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Blackout_2014
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Lithp wrote:
It seems pretty obvious now that they were trying to save her from Alex.


It's a good example of the ambiguity of the series. Because it feels like to me that Hoody set Jay up to die I wonder how pure their intentions for Jessica were. Were they trying to save her or was she just bait to lure Alex in?

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kralyk wrote:
I have a bit of half-serious question: How the hell did no authorities get involved in the thing? People vanish, buildings are burnt down on purpose,... not even a single cop asking a few questions?


As much as I hate this answer.......

I think this is a moment where you have to have suspension of disbelief. With the open YouTube channel someone would have noticed it after murder started happening and everyone would be in jail.

The question of if the operator would let them stay in jail is another question entirely.

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Blackout_2014 wrote:
kralyk wrote:
I have a bit of half-serious question: How the hell did no authorities get involved in the thing? People vanish, buildings are burnt down on purpose,... not even a single cop asking a few questions?


As much as I hate this answer.......

I think this is a moment where you have to have suspension of disbelief. With the open YouTube channel someone would have noticed it after murder started happening and everyone would be in jail.

The question of if the operator would let them stay in jail is another question entirely.


The characters are constantly fleeing from situations where the police are likely to show up. It's not so crazy to believe they stayed ahead of them.

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gennerx wrote:
Blackout_2014 wrote:
kralyk wrote:
I have a bit of half-serious question: How the hell did no authorities get involved in the thing? People vanish, buildings are burnt down on purpose,... not even a single cop asking a few questions?


As much as I hate this answer.......

I think this is a moment where you have to have suspension of disbelief. With the open YouTube channel someone would have noticed it after murder started happening and everyone would be in jail.

The question of if the operator would let them stay in jail is another question entirely.


The characters are constantly fleeing from situations where the police are likely to show up. It's not so crazy to believe they stayed ahead of them.


Yeah, but Jay is easy to find remember?

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As I've stated in a previous thread, it really upsets me that Hoody, a seemingly important character with various appearances throughout the second and third seasons and who had a hand in the main character's death, never has his motive explained. What was he? Why did he do what he did? Was it insanity? Maybe, and it would make sense, given the nature of the series. But why am I required to just infer that? Why can't I just know for sure? The creators promised to answer the important questions and, to me, that is one of the important questions -- why was Hoody active at all in the series? What purpose did he serve? And yet we were given nothing even close to concrete.

As Tim said in Entry #80, Hoody "set up" Jay's encounter with Alex in Benedict Hall, which led to his death. Why? Why the hell did he do that? Did he intend for that encounter to go the way it did, or did he have something else in mind? What was he trying to do?

Blackout_2014 wrote:
Yeah, but Jay is easy to find remember?

Also, while I'm sure that this is true just knowing Jay and how he was as a "detective", I can't bring myself to believe that Alex really did find Jay himself and had that package delivered to his door of his own doing, as Alex claimed had happened in Season 2. Hoody had to be involved somehow, because Hoody seems to be the one that knew where everyone was at any given time, and when he led other people to a target was when those people would find that target (such as Hoody telling Jay where to find Tim after he stole his pills from his house in Season 3, and Hoody coming to Alex's house in Entry #45 and subsequently leading Alex to where Tim was with that rock, ready for revenge). Therefore, I refuse to believe that Alex found out all by himself where Jay was staying when he received that tape in Entry #26. Something else was at play there, most likely Hoody, and Alex had to be lying about Jay being "easy to find" without a little help from another source. But, again, we'll never know, will we....

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I'm devoting this post for questions mainly about Alex:

Why did Alex give Jay the tapes in the first place?

We learn that Alex was already burning tapes. Why didn't he just burn all of them at once? Why did he still have some left to give to Jay?

We learn that Alex wanted to make himself look innocent with the tapes he gave Jay. How exactly did he just have a group of tapes ready to give to Jay that make him look innocent?

If Alex knew how important it was to destroy all of the tapes, why did he even let Jay coerce him into giving them to him? Why wouldn't he just tell him to leave, or make up a lie and say he still needed them?

In Season 2, we get heavy implications that Alex is in some sort of alliance with the Operator, but then we learn Alex's goal is to kill everyone and then himself to escape the Operator. So what exactly is happening there? Is he working for the Operator or not?

