is supposed to be that they're only showing relevant discoveries. If they've abandoned that, I haven't heard, & it still feels too disjointed to be a typical "movie." So, you know, pick a route & go with it.

Other things that could have been done to make it interesting would be to shave some time off, especially of Brian's audition, or make it a conversation instead of Brian reading off of a script.


It's weird for me to say this, but I think the script is very important. We have seen in the trailer how much the movie was relate with most of everyone in the MH universe. Tim mention mask, Brian wear hoodie and tell his sadness. I felt we could know Brian motive from the script. I pretty sure they were try to show us that.

And beside, if they only make Brian conversation with him without audition and just skip to Tim's audition, it will feel so weird and unrealistic.

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And beside, if they only make Brian conversation with him without audition and just skip to Tim's audition, it will feel so weird and unrealistic.


No...as in don't bother showing the auditions at all. Or cut Brian's, just like Tim's was cut. Or was it Brian's that was cut & Tim's that wasn't? I don't remember like anything that went on in that video.

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Lithp wrote:
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And beside, if they only make Brian conversation with him without audition and just skip to Tim's audition, it will feel so weird and unrealistic.


No...as in don't bother showing the auditions at all. Or cut Brian's, just like Tim's was cut. Or was it Brian's that was cut & Tim's that wasn't? I don't remember like anything that went on in that video.


Alex set the camera, wait for somebody for audition, Brian and Tim show up. Now one of the important part. Brian do the audition and the camera didn't froze at all. But when it was Tim audition, the camera froze to the most of his audition. They left Alex behind, and when Alex is in way home, he try his camera and wonder why it was broken.

Everything about this is important and I never see it as filler.

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Lithp
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leadmetodeath wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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And beside, if they only make Brian conversation with him without audition and just skip to Tim's audition, it will feel so weird and unrealistic.


No...as in don't bother showing the auditions at all. Or cut Brian's, just like Tim's was cut. Or was it Brian's that was cut & Tim's that wasn't? I don't remember like anything that went on in that video.


Alex set the camera, wait for somebody for audition, Brian and Tim show up. Now one of the important part. Brian do the audition and the camera didn't froze at all. But when it was Tim audition, the camera froze to the most of his audition. They left Alex behind, and when Alex is in way home, he try his camera and wonder why it was broken.

Everything about this is important and I never see it as filler.


There's nothing "important" about that, we already knew that Tim was the first victim & that The Operator doesn't start stalking Alex until he starts working on Marble Hornets, meaning that he would have had little, if any involvement in a video about the audition.

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Jordan
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 		Shame we probably won't see any of the Marble Hornets regulars in the new series, although it would probably cut the tension a bit if they did.

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Lithp wrote:
leadmetodeath wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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And beside, if they only make Brian conversation with him without audition and just skip to Tim's audition, it will feel so weird and unrealistic.


No...as in don't bother showing the auditions at all. Or cut Brian's, just like Tim's was cut. Or was it Brian's that was cut & Tim's that wasn't? I don't remember like anything that went on in that video.


Alex set the camera, wait for somebody for audition, Brian and Tim show up. Now one of the important part. Brian do the audition and the camera didn't froze at all. But when it was Tim audition, the camera froze to the most of his audition. They left Alex behind, and when Alex is in way home, he try his camera and wonder why it was broken.

Everything about this is important and I never see it as filler.


There's nothing "important" about that, we already knew that Tim was the first victim & that The Operator doesn't start stalking Alex until he starts working on Marble Hornets, meaning that he would have had little, if any involvement in a video about the audition.




I still think the script is important. But if there's other important thing about this entry that important, it would be that the possibility Brian set this up. This one just a theory but it have to spill it out.

I'm sorry for not remember if Brian, Alex, and Tim in same collage or not. Brian has already know Alex before the audition but Tim doesn't. It would help Brian to get easier approach for 3 of them. Brian go to Alex audition with Tim where he can do it without Tim. Why choose that day when he was with Tim? If Brian that has meet Tim so much longer didn't get stalk by TO at all, why Alex that only meet Tim once get stalked by TO? Because it requires three of them to make TO come back again. That's why when Tim is not on camera nothing is happen until he is on the camera.

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 		I want something new and refreshing, I want something way different than MH but at the same time keeping on the ARG features and making them more dominant. It'd be really cool if we could play and partake in this. It would be cool if the centre stage for this was online, and pieces were filmed as support, to reverse the way MH was presented to us where the action took place in real locations but had to be recorded and documented in order to support them. They fact that THAC manipulated social media with MH was key to their success with it, and if they use that approach a second time I wouldn't see why this wouldn't do well.

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Cyan507 wrote:
I want something new and refreshing, I want something way different than MH but at the same time keeping on the ARG features and making them more dominant. It'd be really cool if we could play and partake in this. It would be cool if the centre stage for this was online, and pieces were filmed as support, to reverse the way MH was presented to us where the action took place in real locations but had to be recorded and documented in order to support them. They fact that THAC manipulated social media with MH was key to their success with it, and if they use that approach a second time I wouldn't see why this wouldn't do well.


I entirely agree. However I was very surprised when they confirmed their next project would be another horror series. Considering that several times they have talked about how they don't want to be typecast and how important comedy is to them. Also in one podcast Troy mentions that writing for MH is monotonous (he said something about the recurring darkness and creepy scenarios getting old).

I wish them success anyway.

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