View topic - [VIDEO] Entry #86

unforum
a.r.g.b.b

Welcome!

New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.

Website Restoration Project

This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.

Announcements

This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.

This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.

Our Esteemed Contributors

The time now is Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:35 pm
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)

View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum

Calendar

Forum index » Chaotic Fiction » Marble Hornets

[VIDEO] Entry #86
Moderators: Giskard, JKatkina, Zarggg

Page 27 of 40 [587 Posts]

Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, ..., 38, 39, 40 Next

Author

Message

Sidenote
Decorated

Joined: 24 Nov 2013
Posts: 240
Location: Scotland

On the subject of 'you missed someone'

Definitely a mock comment. It feels like trosephim can't have a comment like this without people looking into it way too much. It's common for the good guy to say a mocking comment to the dying enemy.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:40 pm

knightmare
Veteran

Joined: 20 Mar 2014
Posts: 109

Perhaps there's a reason (IG) why Tim wants to appear dead to anyone that might be watching MH.

If he really just passed out from taking too many pills and then woke up later and uploaded the entry, maybe he decided, for some reason, that he needed it to appear like he died during Entry 86. Maybe he thinks TO saved Alex, or maybe someone else is out there that he needs to check on/kill.

That would explain both why he appeared to be dead at the end, and who was the uploader.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:40 pm

Geneaux486
I Have No Life

Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 2423

Sidenote wrote:

It's common for the good guy to say a mocking comment to the dying enemy.

Marble Hornets is an uncommon series.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:58 pm

Marble Hornets
Entrenched

Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

Geneaux486 wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

except it is alex's fault.

That has long been proven untrue. The Operator turned Alex, and Tim knows that. He's acknowledged it several times throughout this final season. We saw the exact same thing happen to Jay. Reasonable one minute, spends some alone time with the Operator, then suddenly he's violent, accusatory, but still retains his faculties. Same with Alex.

Quote:

hoody sees it that way too.

Hoody was a gun-toting, bag-wearing, pill-stealing, magic hobo who was crazied-up by the Operator same as Alex and everyone else.

we have no reason to believe anyone was legit crazy outside of a masky state. alex tim and hoody have all shown they can be normal outside of it, season 2 has shown that multiple times, and in fact it even shows that tim can be rational while in a masky state (entry 52 when he attacks alex to save jay and jessica).

you say it's been proven untrue but that's false (or you're missing my point): the masky state makes someone incredibly violent, but alex himself makes the conscious decision to kill people one by one without being in a masky state in an attempt to stop the spreading of the disease. his rationale is self-created with no influence from the operator. there is a reason we never saw jay/tim/jessica/seth/brian ever kill anyone even though they were around the operator for a long time: it's because he doesn't actually take control of a person, just forces a sickness onto them

hoody and tim both also make the conscious decision to stop alex from killing people, you can see that multiple times throughout the series. there's no reason to think totheark/hoody was actually bonkers, he's shown multiple times to be able to process information in front of him and make his own decisions when it comes to helping someone or not. he probably doesn't like jay since he keeps publicizing the shit and getting people involved, and probably feels he deserves a little mental torment, but that doesn't mean that just because he used horrorish imagery in his videos that he's actually crazy. it's more likely that he was just incredibly physically ill

masky state = alex sitting by the tunnel, killing bruce
non-masky state = alex attacking tim and brian in the hospital (at different times), sacrificing seth, entry 47, pulling a gun on jessica, etc

masky state = tim in entry 65
non-masky state = tim lying to jay to cover up lies

tim's line "you're not containing it you're feeding it. when you killed amy did you feel like you were in control then" doesn't represent alex not actually being in control of his actions, it represents alex's actions being performed with good intentions, even going so far as to kill his girlfriend who he loves over it (which he would have never done otherwise), but naive to how it actually helps the operator. it's not an entire loss of control, it's more of a "dude you killed your girlfriend how can you not see how insane your actions are"

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:02 pm

Marble Hornets
Entrenched

Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

McGregor wrote:

Why would Tim be dead? He didn't have a mortal wound. He never got shot or stabbed, he only busted up his leg when he fell through the floor. He spit up blood only because Alex punched him in the mouth three or four times. And he puked from probably both over dosing, and from the fact that he just stabbed someone to death.