What was Alex doing in Entry #49 when he was sitting in front of the tunnel for all that time? What was the purpose of him sitting there and then killing the first guy he saw? Did he think that was Jay?

Additionally, why did he call Jay and tell him to leave when Jay and Tim were trying to go through the tunnel? Was he trying to protect them from the Operator? Why? And how did Alex know that Jay and Tim were there? Where was he watching from? What the HELL is with that tunnel?

Why does Alex suck so bad at killing the people he means to kill? He tried to kill Tim and failed. He tried to kill Brian and failed. He tried to kill Jay and failed. He tried to kill Jessica and failed. Was he actually trying to kill them? I really don't understand this aspect of the series. Like in Entry #51, when he dragged Brian's body through that doorway. Did he think Brian was dead? And how did Brian come back from that? What happened there?

Why was it so important to Alex to kill all of the people involved? If he thinks the only escape is death, then why wouldn't he just kill himself and be done with it? Why does he feel that it's his responsibility to kill everyone? Does he think he's being a good and loyal friend by doing this?

Why was the Operator protecting Alex? We see signs of this in Entry #45 and definitely in Entry #67. We are led to believe it's because they are in an alliance, but why didn't the Operator protect Alex in Entry #86 when Tim killed him?

Did Alex actually kill Seth and Sarah? He believed that he killed all of the others, but it turns out he didn't. Was he actually successful with Seth and Sarah? I guess this isn't that important of a question, but I'm inclined to believe that Seth and Sarah are still alive, just based on how poor of a killer Alex is.

What was Alex doing in Benedict Hall? Why was he there? And what was Hoody doing there with him? Why did Hoody lead Jay there? Did Hoody want Jay to die? Tim says "you set this up!" when he's chasing Hoody. So is that a sort of confirmation that Hoody wanted this to happen?

What exactly is enttry #37 implying? That the Operator was screwing with Alex since he was a kid? But then we later learn that Tim is the source of the Operator. So what was the point of that video? Was it just something creepy they wanted to show?

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Why the hell is there absolutely nobody else in the town? It seems like a ghost town.

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What was all that mess with the film equipment in the store run by the old lady? Was it just filler before season 3?

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The Slender Man wrote:
What was all that mess with the film equipment in the store run by the old lady? Was it just filler before season 3?


I believe that with that weird etching with the man with no face and maybe some of the Operator Symbols (the one on the Red Tower, maybe, or the one by the pool in Entry #13 that looked pretty old), it was an attempt to provide some sort of historical connection of TO and Rosswood Town, if only by suggestion.

I liked that they provided them, but I'll agree that it wasn't enough.

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chelonian wrote:
Why the hell is there absolutely nobody else in the town? It seems like a ghost town.


I think they were trying to go for the idea that TO's presence was something like a curse on the town. Everything seemed pretty small, even though most of it was filmed around U of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, I believe (the old hospital is part of the campus now).

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
chelonian wrote:
Why the hell is there absolutely nobody else in the town? It seems like a ghost town.


I think they were trying to go for the idea that TO's presence was something like a curse on the town. Everything seemed pretty small, even though most of it was filmed around U of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, I believe (the old hospital is part of the campus now).


I rather enjoyed the "ghost-town" feeling, deliberate or not (I'd have to imagine it was the former) as it really channeled the feeling I got reading Lovecraft stories - That the protagonists are just trapped by these outside entities in their own pocket worlds running parallel to but not interacting with "normal" life. Very few works have channeled that sense of eerie emptiness so effectively, IMO.

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I was gonna make a big topic with this, but it didn't turn out as big as I thought it would. Here's some various explanations for things I personally noticed:


-The importance of Water/Fire

TotheArk persistently used water throughout his videos. A recurring themme of the Operator seems to be fire - many of the locations, such as the hospital, were heavily burned. Jay's apartment was burned, and Tim's house was burned.

From this, I think we can assume that The Operator controls his victims and uses them to set fire to things, as he cannot. TotheArk's opposition with water was most likely symbolic, or thought of as "Safety".

