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What in the name of god were they doing with Jay both times they kidnapped him? (when Masky was in his room, and when Jay followed Masky into Rosswood at night). Why did he lose his memory during these trips? Why were they exposing him to TO in the first kidnapping? (if the first one was indeed a kidnapping).


I had thought that they were trying to initiate or reacquaint by immersion Jay into the mystery. I don't know if they were trying to make him like them, but they were making him very intimate with something that one wouldn't normally want to have anything to do with.

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Was the antique store a superhuge giant red herring?
He went to the trouble of breaking in and taking pics... and the piles of old cameras and the weird pic of the man with two plain cirlces for eyes... was it all just a set up for suggesting that TO has been around a while, even before Tim? And Tim was just the unlucky guy who contracted the TO "disease"?


I think I missed that pic. But I just thought it was there, again, to add to the mystery, to fill it out a bit.

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TO was in Tim's apartment (when they were discussing music). And Tim just walked past him like it was NOTHING. Couldn't he see him? Was he so used to him by now it no longer scared him? Did he think he was a hallucination? Or was Tim setting the others up? Or did Alex bring him?


I'd thought he had thought it was a hallucination--a symptom of what he'd thought (or had been counseled and medded-up into believing) was his illness. Even after Tim realizes that there's something not natural that's been following him, he's still willing to believe that at least some of what he sees is a hallucination OR is something that's controllable with contemporary psychiatry. He even gives an indication of this in Entry #86, when he says to Alex that both "could fight [TO] together" and that he could show Alex how to live with it.

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Did Tim set the fire in the hospital? If so, was it at TO's murderous instructions? Or, if he started seeing TO there in the first place, maybe he thought burning the place down would kill TO?


That's something I'd love to know too. I think it's likely that he did set it. Whether TO instigated it or Tim thought it was a way of fighting TO is a mystery. I don't know that it needs to be solved. It seems that there's something almost expressionistic about many of these episodes. The emotions of the characters are projected and even somewhat distorted and captured on film. My guess is that there're clues throughout everything we've seen so far, and the images are telling the story as much as (and in some cases even more than) the dialogue.

I'm sure none of this is helpful.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
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Well, given that it seems like Brian and Alex became really good friends, it wouldn't suprise me if Alex cleaned him up after killing him, to allow his friend some dignity after his death


As much as it would have ruined the drama, I'd have lost my shit if Alex had gelled up his hair and dressed him in a nice suit, too.


I love the entry as it is, but I think it would have made Alex's determination that much scarier if it had featured.

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Is anyone else worried that we won't get anymore solid answers to this series that we all love so much? It seems as if every entry since the reveal I've been sitting there with an anxious feeling that i'll never have answers we need.

The theories and speculations developed among the community, to put it bluntly, are run-of-the-mill pseudo fan fictions that are built off of people's imaginations rather than concrete evidence or facts. 90% of the time I read the theories posted on Unfiction and shrug my shoulders when I should be nodding my head saying, "That makes some sense, and I can see how you got there."

I know not everything must be answered, but we still should be given enough answers to allow ourselves to develop our own answers that make sense to others instead of causing fights and ridiculous theories that no one can prove right or wrong.

I'd like to know if anyone else feels something similar. I'm not angry, but i'm kind of concerned for the series because I enjoy it so much.


I guess we'll just have to wait for Marble Hornets: The Criterion Collection edition with a critical essay by Victor Surge to get more solid theories?

It's just what we're gonna get on a discussion board. I think almost none of us is wholly "right" (and I don't want to get into that "subjectity" and "opinion" crap, because relativism is the death of criticism), but even among many of the theories that I at least believe are way off I see some sort of perspective that casts a bit of light on something.

My own theory, which I've just made on another post to this thread, is that more answers than not are presented in the visual evidence that (IG) is caught on video, and that it's being left to at least suggest bridges over some gaps. (For example, did Tim set the fire in the Hospital? Visual evidence seems to suggest so. Did he do so because TO influenced him or to chase TO away? Dunno.) That's not bad storytelling at all--if anything, I think in some ways MH has been quite innovative--but it's not necessarily satisfying storytelling, now, is it?

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...and now I've made everyone more depressed Sad


Trust me, man, that's impossible.

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Brian was out there for three years and that left Alex plenty of time to dwell on who he was - that and well, he died slowly, humanising him to Alex quite a bit. I can understand him just waiting for Brian to die, but also just dealing that the last of his friends and his girlfriend was dead and just wanting to do something good for someone affected by this mess. (I think Jay was probably quick and sudden and Alex just didn't let himself proccess it, which probably also could have let him to do this)


"Doing something good for someone affected by this mess" seems like Alex's rationale for killing everyone but Tim. I don't think it's a big stretch to say that in his own way Alex thought he was being compassionate by taking them out. Plus he reasoned (it's not really a rationalization, because it seems that he was dead on) that in doing so he was stopping the contagion.

