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 		I have a feeling that it'll elaborate on the town and the surrounding area's history, in particular why everything is so lifeless.

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 		I really hope they just take a completely new direction. By the sound of it, they were pretty sick of Marble Hornets by the time they finished it, so I don't see much chance of them doing something in a similar vain, and especially not in the same continuity.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they do without the burden of found footage, and with a plot in mind from the outset. I like Marble Hornets, but that's probably largely out of loyalty.. it had its highs and lows. THAC are definitely capable of making a much stronger series at this point, I feel.

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Lithp wrote:
Well, SilentMedusa covered the Q&A thing. I wouldn't have chosen the term "dick move," but yeah, the Hell's the point of an FAQ that doesn't answer questions?


It's just something authors and artists do. They often have a mix of desire or love to connect with fans and disdain for criticism--with some ego-stoking and often contractual obligation thrown in. I saw Wes Anderson do a Q & A after a screening of one of his movies in Cambridge (MA), once, and when questions were about the tech stuff or about his suits or whatever, he loved them, but make an observation about the fact that his movies have a character immersed in water and ask for an explanation, and he prevaricated and obfuscated every way he could for about four minutes before giving an answer.

Missed the trio's favorite David Lynch, sadly, the year before (which I had heard was a fantastic Q & A), but he was supposed to have been hit-or-miss at many events, not because he hated talking with and meeting people but because he hated the contractural obligation to do the film equivalent of a book tour, where people queue up and bring the book (or DVD) and get it signed without any real meaningful discussion.

The trio, though, seems to love love love conventions and internet shit. I don't agree with MarbleHornets that some of their comments on the reddit Q & A were "assholish" (I think was the word), but they seemed to love having a sizable group of people asking all sorts of questions. (Troy ending every answer with Razz or :/ didn't help, though.)

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I'm sure that they think they've "put in answers that weren't obvious," but it's become abundantly clear that "not obvious" means "too vague to be discerned from simple fan speculation." Talk is cheap, I'm waiting for the day that someone can actually come up with these answers, prove that they're the "official interpretation," & do so without the trio's help.


Asking for the official interpretation is a bit much, though, don't you think? Who says there is One Interpretation? I agree that recourse to the "it's in the images" answer, just like talk of "surrealism" among some artists who are just weird for the sake of weird, is a cop-out after a point even if it's wholly based in fact (for one, it's fuckin' aggravating). But, they might very well have some different perspectives on particular points, even though the general arc and the characters came from Troy and Joseph and later Tim.

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But even on that day, I don't think I'll be that impressed. I don't think the plot is complex enough to warrant this kind of attention to detail.


You may be right about the plot's complexity, but I think it might just be that they originally had something bigger in mind, realized halfway through it wouldn't work out, had to bring it in for a landing.

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It's just something authors and artists do. They often have a mix of desire or love to connect with fans and disdain for criticism--with some ego-stoking and often contractual obligation thrown in.


I can empathize to a certain degree. There are criticisms that I want to hear & ones that really piss me off, & it really has nothing to do with their positivity or negativity.

But when it comes to continuity, not so much. I want to have everything explained as much as possible, even if that explanation is something that nobody would find out about unless asked.

With some caveats, of course. I wouldn't say anything that spoils an ongoing plot line. But if there is something that I don't intend to explain, I'm pretty up front that it will probably never be explained & people shouldn't hold out hope.

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The trio, though, seems to love love love conventions and internet shit. I don't agree with MarbleHornets that some of their comments on the reddit Q & A were "assholish" (I think was the word), but they seemed to love having a sizable group of people asking all sorts of questions. (Troy ending every answer with Razz or :/ didn't help, though.)


It's really hard to comment on what Marble Hornets is saying because I don't agree & yet at the same time I kind of do. Like skipping over serious questions to answer jokes is aggravating as fuck, but it's also what made participating fun & not feel like soulless drudgery.
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Asking for the official interpretation is a bit much, though, don't you think? Who says there is One Interpretation?


Tim: http://www.reddit.com/r/marblehornets/comments/2b2pmf/were_troy_wagner_joseph_delage_and_tim_sutton_we/cj1b6my

Anyway, I'm not really fond of interpreting plots. I've commented several times to the effect that it feels like writing fanfiction, only actually believing the fanfiction is canon.

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You may be right about the plot's complexity, but I think it might just be that they originally had something bigger in mind, realized halfway through it wouldn't work out, had to bring it in for a landing.


Maybe. If the Operatorverse is really a thing, I can see how an Entry set inside of it, while badass on paper, would be hard to pull off well. So if that was ever going to be "The Ark," it's sort of understandable why it didn't materialize.

