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[Marble Hornets]

And you were proven wrong because that only applies to Alex and it is still not concrete evidence-wise. Multiple other people have been involved with the operator and none of them were killers or violent. Explain that

[lonsumtravlr]

[Geneaux486]

[fezstudios]

It's pretty obvious that Tim is still alive and thus he uploaded #86.

[adanufgail]

In regards to whether this was the last entry, I listened to the BNWYDSE posdcast that came out today, and they make literally no mention of the new entry. I think they have one more coming, otherwise I think that they'd mention it was the ending. The only logical explanation for NOT saying it was the last entry (on their FBs, Twitters, etc) was that they wanted to have this ambiguity before the true finale.

At one point Troy mentions editing video, and the conversation pertained to what they had been working on. Tim had been editing the DVDs, Joseph had been doing transcriptions, and Troy had been watching some anime, to which he replied "I was editing video too!" It could be this was referring to Entry 86, but I still think there's one more to wrap it up.

[420Goku]

The only reason Tim would be dead is that something happened to him that wasn't clearly shown or denoted in the video, which I just can't believe. It seems silly that this is even being debated.

[lonsumtravlr]

[Marble Hornets]

[twistedpuppet]

@Geneaux486 You are spending way too much energy arguing with a brick wall. Ignore the brick wall.

Sorry, I just felt the need to say that because you seem like you are really getting worked up over a brick wall.

[Malckeor]

Uhh...people are seriously trying to say that Alex's killing spree was UNRELATED to the Operator exposure?

Wat. You guys are silly. I recommend re-watching the series again, most notably that one entry that happened just before the shit once again started hitting the fan full-force, among others that led to different characters having violent tendencies themselves.

[Cyan507]

[Marble Hornets]

[censura_umbra]

Wow, the discussions that happen once we pass 20 pages.

As for what Alex and Tim say during his death. GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT before making a comment about it. Stop paraphrasing other people that are also paraphrasing. Alex doesn't say the words "alive" "he" or "him"
It is just Alex justifying his actions before he dies and setting up Tim's choice of suicide.

As for did TO make Alex do it? Answer: no??
I'd say Alex was out of control when he killed Bruce. But he hunted down Jay and Tim meticulously.

TO may have influenced some of them some times. But many, if not most times Alex was trying to kill people, he was in control. And in those times TO was no more in control than a stalker who makes you paranoid and drastic.

TO almost definitely has the ability to control people to an extent. Or at least force them into their Masky state.

I think at the end of this entry, this is what happened:
Tim stabs Alex, makes a witty comment, TO shows up, Tim goes Masky jumps on Alex and finishes the job. Backs off. Distortion, Tim is back and horrified. Passes out from exhaustion/ pills/ trauma.

[DHawk314]

I think 82 confirmed that the Operator getting in your head changes you outside of just the sickness making you paranoid and crazy. Everyone seems to be ignoring that entry. Even Tim himself in this entry tells Alex the Operator is obviously controlling him. And he's clearly using him in some way, otherwise why would the Operator save him in 45 and 67? Their relationship is clearly slightly different than everyone else's, either because of the Operator's specific influence on him, or because of his personal choice to murder people.

I suspect the Operator's influence on everyone is basically the same. So I think Alex's free will had a good amount of involvement here. It took Alex only a few months during 2006 to start trying to murder everyone. Jay took forever to even start acting somewhat unreasonably violent. But, Jay's change was clearly more than just stress. 82 isolates a spot where he instantly shifted due to the Operator. Tim's mind was clearly affected by the Operator, creating Masky. He holds Masky back because of the pills, but when he is being affected that way, he acts violently.

It's one thing if stress from the Operator makes one character have violent tendencies, but it's a repeated thing over time. My impression is that the Operator does have some kind of supernatural influence on the mind. This makes the victim have violent urges and thoughts and such, but it's the free will of the victim that decides how to respond. Brian clearly lost his connection to reality, not just as seen in totheark videos, but in the unnecessarily enigmatic way he does everything. If Hoody was a person in real life, you'd be hard pressed to convince me he wasn't pretty crazy.

Alex responded by becoming a full on murderer. He also shows some of Brian's mental symptoms, scribbling similar cryptic messages on pieces of paper, with both of them seeming to recognize what the "Operator" is somehow. Tim mentions in 66 that as a child, he got worse and worse until he was clawing at the walls and screaming at all hours of the night. We see this repeated in what seems to be his Masky state in 65. He started taking pills, and it "balanced" him, creating the whole Tim/Masky duality. That pills make him something of an outlier.

The symptoms are somewhat inconsistent in the form they take, but violence in general is a constant. Between that pattern, Alex and the Operator's noticeably different relationship, Jay in Entry #82, and the very existence of Masky, I think it's implausible to say the Operator doesn't have some direct supernatural influence on the human mind, beyond just paranoia caused by his presence. Overall, I think free will is involved too, and like most things in life, it's likely somewhere in between.

[censura_umbra]

OOG answer to is this the last entry?: