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Lithp
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And why not compare MH and EMH? They're both brilliant in many ways, both flawed, both innovative, and both just about the only Slender-influenced series that I personally think are worth a damn.

Various reasons, most of which have to do with how people react to arguments. Some people hate EverymanHYBRID, some people get annoyed if I start sounding like a broken record, some people think Marble Hornets is too far beyond other Slendervlogs to be compared, some people don't know anything about EverymanHYBRID to begin with & so wouldn't understand the analogy, some people think they're just too different to be compared, etc. In general, I try to make cross-series something of a last resort. I don't know if it really makes the point more effectively, but that's my hope.

I think it's particularly touchy now with being so close to the end of Marble Hornets & some people (like me) essentially weighing its soul on the Scales of Judgment, plus they're coming out with a new thing, so people have a lot of hopes/reservations about that.

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Found Footage is limited because of the perspective of the camera, the lack of apparent context, and the editing that may be done to entries. It's a very, very, very limited genre to use for your first series. So for all of their flaws, I've gotta give the THAC boys props for Marble Hornets (most of it, anyway).

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:04 pm

lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:

OK... let me rephrase. Why shouldn't someone who respects and appreciates both series/ARE's compare them. I'm not coming at either from the gamer perspective. To me, all types of gaming achieved perfection in NHL '96 for the Sega Genesis (especially when you trade and put Coffey and Gretzky on the Bruins, because with Coffey on point and Gretzky at center you're pretty much unstoppable). I'm looking at MH almost completely as a webseries and EMH I guess as an ARE/webseries. They're very very very different both as series and as ARE's (or ARG's, but I really hate alphabet soup). But I think what they've both done with storytelling has been pretty remarkable. I appreciate the craft behind them.

Though I didn't care for EMH's special effects at the start and never liked the sirens when Slenderman appeared.

I think I lean more toward MH not only because it's the first one I watched and got into (I started late with all of them), but despite the at times justified slams against mystery seemingly for the sake of mystery and TO not doing a whole heck of a lot for about half the series run, I like the approach to visual storytelling. They have to work on the longer dialogue (again--I think a lot of their shorter exchanges are pretty phenomenal [I think Entry #64 is perfection], but at some point they'll have to refine the way they try to fill in backstory or draw connections, because in season three it was hit-or-miss), they have to plan better (which means drop the ARE/ARG component if they can't control the filming environment or their real life schedules), and they have to find a way of restraining the impulse to bombard the viewer with something spectacular and hide overlapped images and shit and hope that everyone catches it on the sixtieth rewatch (again, I think that there's actually a lot more in the visuals, which are doing a lot of the storytelling work).

I honestly also think that Troy et al. were using season three as a sort of laboratory to help them prepare for later projects. Entries #83 and #86 in particular. Killer editing. How much was needed for the story (well, I think a lot, but not everyone agrees with me here).

Or maybe being weaned on Twin Peaks and then coming of age as a cinephile by watching Mulholland Dr., Barton Fink, Dead Man, and the films of Jim Jarmsuch have conditioned my palatte to love surreal mysteries driven as much by emotion as by the actual pursuit and assemblage of clues, and a mixture of sparse, bleak minimalist sets and a brutal, ironic expressionism.

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I think it's particularly touchy now with being so close to the end of Marble Hornets & some people (like me) essentially weighing its soul on the Scales of Judgment, plus they're coming out with a new thing, so people have a lot of hopes/reservations about that.

Well, yeah. Smile

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Maybe this is why I haven't really noticed. Slendervlogs are essentially the first thing that I've seen using that format because I ignore things like "Paranormal Activity" like the plague, I don't really watch many Slendervlogs, & the ones I even attempt to watch tend to be known as fairly "high quality," like Marble Hornets & EverymanHYBRID, & also smaller-but-oft-boasted ones like Keratin Garden.

I am, however, pretty familiar with the Found Documents Trope in general--written, audio, etc.--since it now seems mandatory for videogames to use it.[/quote]

Except for video games and some detective stories, I never thought much of it till I saw The Blair Witch Project. That stunk. Then I saw The Last Broadcast, which came out at the same time. That stunk too (because there's an unexplained narrator perspective shift that makes no sense at the end--and also, if you think MH is stingy with the backstory or other explanatory elements that would make better connections, you should see this, because you'll find Troy et al. quite generous [HOW do you make a ninety-minute movie about guys who get massacred trying to find The Jersey Devil and NEVER ONCE MENTION THE MYTH OF THE JERSEY FUCKIN' DEVIL!]).