They also somewhat implied having to write around a lot of disappearing actors. But they also somewhat implied that they were never planned to have big parts anyway. Which would make sense, they're picking up volunteers, they don't have contracts or anything, giving a big part to a complete stranger who doesn't have some theater credentials is probably a bad idea.

Still, I definitely think the major things, like Totheark's backstory, shouldn't have been affected by this. Or at least not affected to this degree.

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Lithp wrote:
I can empathize to a certain degree. There are criticisms that I want to hear & ones that really piss me off, & it really has nothing to do with their positivity or negativity.

But when it comes to continuity, not so much. I want to have everything explained as much as possible, even if that explanation is something that nobody would find out about unless asked.

With some caveats, of course. I wouldn't say anything that spoils an ongoing plot line. But if there is something that I don't intend to explain, I'm pretty up front that it will probably never be explained & people shouldn't hold out hope.


Yeah, I think even a lot of us defending the series, or much of it, can agree. I take everything coming out of the Word Of God with several grains of salt, and I expect Word Of God to be like a parable or koan, and that I'm supposed to work for the significance, and that it will have so little payoff that I'd rather just watch Louis CK clips on YouTube.

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It's really hard to comment on what Marble Hornets is saying because I don't agree & yet at the same time I kind of do. Like skipping over serious questions to answer jokes is aggravating as fuck, but it's also what made participating fun & not feel like soulless drudgery.


MarbleHornets makes some good points. I rarely agree completely with him, but I can't negate the validity of his good points, and I won't.

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Maybe. If the Operatorverse is really a thing, I can see how an Entry set inside of it, while badass on paper, would be hard to pull off well. So if that was ever going to be "The Ark," it's sort of understandable why it didn't materialize.

They also somewhat implied having to write around a lot of disappearing actors. But they also somewhat implied that they were never planned to have big parts anyway. Which would make sense, they're picking up volunteers, they don't have contracts or anything, giving a big part to a complete stranger who doesn't have some theater credentials is probably a bad idea.

Still, I definitely think the major things, like Totheark's backstory, shouldn't have been affected by this. Or at least not affected to this degree.


I have some sense that the trio's work on Slender: The Arrival may have led to some rights squabbling between them and the studio, and that the studio went imperial on them and called dibs on some things that they may have planned to use in Marble Hornets. And that shit can impair your story. Moreso than the actors of minor-but-no-still-important-but-minor characters scattering across the continent. Troy's comment (I think it was from Troy) about how he didn't want to or shouldn't speak too much about their experience seems to me to be trying to sidestep a much more unpleasant reality than being grumpy and pissy because no one liked your Big Ideas. This might be another reason they just wanted to end it and move on.

Whatever they do next, I really hope they can bring Brian back for a few scenes. Not only is he a fantastic actor at least at Tim's level. He seems to bring out good performances from everyone. Especially Joseph--Entry #51 worked in large part because there's a natural rapport between them that carried over into the filming, and it really heightened the tension when whatever happened that caused Alex to go missing and resulted in Brian wandering around the hospital with the camera.

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 		I'd be surprised if that was the case, just because of how much Marble Hornets resembled Slender in the end. As for dodging the question, all I can really say is that something that Blue Isle was doing seemed to irritate him, like they were strong-arming them & Parsec in some way.

I wish he could say more, because that's really intriguing.

I do hope to see more Brian. Such a delightful dark horse. If she's interested, I wouldn't mind seeing Jessica return, but I don't know if they want this to be all "Marble Hornets Reunion." I'm also kind of hoping that they can get new, more dedicated actors, because that could really help them.

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Lithp wrote:
I'd be surprised if that was the case, just because of how much Marble Hornets resembled Slender in the end. As for dodging the question, all I can really say is that something that Blue Isle was doing seemed to irritate him, like they were strong-arming them & Parsec in some way.

I wish he could say more, because that's really intriguing.

I do hope to see more Brian. Such a delightful dark horse. If she's interested, I wouldn't mind seeing Jessica return, but I don't know if they want this to be all "Marble Hornets Reunion." I'm also kind of hoping that they can get new, more dedicated actors, because that could really help them.


Yeah, I've done a 180 on her work, as she's grown on me. I guess she seemed at times to be too much a theatre actress and not enough of a movie actress (there are differences in style of performance). But she's good, and I wouldn't mind seeing her again. But, an MH reunion... yeah... that would not be a good idea.

Apparently they had to film almost all of her scenes early because she was going to England on some sort of theatre fellowship... I forget where I read Troy saying that.

The only MH character I've ever seen act in someone else's work is Tim. He was in a small student film late last year that was part of a nationwide college competition. He and the female lead who acted with him were both great.

I'd actually love to see a Brian/Hoody versus Craig Digsby Nature Break--but I'd also love to see it as an extended short.

