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Marble Hornets
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 		I don't know why you think he wouldn't mock alex.

"everyone is dead, (lists names), and now you"

"When you killed Amy did you feel like you were in control then?" - he's basically saying "you killed your own girlfriend that you loved, you're not actually in control despite how it may feel

"well you missed someone" - referring to himself, in reference to the above line "everyone is dead, (lists names)"

i'd like to see you not feel traumatized after killing someone for the first time. that doesn't mean he regretted his decision

that's the last argument i'm making towards this because it's just getting repetitive

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Geneaux486
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 		It's not so much that I don't think he'd mock Alex, I just don't think he'd mock Alex as he's killing him. Tim in his right mind just doesn't strike me as that kind of person. He knows as well as we do that none of this is Alex's fault, dude's a victim as much as Tim is, so I'm more inclined to think he mourns Alex's death and regrets his actions as much as any normal person would.

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Cyan507 wrote:
Before people go to town with the belief that someone other than Tim uploaded this, consider the following:

Tim could have been in a rush to upload this, or he may been tired from his ordeal, thus being why the tweet was unsigned as well as the video description.

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we need neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

Chances are if someone was to pick up the camera and upload the contents, we would have seen something similar to Entry #41. What I firmly think is that #86 was the first half like #83 and that #86 will continue the events from Tim's perspective.

There's also a third possibility that Tim went Masky after losing consciousness and uploaded it in that state. He's hasn't appeared in a long time and Tim is now completely deprived of medicine.


This is completely logical but my problem with it is that this entry is meant to make us think Tim is dead. Just like the previous entries were to show us that Brian and everyone else are dead. Despite several people claiming Hoody and Jessica were still alive they're not. If Tim's not dead it's the kind of twist ending that Troy said he hated and I doubt he'll change his style now.

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 		Implied "your fault, player"

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Geneaux486 wrote:
It's not so much that I don't think he'd mock Alex, I just don't think he'd mock Alex as he's killing him. Tim in his right mind just doesn't strike me as that kind of person. He knows as well as we do that none of this is Alex's fault, dude's a victim as much as Tim is, so I'm more inclined to think he mourns Alex's death and regrets his actions as much as any normal person would.


except it is alex's fault. hoody sees it that way too.

rather than letting people live their lives and cope with the operator and potentially spread it, alex is killing people against their will. both tim and hoody are against this stance. they don't want it to spread, but they don't want innocent people dying either.

he can feel bad that he got alex involved, but what alex was doing had to be stopped by any means necessary, even if it meant killing him. that would make them no better than alex, but they probably figured a lot less people would die in the future if he was killed.

alex sees living in fear as worse than death, tim and hoody see death as worse than living in fear

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Marble Hornets
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gennerx wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Before people go to town with the belief that someone other than Tim uploaded this, consider the following:

Tim could have been in a rush to upload this, or he may been tired from his ordeal, thus being why the tweet was unsigned as well as the video description.

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we need neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

Chances are if someone was to pick up the camera and upload the contents, we would have seen something similar to Entry #41. What I firmly think is that #86 was the first half like #83 and that #86 will continue the events from Tim's perspective.

There's also a third possibility that Tim went Masky after losing consciousness and uploaded it in that state. He's hasn't appeared in a long time and Tim is now completely deprived of medicine.


This is completely logical but my problem with it is that this entry is meant to make us think Tim is dead. Just like the previous entries were to show us that Brian and everyone else are dead. Despite several people claiming Hoody and Jessica were still alive they're not. If Tim's not dead it's the kind of twist ending that Troy said he hated and I doubt he'll change his style now.


l also refuse to believe Alex took the gun off jessica and didn't shoot her right then and there if his ultimate goal was to kill everyone involved. He knew jessica was involved, and if he killed amy and sarah, killing girls is clearly not too much for him. despite hoody's disagreement in the matter (can we even verify that "she's still out there" was truthful and not someone trolling?) it just doesn't make sense for her to still be alive

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
It's not so much that I don't think he'd mock Alex, I just don't think he'd mock Alex as he's killing him. Tim in his right mind just doesn't strike me as that kind of person. He knows as well as we do that none of this is Alex's fault, dude's a victim as much as Tim is, so I'm more inclined to think he mourns Alex's death and regrets his actions as much as any normal person would.


except it is alex's fault. hoody sees it that way too.

rather than letting people live their lives and cope with the operator and potentially spread it, alex is killing people against their will. both tim and hoody are against this stance. they don't want it to spread, but they don't want innocent people dying either.

he can feel bad that he got alex involved, but what alex was doing had to be stopped by any means necessary, even if it meant killing him. that would make them no better than alex, but they probably figured a lot less people would die in the future if he was killed.

alex sees living in fear as worse than death, tim and hoody see death as worse than living in fear


I don't know if Hoody embraced that idea or not but that's an excellent way to look at Tim and Alex.