Why he let Jay go so long and even seemed to help him later is another matter. Maybe remorse bit him? (Also, Jay apparently didn't post anything in those missing seven months, so there was an effectual quarantine.)

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
[RANT] - On Topic

Is anyone else worried that we won't get anymore solid answers to this series that we all love so much? It seems as if every entry since the reveal I've been sitting there with an anxious feeling that i'll never have answers we need.

The theories and speculations developed among the community, to put it bluntly, are run-of-the-mill pseudo fan fictions that are built off of people's imaginations rather than concrete evidence or facts. 90% of the time I read the theories posted on Unfiction and shrug my shoulders when I should be nodding my head saying, "That makes some sense, and I can see how you got there."

I know not everything must be answered, but we still should be given enough answers to allow ourselves to develop our own answers that make sense to others instead of causing fights and ridiculous theories that no one can prove right or wrong.

I'd like to know if anyone else feels something similar. I'm not angry, but i'm kind of concerned for the series because I enjoy it so much.


I guess we'll just have to wait for Marble Hornets: The Criterion Collection edition with a critical essay by Victor Surge to get more solid theories?

It's just what we're gonna get on a discussion board. I think almost none of us is wholly "right" (and I don't want to get into that "subjectity" and "opinion" crap, because relativism is the death of criticism), but even among many of the theories that I at least believe are way off I see some sort of perspective that casts a bit of light on something.

My own theory, which I've just made on another post to this thread, is that more answers than not are presented in the visual evidence that (IG) is caught on video, and that it's being left to at least suggest bridges over some gaps. (For example, did Tim set the fire in the Hospital? Visual evidence seems to suggest so. Did he do so because TO influenced him or to chase TO away? Dunno.) That's not bad storytelling at all--if anything, I think in some ways MH has been quite innovative--but it's not necessarily satisfying storytelling, now, is it?


I understand that much of the MH story is told through the visuals which is entirely okay with me. I never expect a big sign or a person to tell us straight up an answer because that would be bad writing. Maybe I just have to look harder or look at something that was overlooked for being too obvious. I guess I just needed to get that rant off my chest and see what others thought.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Jordan wrote:
...and now I've made everyone more depressed Sad


Trust me, man, that's impossible.

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Brian was out there for three years and that left Alex plenty of time to dwell on who he was - that and well, he died slowly, humanising him to Alex quite a bit. I can understand him just waiting for Brian to die, but also just dealing that the last of his friends and his girlfriend was dead and just wanting to do something good for someone affected by this mess. (I think Jay was probably quick and sudden and Alex just didn't let himself proccess it, which probably also could have let him to do this)


"Doing something good for someone affected by this mess" seems like Alex's rationale for killing everyone but Tim. I don't think it's a big stretch to say that in his own way Alex thought he was being compassionate by taking them out. Plus he reasoned (it's not really a rationalization, because it seems that he was dead on) that in doing so he was stopping the contagion.

Why he let Jay go so long and even seemed to help him later is another matter. Maybe remorse bit him? (Also, Jay apparently didn't post anything in those missing seven months, so there was an effectual quarantine.)


It's possible that he thought that given the attention Brian and Masky were paying Jay, sooner or later they would show up and he'd be prepared to take them all out and end it completly.

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Jordan wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Jordan wrote:
...and now I've made everyone more depressed Sad


Trust me, man, that's impossible.

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Brian was out there for three years and that left Alex plenty of time to dwell on who he was - that and well, he died slowly, humanising him to Alex quite a bit. I can understand him just waiting for Brian to die, but also just dealing that the last of his friends and his girlfriend was dead and just wanting to do something good for someone affected by this mess. (I think Jay was probably quick and sudden and Alex just didn't let himself proccess it, which probably also could have let him to do this)


"Doing something good for someone affected by this mess" seems like Alex's rationale for killing everyone but Tim. I don't think it's a big stretch to say that in his own way Alex thought he was being compassionate by taking them out. Plus he reasoned (it's not really a rationalization, because it seems that he was dead on) that in doing so he was stopping the contagion.

Why he let Jay go so long and even seemed to help him later is another matter. Maybe remorse bit him? (Also, Jay apparently didn't post anything in those missing seven months, so there was an effectual quarantine.)


It's possible that he thought that given the attention Brian and Masky were paying Jay, sooner or later they would show up and he'd be prepared to take them all out and end it completly.


Oh, yeah. That's likely, and I don't think that Alex had ever intended to let Jay walk away. It was pretty clear that something had to be done. I just can't help but still wonder about his phone call in Entry #64... That seemed like an actual, honest-to-God warning.

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I've been suspecting for a long time now that there wouldn't be many answers. Can you blame the trio? Most of the audience is shouting at them that they shouldn't answer anything because it would somehow "ruin it."