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:59 pm

lonsumtravlr
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I've got one!

Why was Alex such a lousy shot?

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:28 pm

leadmetodeath
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[quote="lonsumtravlr"]I do have a couple, yes (not counting the two biggies: WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE END OF ENTRY #12? and WHO WAS FILM[ING JAY DURING THE EVENTS OF ENTRY #13]?.

1. Did someone plant the camera in Alex and Amy's closet so that Amy would find it? I can't believe that Alex would be that careless if he'd made the connection between The Operator and filming. He seemed genuinely surprised when Amy confronted him with the video camera.

It could be Skully. Afterall, in Entry 26, Skully appear before the camera is on Amy possession.

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3. Who was it who seemingly held Alex in a trance in Entry 22? I doubt it's TO (because the shadow that passed through Alex's head had a hand). My guess is Hoody. It could explain how the tape containing Seth's disappearance was left (my guess is by TTA/Hoody) in the Red Tower for Jay to find. Maybe Brian's disappearance didn't take, and when Hoody returned, Alex was told to get out of College Town and transfer, and maybe Hoody held on to the evidence as a kind of blackmail?

From what I read in forgottenmhfacts.tumblr.com, it was actually an accident. The shadow was not suppose to be there.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:20 am
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leadmetodeath
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Lithp wrote:

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I don't think the Hoody Hut has been played up. It appeared in a couple of late entries after it'd already been established that Rosswood's topography isn't the most consistent where the Operator is involved.

Rephrase the question as you wish. There's still no apparent reason for things in Rosswood moving around. Nor does it make sense that the locals wouldn't notice this. If it doesn't add anything, it should probably be cut.

What is interesting about Hoody Hut? It is a place where Hoody stayed.

What's interesting about it is the fact that Jay and Tim is literary struggling to search that shack, or hut. Maybe they want to meet him?

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tl;dr: Brian has shown a lot of understandable decisions. It just takes a lot of digging through his code. But that seems to be the only way he can really communicate anymore.

Okay, so there may be an answer, but it is inaccessible to the bulk of the audience. I'm not sure if that's an improvement over the codes being apparently useless messages.

I am also interested in knowing why TTA feels it necessary to use codes. Is it just to fuck with/distract/stall Jay?

Maybe because Brian only wants Jay to be the only one who knows the info and don't want the other people like Alex found it. Or, he was actually send that to other TTA.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:07 am

leadmetodeath
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What's the Hoody Hut?

I don't know what do you mean when ask this, but do you wonder why he use so many shack at once? If you don't, at least I do. I think why he was using so many shack is to make him harder to be tracked. And he put pistol and medicine on different shacks. Maybe that Skully guy/Alex try to steal it (explaining the mess in Entry 73) from him but he would not allow it.

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What is "The Ark"?
What was Brian trying to accomplish with ToTheArk?

The Ark could be a person, I would still not waste that posibility. I don't know what could be accomplished with that, but it could kill TO or could revive all of them?

But I always think it like this. Water seemingly something that TO love, cause when Tim inside those water, he just keep teleporting. But The Ark use the water to escape death.
TO seems don't like fire so much. I mean, every after burning things happen, everyone seem to be fine and lost the slendersickness slowly (Though fire could symbolize a rash action like kill people etc). But when you use the ark, it instead turn off all the fire.
So what is the better way to destroy TO? Its to get between them. It's to get between fire and water. Fire and water could work together if they want to.

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Why didn't Brian buy his own gun?

Because he don't have money. Problem solved!

If The Operator caused both "Hoody" & "Masky," then why doesn't Alex have an alter ego that fights crime?

Maybe because they are different.

Why did Alex only burn some of the tapes?
How did all of the people that Alex failed to kill survive?

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Why did Tim & Brian abduct Jessica?

I still think it wasn't Brian who abduct her, especially he helps her by beating Alex after that. Maybe it was Skully.
But Tim's intention is really should be questioned. Why after he save them, he abduct her?

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Why didn't Alex get rid of that camera?