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 		hoody definitely did. he pulled a gun on alex after knocking him out. why else would he do that? he also uses jessica to lure alex out so he can kill him (entry where jessica is taken and hoody strangles alex in the tunnel) - hoody clearly doesn't want to just kill everyone otherwise he would have killed jay and the rest of them, had plenty of chances.

plus if we assume that the noises jessica heard following them in entry 52 was hoody (couldn't have been tim as he was in the construction area), it shows hoody was watching them to make sure alex didn't actually kill them. the fact that hoody watches jay all the time could be in relation to keeping an eye out to make sure alex doesn't kill him as well.

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gennerx wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Before people go to town with the belief that someone other than Tim uploaded this, consider the following:

Tim could have been in a rush to upload this, or he may been tired from his ordeal, thus being why the tweet was unsigned as well as the video description.

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we need neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

Chances are if someone was to pick up the camera and upload the contents, we would have seen something similar to Entry #41. What I firmly think is that #86 was the first half like #83 and that #86 will continue the events from Tim's perspective.

There's also a third possibility that Tim went Masky after losing consciousness and uploaded it in that state. He's hasn't appeared in a long time and Tim is now completely deprived of medicine.


This is completely logical but my problem with it is that this entry is meant to make us think Tim is dead. Just like the previous entries were to show us that Brian and everyone else are dead. Despite several people claiming Hoody and Jessica were still alive they're not. If Tim's not dead it's the kind of twist ending that Troy said he hated and I doubt he'll change his style now.


You're right there, it strongly suggests that Tim is dead. But from a storytelling aspect I wouldn't write him out. As it's been mentioned everyone is now dead and the only real person driving the story is Tim. Plus he was given a task by Alex soon before he fell. I wouldn't see such a burst of information being given to Tim for him just to die straight after. Plus the fact the he threw up before falling almost negates the final frame, I don't think many people vomit before dying.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
except it is alex's fault.


That has long been proven untrue. The Operator turned Alex, and Tim knows that. He's acknowledged it several times throughout this final season. We saw the exact same thing happen to Jay. Reasonable one minute, spends some alone time with the Operator, then suddenly he's violent, accusatory, but still retains his faculties. Same with Alex.

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hoody sees it that way too.


Hoody was a gun-toting, bag-wearing, pill-stealing, magic hobo who was crazied-up by the Operator same as Alex and everyone else.

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Cyan507 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Before people go to town with the belief that someone other than Tim uploaded this, consider the following:

Tim could have been in a rush to upload this, or he may been tired from his ordeal, thus being why the tweet was unsigned as well as the video description.

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we need neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

Chances are if someone was to pick up the camera and upload the contents, we would have seen something similar to Entry #41. What I firmly think is that #86 was the first half like #83 and that #86 will continue the events from Tim's perspective.

There's also a third possibility that Tim went Masky after losing consciousness and uploaded it in that state. He's hasn't appeared in a long time and Tim is now completely deprived of medicine.


This is completely logical but my problem with it is that this entry is meant to make us think Tim is dead. Just like the previous entries were to show us that Brian and everyone else are dead. Despite several people claiming Hoody and Jessica were still alive they're not. If Tim's not dead it's the kind of twist ending that Troy said he hated and I doubt he'll change his style now.


You're right there, it strongly suggests that Tim is dead. But from a storytelling aspect I wouldn't write him out. As it's been mentioned everyone is now dead and the only real person driving the story is Tim. Plus he was given a task by Alex soon before he fell. I wouldn't see such a burst of information being given to Tim for him just to die straight after. Plus the fact the he threw up before falling almost negates the final frame, I don't think many people vomit before dying.


Choking on your own vomit is actually a fairly common way to die.
If anyone else was writing this I'd agree it's too soon to write him out but I don't see Troy misdirecting us that way. If your still not convinced consider this. Who looks more dead right now Tim or Hoody when he died?

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Cyan507 wrote:
Before people go to town with the belief that someone other than Tim uploaded this, consider the following:

Tim could have been in a rush to upload this, or he may been tired from his ordeal, thus being why the tweet was unsigned as well as the video description.

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

Chances are if someone was to pick up the camera and upload the contents, we would have seen something similar to Entry #41. What I firmly think is that #86 was the first half like #83 and that #86 will continue the events from Tim's perspective.

There's also a third possibility that Tim went Masky after losing consciousness and uploaded it in that state. He's hasn't appeared in a long time and Tim is now completely deprived of medicine.


FINALLY, someone agrees with me about Tim possibly going Masky and uploading 86

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gennerx wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Before people go to town with the belief that someone other than Tim uploaded this, consider the following:

Tim could have been in a rush to upload this, or he may been tired from his ordeal, thus being why the tweet was unsigned as well as the video description.

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we need neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

Chances are if someone was to pick up the camera and upload the contents, we would have seen something similar to Entry #41. What I firmly think is that #86 was the first half like #83 and that #86 will continue the events from Tim's perspective.

There's also a third possibility that Tim went Masky after losing consciousness and uploaded it in that state. He's hasn't appeared in a long time and Tim is now completely deprived of medicine.


This is completely logical but my problem with it is that this entry is meant to make us think Tim is dead. Just like the previous entries were to show us that Brian and everyone else are dead. Despite several people claiming Hoody and Jessica were still alive they're not. If Tim's not dead it's the kind of twist ending that Troy said he hated and I doubt he'll change his style now.


You're right there, it strongly suggests that Tim is dead. But from a storytelling aspect I wouldn't write him out. As it's been mentioned everyone is now dead and the only real person driving the story is Tim. Plus he was given a task by Alex soon before he fell. I wouldn't see such a burst of information being given to Tim for him just to die straight after. Plus the fact the he threw up before falling almost negates the final frame, I don't think many people vomit before dying.


Choking on your own vomit is actually a fairly common way to die.
If anyone else was writing this I'd agree it's too soon to write him out but I don't see Troy misdirecting us that way. If your still not convinced consider this. Who looks more dead right now Tim or Hoody when he died?


I know it's a common way to die, but when you consider how Alex likely drowned in his own blood and how he gurgled he last words to Tim, listen to Tim before he hits the ground, there is no sound of him choking, plus if he was to choke he would have started to go in to convulsions and btw you can't choke on your vomit facing down. I'm not going to go into Hoody's death because I've been horribly wrong at every turn.

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 		I never did post here much (nothing terribly useful or intelligent to say!) but I would quite like to add my 2 cents/pence/currencyofyourchoice about this episode:

I'm a bit confused about Alex shouting about Tim "feeding it!". How do you know this, Alex? When did you work this out? Have you known this the whole time? Why have you never mentioned this to anybody? [Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying he might not be right, I'm just wondering how he worked it out and why he never brought it up before now.]

Similarly with Tim and his shouting about how to control it. Why have you not said anything about this until now? (Although, I think I probably agree with the people who said that he never trusted his own mind until recently.)

On a completely different subject, I do rather like the idea that Jay has basically unleashed the Operator on the world by posting these videos on the internet. I really enjoy the slightly nasty, creepy feeling that I need to worry about a visit from the Operator AND ALSO a visit from Tim, who needs to kill EVERYBODY.

(I could have worded this all better, but wine. I'm not sorry.)

P.S "The show must go on". That was brilliant. I giggled.

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 		Why would Tim be dead? He didn't have a mortal wound. He never got shot or stabbed, he only busted up his leg when he fell through the floor. He spit up blood only because Alex punched him in the mouth three or four times. And he puked from probably both over dosing, and from the fact that he just stabbed someone to death.

The only reason he might have died is from overdosing on the pills, which he has done before, passed out, and woke up later. And that is pretty clear, to me, what happened here. In fact, throwing up might have saved him from overdosing, and he just passed out from exhaustion.

"You missed someone." Pretty sure Tim was mocking Alex, but could be wrong there.

And once again I will say that Alex wasn't referring to anyone specific with his last breaths. He was simply stating in his last words what he was doing, and what Tim will have to do in order to end it all. Which is, "If there's someone left, you have to kill them and then yourself." Not sure where people are hearing "he" and "alive." It sounds nothing like that.

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