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I do have a couple, yes (not counting the two biggies: WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE END OF ENTRY #12? and WHO WAS FILM[ING JAY DURING THE EVENTS OF ENTRY #13]?.

1. Did someone plant the camera in Alex and Amy's closet so that Amy would find it? I can't believe that Alex would be that careless if he'd made the connection between The Operator and filming. He seemed genuinely surprised when Amy confronted him with the video camera.

2. Did that video of TO's attack on Amy and Alex really take place on 4/4/2010? The timestamp can be changed, and if Alex had become aware of Jay's activity and was filming again, if only for a time, he could have changed it to make himself look like more of a victim. (Plus he already lied about needing to find Amy.)

3. Who was it who seemingly held Alex in a trance in Entry 22? I doubt it's TO (because the shadow that passed through Alex's head had a hand). My guess is Hoody. It could explain how the tape containing Seth's disappearance was left (my guess is by TTA/Hoody) in the Red Tower for Jay to find. Maybe Brian's disappearance didn't take, and when Hoody returned, Alex was told to get out of College Town and transfer, and maybe Hoody held on to the evidence as a kind of blackmail?

4. Did Seth find out about something in the tapes and at first try to alert Alex but later become seen either as a bit of a threat or as a primary source of TO contamination? (If so, maybe the roots of TTA actually emerged when Seth discovered something and started his own investigation, and maybe when Brian wasn't transported to Oppy Town but became Hoody, he discovered what had been going on? As Tim said in Entry #15, Seth and Brian had been good friends. So maybe Seth was the mystery cameraman in "Exit"?)

5. What's the IG origin of the Operator Symbol? Actually, that's poorly phrased, so let me rephrase. Did Alex somehow stumble upon some broader tradition related to TO, and maybe some of the Operator Symbols that were found (the one by the fountain thing) were actually from someone else long ago?

6. Even granting that somehow because of exposure to and contamination by TO the emotions of all those involved are able to be projected onto and recorded on video--and also granting that Alex had some apparent control over the teleporting, etc., because of his intimacy with TO--where did that one brief scene of Tim slumped beneath what appeared to be the stairs of his attic and someone coming down toward him with a flashlight in Entry #83 come from?

I don't care about all of the mysteries because I like the almost noirish effect on the series. I also don't think it's a terrible leap to have to make to declare Hoody some sort of fucked up, determined neo-ninja who has editing skills. Think Ghost Dog without the martial arts shit and with a film school education. But these six have been bugging me.

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I like to believe Alex himself put the camera in there for her to find and video tape her own TO encounter so he could play victim to Jay to get him to lure out Tim and Brian.

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Lithp wrote:
I've been suspecting for a long time now that there wouldn't be many answers. Can you blame the trio? Most of the audience is shouting at them that they shouldn't answer anything because it would somehow "ruin it."


It could, though, "ruin it" if the answers are handled incorrectly. Meanwhile, you can do a pretty damn great job of showing some poor fucks caught up in something that they still don't fully undestand yet are experiencing and tormented by it.

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What was the Ark? What was Tim's "secret" to which TTA referred? And, most importantly, WHAT HAPPENED TO ROCKY THE DOG?!?!?

also who was phone

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I like to believe Alex himself put the camera in there for her to find and video tape her own TO encounter so he could play victim to Jay to get him to lure out Tim and Brian.


That's assuming that he'd already known about Jay's channel. It could be that the events of that tape preceded the Marble Hornets channel. Either that or that the MH channel and TO's reappearance in Alex's life were independently triggered at the same time. OR that TTA set it up to get Alex back into everything. But this last one doesn't make sense unless you associate TTA with Brian/Hoody and hold taht Brian/Hoody was hell-bent on "justice" against Alex.

But even then, why not just kill him? Dunno. There's something really troubling about the whole thing.

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I don't think it was TTA because they didn't seem to have much luck finding Alex till he contacted Jay...at least Tim didn't. Maybe Hoody was not seen till later because he was hanging around Alex the whole time.

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3. Who was it who seemingly held Alex in a trance in Entry 22? I doubt it's TO (because the shadow that passed through Alex's head had a hand)


Since it was an accident that they decided to keep because it looked creepy, I'm not surprised that it's not completely accurate to The Operator's anatomy.

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It could, though, "ruin it" if the answers are handled incorrectly. Meanwhile, you can do a pretty damn great job of showing some poor fucks caught up in something that they still don't fully undestand yet are experiencing and tormented by it.


It could also ruin it if there aren't any answers. If that was the last Entry, they probably answered just enough for me to consider it a weak but passable ending. And then, if you consider that I wasn't expecting much because of the low budget of the series & also that my expectations were practically in freefall for Season 3, at several points asking for "anything to make The Operator kind of threatening again"...that's not very good.

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