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lonsumtravlr
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TheJoker wrote:
Yeah, a musical score could be fun. In general, not being found footage would give it the ability to have a stronger structure in some places.


As someone who detests non-digetic music at least 87.5% of the time (basically, any time it's not in a Wes Anderson or Wong Kar-Wai movie), I'd hate to see a score but would love to hear music that emanates from the scene, even if on TV or whatever. Getting the rights can be wicked expensive, though.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Yeah, a musical score could be fun. In general, not being found footage would give it the ability to have a stronger structure in some places.


As someone who detests non-digetic music at least 87.5% of the time (basically, any time it's not in a Wes Anderson or Wong Kar-Wai movie), I'd hate to see a score but would love to hear music that emanates from the scene, even if on TV or whatever. Getting the rights can be wicked expensive, though.


I always thought that EverymanHYBRID found some clever ways to implement music without taking out the horror or breaking genre.

It's funny, I actually would like some kind of "Marble Hornets music." Like someone said, the distortion is almost there, but not quite.

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Lithp wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Yeah, a musical score could be fun. In general, not being found footage would give it the ability to have a stronger structure in some places.


As someone who detests non-digetic music at least 87.5% of the time (basically, any time it's not in a Wes Anderson or Wong Kar-Wai movie), I'd hate to see a score but would love to hear music that emanates from the scene, even if on TV or whatever. Getting the rights can be wicked expensive, though.


I always thought that EverymanHYBRID found some clever ways to implement music without taking out the horror or breaking genre.

It's funny, I actually would like some kind of "Marble Hornets music." Like someone said, the distortion is almost there, but not quite.


There could have been some types of distortion that blended into some music composed specifically for the series. At least two of the trio are musical.

Personally, I find most scores and soundtracks melodramatic (the few exceptions are films like Rushmore, which had a damn near perfect soundtrack). But if there were something that could be playing in the background (even a fuckin' car radio or satellite radio or someone's iTunes--something) that could have humanized some of the elements that draw criticism (the "WHY do they DRIVE and DRIVE and DRIVE and NOT discuss The OPERATOR?" would maybe not have attracted so much attention if Tim and Jay were rockin' out on occasion).

Or maybe Jessica coulda been an aspiring folksinger, I dunno. It's not my series.

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Lithp wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Yeah, a musical score could be fun. In general, not being found footage would give it the ability to have a stronger structure in some places.


As someone who detests non-digetic music at least 87.5% of the time (basically, any time it's not in a Wes Anderson or Wong Kar-Wai movie), I'd hate to see a score but would love to hear music that emanates from the scene, even if on TV or whatever. Getting the rights can be wicked expensive, though.


I always thought that EverymanHYBRID found some clever ways to implement music without taking out the horror or breaking genre.

It's funny, I actually would like some kind of "Marble Hornets music." Like someone said, the distortion is almost there, but not quite.


EMH did a pretty good job with music, yeah. I didn't like all the Sinatra, though. Nothing against Frank--it sorta took me back to the early nineties, when Sinatra and Tony Bennett and a lot of jazz singers were big with the young'uns. I love that music, but it sorta dated the series for me. Hard to explain, I guess. But also, I've posted before that I've always felt that one of Evan's inspirations in creating HABIT was Dennis Hopper as Frank Booth in Blue Velvet, and Frank loved his Roy Orbison the way HABIT loves his Sinatra. But the use of Roy in Blue Velvet is campy at first but becomes frightening as the movie progresses. That one entry of EMH--I forget the title--where HABIT takes on all those... I don't know what they are... and sets the account to "That's Life"... I thought that was kinda cheesy, though I liked the entry.

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 		So since the reddit AMA is done we should probably gather what we know about the series so far.

- The series will likely appear on the Marble Hornets channel.

- The story in the words of Joseph "May very well take place in the same universe as Marble Hornets but will not center around The Operator."

- It will be an original story, and will not draw an any existing mythos or creepypasta.

- It is not a sequel.

- Will likely start production well after the Season 3 DVDs have been shipped.

Speculation tiem.
My guess is the term "Original story" could have been a play on words by Troy to mean Original story. I'm probably looking far too into it but bear in mind this is the guy who made the tta videos. Also bear in mind it's not a sequel, there aren't too many other possibilities then that.

If the series is going to appear on the MH channel then we're probably due another found footage series. Which is fine although I was hoping for a different approach, they could still surprise us though.

A reddit user asked if uploading to the MH channel with a new project would make sense to the MH immersion, Joseph's only response was "Just wait and see."

This may be completely unconnected but they did say several times that Skully may still be out there. And while they never used his character he does exist in the MH universe. If they wanted to loosely tie this to MH they could use that character. Little has been done with the character so I'd say they could use him.

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 		Personally, I think what he meant was "it doesn't obviously contradict Marble Hornets, so if you want to think that it's in the same universe, go ahead." Similar thing for Skully.

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Lithp wrote:
Personally, I think what he meant was "it doesn't obviously contradict Marble Hornets, so if you want to think that it's in the same universe, go ahead." Similar thing for Skully.


Got that feeling too, but they're being very vague about certain things.

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Lithp wrote:

...we shouldn't have, for instance, a 9 1/2 minute monologue that has fuck-all to do with anything just to say, "Brian is Hoody!"



#84 might've had little plot advancement, but it had some good fleshing out of characters, adding higher emotional investment for the final conflict. If anything, more moments like this were necessary, in my opinion. Establishing the characters in a 'normal' setting is really important in a horror series.

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The Spirit of Christmas wrote:
Lithp wrote:

...we shouldn't have, for instance, a 9 1/2 minute monologue that has fuck-all to do with anything just to say, "Brian is Hoody!"



#84 might've had little plot advancement, but it had some good fleshing out of characters, adding higher emotional investment for the final conflict. If anything, more moments like this were necessary, in my opinion. Establishing the characters in a 'normal' setting is really important in a horror series.


Yes, but they need to be properly placed, paced, & above all, still interesting. If there are people who aren't really emotionally invested in Brian's character, after he's dead is a bad time to try to convince them.

Additionally, Brian had a lot of videos showing his pre-Operator personality, but not enough (any) showing how his personality developed into Hoody's.*

As for Tim, seeing how he reacted to Brian's death would have had more of an impact.

*=Didn't we see Brian shivering in the abandoned hospital once? Was this supposed to be the seizure that started it all?

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Got that feeling too, but they're being very vague about certain things.


That's the thing, it's become very hard to tell whether or not they're avoiding a question or just "giving answers that aren't so obvious."

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*=Didn't we see Brian shivering in the abandoned hospital once? Was this supposed to be the seizure that started it all?


I thought that was Tim, right before the Operator got them, is that a different scene?

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That's the thing, it's become very hard to tell whether or not they're avoiding a question or just "giving answers that aren't so obvious."


They are probably doing the right thing.

It is clear that the ToTheArk videos were just them having fun and making some crazy looking videos. They didn't have a plan beyond providing a way for one of their friends to be in the series.

If they started making up answers now it would just be bullshitting.

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 		I don't know.

But if the premise is that there was no real significance to a lot of this stuff & they're saying that they "put answers in, they just weren't obvious," then they would already be bullshitting.

If they started making up answers that actually made sense, it wouldn't absolve the series of all of its flaws, but I would appreciate having answers that actually make sense. It doesn't need to have all been planned from the very beginning, though making them up at the end would be a stretch.

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Lithp wrote:
I don't know.

But if the premise is that there was no real significance to a lot of this stuff & they're saying that they "put answers in, they just weren't obvious," then they would already be bullshitting.

If they started making up answers that actually made sense, it wouldn't absolve the series of all of its flaws, but I would appreciate having answers that actually make sense. It doesn't need to have all been planned from the very beginning, though making them up at the end would be a stretch.