Maybe he did. Until Skully put it into his closet and Amy found it.

Just to add more info into here, Brian was seriously surrounded with water element. River, probably lake, his bottles filled with water. And one that people has probably ignore, his yellow bucket. His yellow bucket also probably the only reason why he can always find his shack again. I mean, it's forest. Found a yellow bucket when you inside a forest is surely weird as well.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:24 am

Zarggg
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lonsumtravlr wrote:

Except for video games and some detective stories, I never thought much of [found footage] till I saw The Blair Witch Project. That stunk.

That was my own (and I suspect many others') introduction to the Found Footage trope, and I believe that most people generally thought it was a poor film. That's why our culture has collectively been wary of such films. Paranormal Activity was a fluke, but there's still a pretty sheer divide between those who love it and hate it. The sequels were not as fortunate, in my opinion.

lonsumtravlr wrote:

HOW do you make a ninety-minute movie about guys who get massacred trying to find The Jersey Devil and NEVER ONCE MENTION THE MYTH OF THE JERSEY FUCKIN' DEVIL!

I know exactly what you mean. Decent horror movie, but I feel they missed the point.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:24 am

aidansean
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Zarggg wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Except for video games and some detective stories, I never thought much of [found footage] till I saw The Blair Witch Project. That stunk.

Huh. I loved (and still love) the Blair Witch Project. I find the idea of being trapped in the woods, slowly starving to death and then being taken absolutely terrifying.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:30 am

Lithp
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Re: I've got one!

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Why was Alex such a lousy shot?

Didn't eat his carrots.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:48 pm

lonsumtravlr
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Zarggg wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Except for video games and some detective stories, I never thought much of [found footage] till I saw The Blair Witch Project. That stunk.

lonsumtravlr wrote:

HOW do you make a ninety-minute movie about guys who get massacred trying to find The Jersey Devil and NEVER ONCE MENTION THE MYTH OF THE JERSEY FUCKIN' DEVIL!

I know exactly what you mean. Decent horror movie, but I feel they missed the point.

Coming at the end of the flashiest, most worthless decade of American history, with its conspiracy and paranoia fixation at an all-time high, The Last Broadcast coulda been a great movie. I rewatched it almost two years ago for the first time since 1999. Despite the lack of the mention of the background myth, it was actually very, very tight at the start. In fact, all the clues for the solution to the mystery are present throughout. A little slow in pacing, but otherwise pretty tight.

And then. That. Ending.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:42 pm

lonsumtravlr
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aidansean wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Except for video games and some detective stories, I never thought much of [found footage] till I saw The Blair Witch Project. That stunk.

Huh. I loved (and still love) the Blair Witch Project. I find the idea of being trapped in the woods, slowly starving to death and then being taken absolutely terrifying.

I like the lost in the woods genre too. But I'll take MH Entries #40 or #64 to Blair Witch any day.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:09 pm

Lithp
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The real horror in the woods is ticks. Ticks, everywhere! Ticks, as far as the eye can see! You think you see a shadow? Nope! Just a huge mass of ticks!

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:18 pm

lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:

The real horror in the woods is ticks. Ticks, everywhere! Ticks, as far as the eye can see! You think you see a shadow? Nope! Just a huge mass of ticks!

I couldn't help but think of this: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x69aot_exit-57-tick_fun.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:41 pm

TheJoker
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I thought of this, despite not having watched it more than once or twice:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:48 pm

searchanddestroy
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Theory on antique store

device wrote:

3. Was the antique store a superhuge giant red herring?
He went to the trouble of breaking in and taking pics... and the piles of old cameras and the weird pic of the man with two plain cirlces for eyes... was it all just a set up for suggesting that TO has been around a while, even before Tim? And Tim was just the unlucky guy who contracted the TO "disease"?

After watching entry 86 when Tim mentions how there could have been more people infected, it gave me an idea on the antique store. I think it was there to show how far back TO has infected the area. All the cameras could of been other people who where paranoid filming and/or taking pictures of themselves just as Alex and Jay have done out of paranoia from being stalked by TO. in my opinion the contents of the store is evidence of the areas residents being stalked by TO for many years. I'll have to agree with your theory that it was to show just how long and extensive TO's reign of terror truly was.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:53 pm

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