-The Ark

Possibly relating to the above, the Ark stands for death. Throughout all the creepy symbols with totheark, many of them represented Xs, skulls, etc, that all imply death. It's not any simple location.

I think there may be some relating to water/drowning in there somewhere, but I haven't explored that idea much at all.

-The Two Lights

The two headlights/bright lights are a common recurring symbol throughout the series. The first time they were prominently noted was in "memories", where we also see the bottom of a mailbox.

In Entry 84, we see that mailbox and the two lights- traffic lights - just before The Operator makes his first chronological appearance. It might represent a beginning in some manner, but the lights are a persistent reference the tape on Brian's person.

-How did nobody remember?

One of the biggest unanswered questions is "What happened after Alex killed/bonked everybody in 2006?"

I think the answer to this is that he tried to kill everybody and have them be taken, but he failed. Seth and Sarah were most likely killed in 2006 hence their lack of appearance, but Tim, Brian, and Jay all survived their encounters.

This leads me to believe The Operator can only truly "Take" the dead. He takes the guy in the tunnel, we never see Amy again, he ultimately takes Jay, and seems to take Brian.

Everybody else probably gets spit out of his dimension or escapes and simply forgot.

-The various locations

There's probably no significance to these besides the hospital where Tim stayed. They're just for atmosphere and probably the idea of desolate, hidden locations may appeal to both Hoody and Alex for their motives.

-Brian's motivations

Probably one of the asked questions that wasn't elaborated upon before he died. My guess is that he was using Jay and Tim to look for answers. While he knew many things they did not, he still obviously didn't know a whole lot and wanted to use them to find and kill Alex.

Killing Alex, either for revenge or out of belief that it would erase the operator, seemed to be his ultimate goal. He was nuts, so perhaps him hiding things everywhere was his way of "Testing" Jay for his own twisted sense of loyalty.

It's unlikely he ever intended for Jay to die. You can tell by his reaction that he had no idea what happened, and that his plans to get Alex into a room again had fallen apart. He probably wanted to use Jay to lure Alex into a trap, since Hoody's various methods of trying to confront Alex directly with Tim had all failed horribly due to intervention of The Operator.

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OOG question:

Did the guys ever explain how they made the Operator? They've said a few times in the past that they wouldn't share until the series was over, and here we are...

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TomCat wrote:
As I've stated in a previous thread, it really upsets me that Hoody, a seemingly important character with various appearances throughout the second and third seasons and who had a hand in the main character's death, never has his motive explained. What was he? Why did he do what he did? Was it insanity? Maybe, and it would make sense, given the nature of the series. But why am I required to just infer that? Why can't I just know for sure? The creators promised to answer the important questions and, to me, that is one of the important questions -- why was Hoody active at all in the series? What purpose did he serve? And yet we were given nothing even close to concrete.

As Tim said in Entry #80, Hoody "set up" Jay's encounter with Alex in Benedict Hall, which led to his death. Why? Why the hell did he do that? Did he intend for that encounter to go the way it did, or did he have something else in mind? What was he trying to do?

Blackout_2014 wrote:
Yeah, but Jay is easy to find remember?

Also, while I'm sure that this is true just knowing Jay and how he was as a "detective", I can't bring myself to believe that Alex really did find Jay himself and had that package delivered to his door of his own doing, as Alex claimed had happened in Season 2. Hoody had to be involved somehow, because Hoody seems to be the one that knew where everyone was at any given time, and when he led other people to a target was when those people would find that target (such as Hoody telling Jay where to find Tim after he stole his pills from his house in Season 3, and Hoody coming to Alex's house in Entry #45 and subsequently leading Alex to where Tim was with that rock, ready for revenge). Therefore, I refuse to believe that Alex found out all by himself where Jay was staying when he received that tape in Entry #26. Something else was at play there, most likely Hoody, and Alex had to be lying about Jay being "easy to find" without a little help from another source. But, again, we'll never know, will we....


I find that all I can do is agree with the sentiments above.

What was the point of Hoody......?

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Why did Alex give Jay the tapes in the first place?


Maybe Alex thought he could get the operator latch on to Jay? Not sure, since it seemed like Alex wanted to contain the operator in the beginning.

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We learn that Alex was already burning tapes. Why didn't he just burn all of them at once? Why did he still have some left to give to Jay?