But, Lithp, do you (this is actually meant to be rhetorical and not a personal slam--this is the "royal," "philosophical" you) take everything that they said in that reddit Q & A literally? If so, you get some stuff that seems to contradict some other stuff, and then also what Troy thinks are go-to pizza toppings (and I'm not sure how much I can continue to respect any director who puts mushroom in his go-to list). Yes, they seemed to be "bullshitting," but in the sense of just having fun with the damn thing trying to anticipate how many people would ask them why they "pulled a LOST" or whatever. I'm not saying never take what an artist says about his or her work to have any validity, but I saw them being evasive not because they had nothing to say and to fall back on a BS answer to cover their asses. I saw them doing so because they just didn't want to give a straight answer.

For the record, I do think they did put answers in and they weren't obvious. But I've been saying for a while that a lot more of the story of the series has been conveyed (not always as well as the trio may have hoped, granted) visually and without regard for conventional plot.

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 		For what it's worth, I personally think doing a Q&A and not giving straight answers is kind of a dick move. What's the point, except to mess with viewers? And since they had to know some viewers already felt messed with... Yeah, I can see why it would bother folks.

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Lithp wrote:
Additionally, Brian had a lot of videos showing his pre-Operator personality, but not enough (any) showing how his personality developed into Hoody's.*

As for Tim, seeing how he reacted to Brian's death would have had more of an impact.

This is all so true. We only ever see normal Brian and just straight up Hoody. We never see Brian transitioning into insanity, or a de-masked and alive Brian/Hoody. It's all so glossed over and ambiguous. I almost suspect they didn't want show things like that for OOG reasons.

And I agree on how seeing Tim's reaction would have had a good impact. The whole Brian/Hoody reveal was so low-key and underplayed. I don't understand why it had to be that way. It's like having a big itch that you really want scratched so you'll be satisfied, but the person doing the scratching keeps scratching just around the itch. And then finally, with enough time passed, the itch eventually goes away on it's own without ever having the satisfaction of having it scratched directly. That's exactly what it was like for me.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I don't know.

But if the premise is that there was no real significance to a lot of this stuff & they're saying that they "put answers in, they just weren't obvious," then they would already be bullshitting.

If they started making up answers that actually made sense, it wouldn't absolve the series of all of its flaws, but I would appreciate having answers that actually make sense. It doesn't need to have all been planned from the very beginning, though making them up at the end would be a stretch.


But, Lithp, do you (this is actually meant to be rhetorical and not a personal slam--this is the "royal," "philosophical" you) take everything that they said in that reddit Q & A literally? If so, you get some stuff that seems to contradict some other stuff, and then also what Troy thinks are go-to pizza toppings (and I'm not sure how much I can continue to respect any director who puts mushroom in his go-to list). Yes, they seemed to be "bullshitting," but in the sense of just having fun with the damn thing trying to anticipate how many people would ask them why they "pulled a LOST" or whatever. I'm not saying never take what an artist says about his or her work to have any validity, but I saw them being evasive not because they had nothing to say and to fall back on a BS answer to cover their asses. I saw them doing so because they just didn't want to give a straight answer.

For the record, I do think they did put answers in and they weren't obvious. But I've been saying for a while that a lot more of the story of the series has been conveyed (not always as well as the trio may have hoped, granted) visually and without regard for conventional plot.


Well, SilentMedusa covered the Q&A thing. I wouldn't have chosen the term "dick move," but yeah, the Hell's the point of an FAQ that doesn't answer questions?

I'm sure that they think they've "put in answers that weren't obvious," but it's become abundantly clear that "not obvious" means "too vague to be discerned from simple fan speculation." Talk is cheap, I'm waiting for the day that someone can actually come up with these answers, prove that they're the "official interpretation," & do so without the trio's help.

But even on that day, I don't think I'll be that impressed. I don't think the plot is complex enough to warrant this kind of attention to detail.

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