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Lithp
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 		Couple of problems there:

1. Chicken & egg. Did Tim being a loner make him vulnerable to The Operator, or did The Operator make Tim more of a loner? The same could be said of Jay.

2. Everyone is a bit of a loner at times, & we don't really see much of Alex's personality pre-Marble Hornets. Plus, you could gain enough information to argue that his personality is more extroverted. He's making a movie, he's dating Amy, he doesn't seem to have any problems meeting with his actors....

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lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:
Couple of problems there:

1. Chicken & egg. Did Tim being a loner make him vulnerable to The Operator, or did The Operator make Tim more of a loner? The same could be said of Jay.

2. Everyone is a bit of a loner at times, & we don't really see much of Alex's personality pre-Marble Hornets. Plus, you could gain enough information to argue that his personality is more extroverted. He's making a movie, he's dating Amy, he doesn't seem to have any problems meeting with his actors....


Oh, granted on both. But I think that if the evidence for TO somehow latching onto insecurity (and fear, yeah, but this isn't just an instance of a fear-eater--TO's not, say, BOB from Twin Peaks) is circumstantial, it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence. As for Jay--I think he's really a victim of circumstance more than anything else. Circumstance and his apparent inability to have to know the truth or to have a solution that satisfies him. (You're gonna BURN the TAPES! NO! Give 'em to ME! WHY NOT? NO! DON'T BURN them! NO! NO! Thanks very much! Wait, why you strangling me?)

(You can adapt for getting Alex to give him Jessica's phone number or for Jay's repeated investigations even when he knows that he should just leave things be and maybe get a nice internship with Focus Pictures or go back to school for a certificate in data mining.)

As for #2: "extroversion" does not preclude social awkwardness or signal acceptance or popularity. It also doesn't preclude insecurity. I wish they'd given more suggestions toward this, because Entry #84 seemed a bit late in the game to flesh out at all Alex's pre-MH life. It made him to be not merely a pretentious, self-important film student with some sort of delusion that his vision was equivalent to his talent. It made him out to be a bit of a loser as well. At least, that's how I saw it. He preserved his dignity by putting aside his (much cooler) friend's obvious (though obviously sincere and well-intentioned) charity.

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Lithp
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 		I admit that I mostly chose "extroversion" because I couldn't think of a better word.

I honestly don't know what on Earth they were trying to do with The Operator.

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Lithp wrote:
I admit that I mostly chose "extroversion" because I couldn't think of a better word.

I honestly don't know what on Earth they were trying to do with The Operator.


I don't either, except that whatever TO is, TO is an eldritch horror. That and MH Season Three is a laboratory for Trosephim to experiment not only with writing and acting but also with special effects and editing and using those two to tell the story as much visually as orally.

On that cheeseburger, be sure you get habanero cheddar. Mmm.

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 		Why is Alex Kralie the only character whose surname we know?

I know the "Ark Lie" theory, but that anagram is just too cute and film school pretentious.

I'm guessing that Jay's full IG name is "Jay Troy Wagner."

And that Tim W. is "Tim Wutton."

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Osttle
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 		Tim wagner. whats brians last name?
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lonsumtravlr
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 		[quote="Osttle"]Tim wagner. whats brians last name?[/quote

Moody.

Or did you mean the actor?

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TheManPF
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 		So, I was rewatching the series and got to #33...

How the fuck did Brian/Tim know the password for Jay's safe?

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Jordan
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Lithp wrote:
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I don't think the Hoody Hut has been played up. It appeared in a couple of late entries after it'd already been established that Rosswood's topography isn't the most consistent where the Operator is involved.


Rephrase the question as you wish. There's still no apparent reason for things in Rosswood moving around. Nor does it make sense that the locals wouldn't notice this. If it doesn't add anything, it should probably be cut.



I'm okay with the lack of an explanation regarding Rosswood - it can just be put down to spoooky Operator shennigans. As for the locals, well, it's a reoccuring horror trope that a person experiences the supernatural while others remain oblivious to it. I think your overthinking it, personally Smile

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Jordan wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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I don't think the Hoody Hut has been played up. It appeared in a couple of late entries after it'd already been established that Rosswood's topography isn't the most consistent where the Operator is involved.


Rephrase the question as you wish. There's still no apparent reason for things in Rosswood moving around. Nor does it make sense that the locals wouldn't notice this. If it doesn't add anything, it should probably be cut.



I'm okay with the lack of an explanation regarding Rosswood - it can just be put down to spoooky Operator shennigans. As for the locals, well, it's a reoccuring horror trope that a person experiences the supernatural while others remain oblivious to it. I think your overthinking it, personally Smile


That's true. But I'm hoping that we all can agree--including those of us (like me) who are defending the THAC boys on pretty much everything while also rebutting all negative with "Hey, it's their first pop culture phenomenon!"--that the antique store, the used cameras (NOT ALL OF WHICH were "antiques" as someone asked earlier, I think on this thread--if you mean that things from the Nineties are "antique," then all Millennials be doomed, good God), and that old charcoal drawing with all the detail except for the face on the humanoid figure (which very well could have been some very old portrait at least of a local legend) were just not enough background legend to establish The Operator in Rosswood Town. This is the one and only instance I'll say EMH did better than MH: the guys in the former went to the library and did a little online research. Joseph's forest torture story wasn't a TO origin--if anything, like Jessica's nightmares and Tim's statement that Brian saw dead (and disemboweled?) animals on his lawn are little tips of the THAC hat to Victor Surge while also staking out their own legend. But something more was needed here other than the hospital. Even if you agree with me (as I know that many don't) that many more clues were visual and were recorded on the footage, something still quite minimal but more than the Antique Store could and should have been given us. To me, it's the biggest flaw in the story. (That and there are a couple of places where TO looks kinda goofy, but they get the Lo Budget Pass on that one.) It woulda been nice to have played up just a bit more how maybe TO's continued presence in the area may have been responsible for some local disorder and decay. But that wasn't needed. But something of a background without an origin was needed.

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Lithp
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Jordan wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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I don't think the Hoody Hut has been played up. It appeared in a couple of late entries after it'd already been established that Rosswood's topography isn't the most consistent where the Operator is involved.


Rephrase the question as you wish. There's still no apparent reason for things in Rosswood moving around. Nor does it make sense that the locals wouldn't notice this. If it doesn't add anything, it should probably be cut.



I'm okay with the lack of an explanation regarding Rosswood - it can just be put down to spoooky Operator shennigans. As for the locals, well, it's a reoccuring horror trope that a person experiences the supernatural while others remain oblivious to it. I think your overthinking it, personally Smile


I don't watch a lot of horror because I think the writing is usually bad, so that's not really helping their case. Another recurring Trope is the Law of Conservation of Detail. Drawing attention to meaningless shit is distracting.

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Dacad
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 		Hey guys, I'm writing a lengthy review of the series, and I was wondering if you could all help me. I'm going to focus on the mysteries of the series, and on how well they were resolved. What I'm asking for is what everybody thinks are the important mysteries. So far I have:
- What is the Operator? and variants of the question.
- Who is Hoody?
- Why was Alex killing everybody?
- What happened to Jessica?
- What is up with the symbol and pills?
- the ending

I'm not asking for a comprehensive list, but just a short list of the most important mysteries.[/list]

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 		My list of unanswered questions.

1. What the fuck is the operator?
2. What was the Operator's deal with making Tim's life a living hell?
3. How did Tim know where to find Jessica after she disappeared after her body was taken by the Operator?
4. What the hell is the Ark?
5. Who was the guy in the skull mask?
6. What happened in the 2 events in the final entry when Tim was coughing with Jessica asking if Tim was ok, and when Tim was driving off giving us that "Everything is fine" bullshit? Did the operator show up and say "Gee Tim, sorry about what I did." Did Tim go into Masky-mode again and kill Jessica? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED????
7. What makes Tim the "source?" Did his parents do some satanic ritual or something?

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Neoclimax wrote:
My list of unanswered questions.

1. What the fuck is the operator?
2. What was the Operator's deal with making Tim's life a living hell?
3. How did Tim know where to find Jessica after she disappeared after her body was taken by the Operator?
4. What the hell is the Ark?
5. Who was the guy in the skull mask?
6. What happened in the 2 events in the final entry when Tim was coughing with Jessica asking if Tim was ok, and when Tim was driving off giving us that "Everything is fine" bullshit? Did the operator show up and say "Gee Tim, sorry about what I did." Did Tim go into Masky-mode again and kill Jessica? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED????
7. What makes Tim the "source?" Did his parents do some satanic ritual or something?


#4: D'oh! How did I forget that one?

The symbol I've chalked up to what Tv Tropes calls an Aborted Arc, that is, they were going to do something with it but just never got around to. I'm assuming the same with Skully.

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Lithp
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Dacad wrote:
Hey guys, I'm writing a lengthy review of the series, and I was wondering if you could all help me. I'm going to focus on the mysteries of the series, and on how well they were resolved. What I'm asking for is what everybody thinks are the important mysteries. So far I have:
- What is the Operator? and variants of the question.
- Who is Hoody?
- Why was Alex killing everybody?
- What happened to Jessica?
- What is up with the symbol and pills?
- the ending

I'm not asking for a comprehensive list, but just a short list of the most important mysteries.[/list]


I would put it at:

What is The Operator, what does it do (mind control, causing anger, what?), & why does it do the things that it does (teleporting/kidnapping/memory erasure/etc.)? Why does it sometimes leave people alone & sometimes not?

Who is Totheark, why are they so cryptic, & what do they want? This later becomes questions about Tim/Masky & Brian/Hoody, & whether or not their motives/alliances were consistent.

What happened to to the missing characters? Which later becomes why Alex was killing & why some of his victims (Tim/Brian/Jay/Jessica) survived, sometimes multiple attempts, but others didn't.

What is the significance of Tim's medical documents & the pills? What, if anything, do the pills do against The Operator & why?

What is the significance of the recurring areas--Rosswood, Benedict Hall, & the tunnel? Why did The Operator lurk at the Rosswood & specifically the tunnel, & why did Alex choose to kill Tim at Benedict Hall?

What is the significance of the symbol & other crazy writings? Was it just Alex writing them?

How much did Tim know? How much was he conscious about what he did while he wore the mask?

What is the Distortion & what causes it? A significant point here is that we eventually find out that some distortion, such as the removed audio, is false.

What happened in the very last Entry?

What is the Operatorverse?

That is everything I can think of from the beginning that I would say was ever a "major mystery," whether it was resolved or not. It's a tough list to make because a lot of things can be related, depending on how broad you go. For instance, I would classify "What is the Ark?" under "What did Totheark want?"

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