Most popular theory is that Alex wanted to look like the victim. Would have been nice for a tape to exist that would have blown Alex's cover. That is if that was their original intention.

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We learn that Alex wanted to make himself look innocent with the tapes he gave Jay. How exactly did he just have a group of tapes ready to give to Jay that make him look innocent?


It would have been an odd plan by Alex. He should just have burned everything and killed himself if that's what he really believed.

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If Alex knew how important it was to destroy all of the tapes, why did he even let Jay coerce him into giving them to him? Why wouldn't he just tell him to leave, or make up a lie and say he still needed them?


I guess the easiest way to explain this is it had to happen for the story to occur.

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In Season 2, we get heavy implications that Alex is in some sort of alliance with the Operator, but then we learn Alex's goal is to kill everyone and then himself to escape the Operator. So what exactly is happening there? Is he working for the Operator or not?


This is a loose end in the series. There was a theory that Alex was becoming the operator. It seemed plausible for a while since he was killing people left and right. It also seemed like he was an automan by the end. Killing Jay without a word. However, just like that he becomes talky when trying to kill Tim both times. So I don't know the answer.


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What was Alex doing in Entry #49 when he was sitting in front of the tunnel for all that time? What was the purpose of him sitting there and then killing the first guy he saw? Did he think that was Jay?


It was implied that this was Alex was being driven crazy by Slender sickness. Or that him killing Bruce was his "Masky" state. I do think they were trying to imply that he thought Bruce was Jay.

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Additionally, why did he call Jay and tell him to leave when Jay and Tim were trying to go through the tunnel? Was he trying to protect them from the Operator? Why? And how did Alex know that Jay and Tim were there? Where was he watching from? What the HELL is with that tunnel?


Never answered. Who the hell knows?

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Why does Alex suck so bad at killing the people he means to kill? He tried to kill Tim and failed. He tried to kill Brian and failed. He tried to kill Jay and failed. He tried to kill Jessica and failed. Was he actually trying to kill them? I really don't understand this aspect of the series. Like in Entry #51, when he dragged Brian's body through that doorway. Did he think Brian was dead? And how did Brian come back from that? What happened there?


Well since it seemed like Alex killed Sarah, Seth, and Amy off screen he wasn't that bad at killing people. Four out of Six really.

I have no idea why people kept coming back after the operator took them. Or what it even meant to be taken.

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Why was it so important to Alex to kill all of the people involved? If he thinks the only escape is death, then why wouldn't he just kill himself and be done with it? Why does he feel that it's his responsibility to kill everyone? Does he think he's being a good and loyal friend by doing this?


I think by this point he was just desperate for it to be over. Perhaps he concluded this was the only way.

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Why was the Operator protecting Alex? We see signs of this in Entry #45 and definitely in Entry #67. We are led to believe it's because they are in an alliance, but why didn't the Operator protect Alex in Entry #86 when Tim killed him?


Who knows? Very inconsistent.

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Did Alex actually kill Seth and Sarah? He believed that he killed all of the others, but it turns out he didn't. Was he actually successful with Seth and Sarah? I guess this isn't that important of a question, but I'm inclined to believe that Seth and Sarah are still alive, just based on how poor of a killer Alex is.


Nah, it seems like through Tim and Alex's dialogue that they are dead....

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What was Alex doing in Benedict Hall? Why was he there? And what was Hoody doing there with him? Why did Hoody lead Jay there? Did Hoody want Jay to die? Tim says "you set this up!" when he's chasing Hoody. So is that a sort of confirmation that Hoody wanted this to happen?


Yup. The answers for Hoody is the most disappointing thing of all.

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What exactly is enttry #37 implying? That the Operator was screwing with Alex since he was a kid? But then we later learn that Tim is the source of the Operator. So what was the point of that video? Was it just something creepy they wanted to show?


I think the plan was to have Alex be the source. Since Tim was the best actor and Joesph has straight up said he hates his acting I think they switched up the story.

It's kinda like George Lucas claiming that he always knew Luke and Leia were brother and sister. However, he spent a good deal of time building up sexual tension between them in the first two movies. It just shows that he was making it up as he went along.

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