The only reason he might have died is from overdosing on the pills, which he has done before, passed out, and woke up later. And that is pretty clear, to me, what happened here. In fact, throwing up might have saved him from overdosing, and he just passed out from exhaustion.

"You missed someone." Pretty sure Tim was mocking Alex, but could be wrong there.

And once again I will say that Alex wasn't referring to anyone specific with his last breaths. He was simply stating in his last words what he was doing, and what Tim will have to do in order to end it all. Which is, "If there's someone left, you have to kill them and then yourself." Not sure where people are hearing "he" and "alive." It sounds nothing like that.

To build on that last part, I took it as Alex's self-motto. It's a code he lives by. He figures he has to kill Tim and then kill himself afterward. I can't imagine after all the "i hate plot twists" talk Joseph put out there that they will introduce another person showing up to take control in one more entry.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:04 pm

Wolfboy702
Boot

Joined: 14 Apr 2011
Posts: 40
Location: How should I know?

Everyone seems to be forgetting something with the whole Tim is dead/not dead debate. Slenderface doesn't want him to die, its pretty obvious he was helping Tim throughout that fight against Alex. If the Operator wants Tim to live, you can be pretty sure he's not dead.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:05 pm

Marble Hornets
Entrenched

Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

Wolfboy702 wrote:

He didn't seem to care about helping Tim while Alex was choking him out, and even seemed to appear to attempt to prevent Tim from killing Alex when the knife comes into play. Plus, Tim's line of "it's using you to get what it wants, you're not containing it youre feeding it" wouldn't make sense then, it implies the operator wants them to kill each other.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:10 pm

Geneaux486
I Have No Life

Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 2423

Marble Hornets wrote:

we have no reason to believe anyone was legit crazy outside of a masky state.

I'm gonna stop you there. We literally saw Jay go from being reasonable and understanding about Tim's keeping the tape from him to a completely different mindset because he came into contact with the Operator. Yes, the Operator is altering everyone's minds. No, that doesn't always mean they go full-on violent psycho. Yes, that includes Alex, as we saw him go from being a normal person to a murderer after contact with the Operator. Yes, that proves Alex is as much a victim as anyone else. Yes, that proves that Alex is no more at fault for this than anyone else. And all of that aside, Tim has made it clear multiple times that he, himself, considers Alex to be a victim the same as anyone. You're demonstrably incorrect on this particular subject.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:11 pm

Wolfboy702
Boot

Joined: 14 Apr 2011
Posts: 40
Location: How should I know?

Marble Hornets wrote:

Wolfboy702 wrote:

There was a bit where Alex was pummeling the crap out of Tim and Oppy appeared and teleported Alex away but maybe thats just me seeing things. Regardless of that someone is still alive because the operator needs them to continue to spread, I'm assuming its Tim because most if not all the other characters are dead and to introduce a new character at this stage would be a terrible idea. He's been pulling the strings since the beginning so I can't believe he was thwarted by Tim stabbing himself/bleeding out, Slenderface is far too smart for that.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:17 pm

DHawk314
Entrenched

Joined: 17 May 2011
Posts: 1087

I think that if you watched the totheark videos without thinking "This is legit crazy" then we have widely different craziness standards.

_________________
I was just lurking around the forums and i have no idea who MH is

I'm in here sometimes: http://tinychat.com/thehoodyhub

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:19 pm

Marble Hornets
Entrenched

Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

DHawk314 wrote:

I think that if you watched the totheark videos without thinking "This is legit crazy" then we have widely different craziness standards.

If they were intentionally made like that to creep out Jay, then no, they are not crazy.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:28 pm

Marble Hornets
Entrenched

Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

Geneaux486 wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

we have no reason to believe anyone was legit crazy outside of a masky state.

You cannot prove that this "altering of peoples minds" is anything more than due to the sickness making someone irritable due to inflicting physical/internal damage on their body.