I still wouldn't be surprised if Troy et al. had to fight over creative control with Blue Isle and that it somehow affected Marble Hornets, despite the similarities you say there are. Publishers are marrow leeches. Take it from someone with a decade in the field (though not in game publishing). They want to own everything.

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Apparently they had to film almost all of her scenes early because she was going to England on some sort of theatre fellowship... I forget where I read Troy saying that.


Something like that, yeah.

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I'd actually love to see a Brian/Hoody versus Craig Digsby Nature Break--but I'd also love to see it as an extended short.


I've never seen Nature Break, but I can already tell that this would be awesome, someone pitch this idea to them.

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I still wouldn't be surprised if Troy et al. had to fight over creative control with Blue Isle and that it somehow affected Marble Hornets, despite the similarities you say there are.


Well, there's the friend that got warped by Slenderman & is trying to kill you while wearing a mask & hoody, you explore her house looking for her to find that it's all messed up, some other characters who try to "kill everyone involved so that it can't spread," the creepy drawings, of course the distortion....

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Publishers are marrow leeches. Take it from someone with a decade in the field (though not in game publishing). They want to own everything


Well, that's not surprising.

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 		Nature Break is this THAC series of PBS-like shorts in which a purported expert named Craig Digsby (played by Troy) provides a stimulating (and wrong) "fact" about the natural world. Fuck a MH/TribeTwelve or MH/EMH crossover. This is the crossover that must be.

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Lithp wrote:
Well, there's the friend that got warped by Slenderman & is trying to kill you while wearing a mask & hoody, you explore her house looking for her to find that it's all messed up, some other characters who try to "kill everyone involved so that it can't spread," the creepy drawings, of course the distortion...


I could honestly see Blue Isle trying to restrict the trio's capacity to continue to use some of these, or at least trying to put some sort of restrictions on how the further arcs would develop. Once those rights get signed over, you can lose the ability to change or develop your own work.

I'm not saying that the studio DID this--I have no idea what happened at all. I'm just curious about what did happen. This seems to me like something more than "they didn't use much of what we wrote and that's shit" bellyaching on the trio's part.

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 		Oh, I think there's at least a little more to it than that. Whatever faults they have, they don't get bent out of shape very easily.

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Oh, I think there's at least a little more to it than that. Whatever faults they have, they don't get bent out of shape very easily.


Knew I'd seen it somewhere. Troy wrote this on his tumblr a while back.

[If] we ever wrote for a game again, it'd be for something we were either in charge of or something we actually had some amount of creative control over. Especially after the nightmare that was working for Blue Isle* on Slender: The Arrival.
(*Besides Mark Hadley. He's a good guy.)



So SOMEthing happened... Something more than a lot of their ideas being left out.

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So since the reddit AMA is done we should probably gather what we know about the series so far.

- The series will likely appear on the Marble Hornets channel.

- The story in the words of Joseph "May very well take place in the same universe as Marble Hornets but will not center around The Operator."

- It will be an original story, and will not draw an any existing mythos or creepypasta.

- It is not a sequel.

- Will likely start production well after the Season 3 DVDs have been shipped.

Speculation tiem.
My guess is the term "Original story" could have been a play on words by Troy to mean Original story. I'm probably looking far too into it but bear in mind this is the guy who made the tta videos. Also bear in mind it's not a sequel, there aren't too many other possibilities then that.

If the series is going to appear on the MH channel then we're probably due another found footage series. Which is fine although I was hoping for a different approach, they could still surprise us though.

A reddit user asked if uploading to the MH channel with a new project would make sense to the MH immersion, Joseph's only response was "Just wait and see."

This may be completely unconnected but they did say several times that Skully may still be out there. And while they never used his character he does exist in the MH universe. If they wanted to loosely tie this to MH they could use that character. Little has been done with the character so I'd say they could use him.


So if this is true and it's in the MH universe, then Tim, Troy and Joseph shouldn't play any characters as that would contradict the plot, unless it is a prequel kinda thing. Is Tim going to give someone else the YouTube channel password and username? Or is Tim going to find more tapes and upload the tapes, but if it's not a sequel then this kinda won't work.
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 		Since they actually conceded it as a reason in that Q&A,* I'm going to assume their putting the new series on the MH channel for the sake of visibility, until I see proof that says otherwise.

*It was in ths same discussion about immersion. I can't remember if it was Troy or Joseph, but whoever it was admitted that at least part of the reason for using the MH channel was so that it would be more easily found and seen. I imagine they'd get more ad revenue, too, but that's just my own speculation.

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 		Based on what Joseph's said, it seems like it will be uploaded to the Marble Hornets channel for visibility, but shouldn't be considered IG content being uploaded by anybody in the MH universe.

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