Your facts are also wrong. Jay gets mad at Tim immediately finding out he hid the tape, because he now knows Tim was lying and is probably lying about other things. He was never understanding of it. You would have the same reaction if you were in his shoes. Once he sees what's on the tape, he blames Tim for Jessica's disappearance and goes to tie him up to get information from him. The operator didn't even make an appearance in between those points. Tim gets the better of him and ties him up and he starts raging. You would rage too if you were tied up by the guy you thought was responsible for Jessica getting taken and then tying you up helpless to do anything.

And I never said the operator being in alex's life didn't change his personality. Season 1 shows the evolution of him into an incredibly paranoid and angry person. And sure the sickness harms people on a physical level. But to say the operator forced alex to kill anyone is not fact, it's implied Alex was doing it all on his own accord. The only way he was a victim was that he was being stalked and forcibly had his memories removed. There is nothing leading us to believe the operator influenced people's minds directly through something like telepathy (implanting ideas in people's brains), only through the sickness leading to a masky state which puts someone into a blind rage, a state which alex was clearly not in any of the times he killed anyone but bruce

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:33 pm

lonsumtravlr
Entrenched

Joined: 23 Mar 2014
Posts: 1009
Location: The Great Continent of New England

Cyan507 wrote:

There's very little to suggest in the video that someone else appeared after Tim collapsed near the stairs, because we neither saw nor heard any third party after the knife dropped. It's entirely possible that if a third party did in fact upload this and edited out their appearance, but in the MH universe how likely is that?

There's little to suggest it, although the final shot was perfectly poised in a way to make it seem as if someone or something would appear over Tim's body. The next entry COULD start that way.

Also, about Tim's medicine--he could be in it now, but shortly before killing Alex he downed a whole bottle of pills. Whether they're enough anymore (or whether Tim's built up some sort of tolerance) is anybody's guess.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:46 pm

Lithp
I Have No Life

Joined: 04 Mar 2012
Posts: 2058

Dacad wrote:

I've brought this up before, but totheark specifically told us "she's out there". Maybe it was Jessica, maybe Sarah, maybe Amy (I'd imagine Alex would, on some level, be bad at killing her). Alex said "if he's alive", but he might not have realized it was a she.

Finally, my thoughts on Tim, from a very wise person: No, not your fault. Look at me. Not your fault. It's not your fault to want to be human. To want to reach out to people. That's what you guys do. You're very social creatures, you're all about the togetherness and shit like that. You can't blame yourself for the fact that she was eaten by a monster.

If you can't trust the wisdom of the guy who said that, I don't know whose wisdom you can trust.

That quote sounds familiar....

Quote:

This is completely logical but my problem with it is that this entry is meant to make us think Tim is dead. Just like the previous entries were to show us that Brian and everyone else are dead. Despite several people claiming Hoody and Jessica were still alive they're not. If Tim's not dead it's the kind of twist ending that Troy said he hated and I doubt he'll change his style now.

That's not a twist, that's a resolution to a cliffhanger. It would be a twist if Brian or Jay turned out to not be dead after all.

Quote:

Who looks more dead right now Tim or Hoody when he died?

Neither, really. Tim's covered in blood, but that doesn't mean he's dead. Most of it is probably Alex's. If you clean him up, then what wounds does he have? He was punched a few times. I doubt he was shot, even in the leg, because we didn't see a blood trail or stains on his clothes before he shanked Alex.

Also, this would only prove that "looks dead" isn't a very good indicator of deadness.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:59 pm

Cyan507
Entrenched

Joined: 18 Jun 2012
Posts: 751
Location: Ireland

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Cyan507 wrote:

I don't think they'll be enough to stomach whatever Tim has to face next. If what we're speculating here is true, and Tim is the last person infected by TO then it'll go full force. And I don't care how the next Entry starts, I just want it NOW.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:09 pm

Display posts from previous: Sort by:

Page 27 of 40 [587 Posts]

Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, ..., 38, 39, 40 Next

Forum index » Chaotic Fiction » Marble Hornets

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum