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[THEORY] Everyone involved has to die, and they all know it
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Marble Hornets
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 		[THEORY] Everyone involved has to die, and they all know it
I'm too lazy to type it all in depth, so I'll try to summarize.


At some point, Alex finds out that it's very important that everyone the operator has ever come into contact with has to die for the operator to finally leave. Hoody knows this as well. So does Tim.

Hoody: Hoody knows people have to inevitably die, but doesn't want to do it himself. He doesn't want blood on his hands, which is why he hesitates in killing Alex. He realizes that nobody wants to be in this situation, not even Alex, and can't muster up the courage to kill him, probably paired with past memories of innocent Alex who he considered a friend. He purposely takes Tim's pills and lets him go masky, knowing that he will attack others for him, in hopes that they will kill each other so he doesn't have to. Hoody blames Alex for everything because Alex got Jay involved, who in turn got Jessica involved. I think Hoody truly didn't want anyone to die, and tried to find a way to prevent it if at all possible.

Jay: Hoody knew that once Alex baited Jay into the college, that he was going to get held up at gunpoint and shot. He didn't interfere because he knew Jay had to die. He wanted Jay to find out what was happening before he died, but all his attempts failed. He didn't want to tell Jay anything flat out, as Jay would come to realize that he himself had to die, and would potentially become hostile to the point where he would kill Hoody, thinking he will be saving his own life in case Hoody decided to kill him first. However, if Jay found all of this out on his own, he would understand WHY he has to die, and wouldn't question it.

Alex:Alex knows all of this too, and sees it as a means to an end. He doesn't *want* to kill Jessica, but knows he has to. He attempts to live with the operator in his life rather than flat out kill Jay, Tim, or anyone else, for a while. It's not until he thinks Jay has turned on him, paired with Jay potentially getting more people involved, that he knows Jay has to die. He lures Jay and Tim into a trap at the college, and gets the job done.

Tim: Tim has lived with the operator for most of his life, and is the reason he is involved with everyone. He had very few friends, so it's not impossible that he is the reason Brian is involved. He most likely saw Alex attack him in the footage he had, and has hated Alex ever since (even if that could have been Alex not acting on his own accord)


Tim, Alex, and Hoody all know they do things in their masky state based on the footage they have of themselves. I think the reason they wear masks is to prevent anyone potentially filming their face doing a bad deed. In the masky state, people can not be held accountable for their actions.


Another loose part of the theory is that the operator makes people disappear so that when they inevitably turn masky, that they don't end up seeking out and killing one of his other pawns. He erases their memories so they forget he, along with his other pawns, are even a part of their lives

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 		I don't know how likely it is, but it is plausible. For a while I entertained a theory that the reason Alex was doing what he was doing was that the only way to stop TO was to eliminate all of its 'anchors'. So Alex's plan was to kill everyone who'd come in contact with The Operator, and then himself. That would force TO out of our reality, and back to wherever it came from.

I discarded that theory when it became clear they were aiming for story wherein the whole mess starts and ends with Tim.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
I don't know how likely it is, but it is plausible. For a while I entertained a theory that the reason Alex was doing what he was doing was that the only way to stop TO was to eliminate all of its 'anchors'. So Alex's plan was to kill everyone who'd come in contact with The Operator, and then himself. That would force TO out of our reality, and back to wherever it came from.

I discarded that theory when it became clear they were aiming for story wherein the whole mess starts and ends with Tim.


It's still highly plausible, though. My thought is that the "YOUR FAULT" notes in Entry #83 were Alex somehow projecting his rage at Tim and trying to make him as well as Hoody suffer as they were warped around. (I know we didn't see him there, but Alex is intimate with TO, and maybe he has some sort of emotional bond or just some sort of pact through which he could manipulate things.)

I just wonder how then there will ever be closure if someone has to upload the final entry. If all have to die, then how will we know? Will there be a video suicide note? How will there be confirmation that he actually went through with it? (I haven't yet found The Operator's twitter account.)

Also, if cameras and video equipment are how TO finds new prey, then haven't Jay, Tim, and TTA exposed all of us (at least IG--I know this is some sort of fourth wall breaking)? If that's referenced in the final entry, it would be a kind of lame, even cliche way to close out.

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 		The only thing that bugs me is the "Alex and Brihoody have a masky state." They're probably like this because both are/were (if Brian is dead) literally insane at some point.
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 		Re: [THEORY] Everyone involved has to die, and they all know it
Marble Hornets wrote:
I'm too lazy to type it all in depth, so I'll try to summarize.


At some point, Alex finds out that it's very important that everyone the operator has ever come into contact with has to die for the operator to finally leave. Hoody knows this as well. So does Tim.

Hoody: Hoody knows people have to inevitably die, but doesn't want to do it himself. He doesn't want blood on his hands, which is why he hesitates in killing Alex. He realizes that nobody wants to be in this situation, not even Alex, and can't muster up the courage to kill him, probably paired with past memories of innocent Alex who he considered a friend. He purposely takes Tim's pills and lets him go masky, knowing that he will attack others for him, in hopes that they will kill each other so he doesn't have to. Hoody blames Alex for everything because Alex got Jay involved, who in turn got Jessica involved. I think Hoody truly didn't want anyone to die, and tried to find a way to prevent it if at all possible.

Jay: Hoody knew that once Alex baited Jay into the college, that he was going to get held up at gunpoint and shot. He didn't interfere because he knew Jay had to die. He wanted Jay to find out what was happening before he died, but all his attempts failed. He didn't want to tell Jay anything flat out, as Jay would come to realize that he himself had to die, and would potentially become hostile to the point where he would kill Hoody, thinking he will be saving his own life in case Hoody decided to kill him first. However, if Jay found all of this out on his own, he would understand WHY he has to die, and wouldn't question it.

Alex:Alex knows all of this too, and sees it as a means to an end. He doesn't *want* to kill Jessica, but knows he has to. He attempts to live with the operator in his life rather than flat out kill Jay, Tim, or anyone else, for a while. It's not until he thinks Jay has turned on him, paired with Jay potentially getting more people involved, that he knows Jay has to die. He lures Jay and Tim into a trap at the college, and gets the job done.

Tim: Tim has lived with the operator for most of his life, and is the reason he is involved with everyone. He had very few friends, so it's not impossible that he is the reason Brian is involved. He most likely saw Alex attack him in the footage he had, and has hated Alex ever since (even if that could have been Alex not acting on his own accord)


Tim, Alex, and Hoody all know they do things in their masky state based on the footage they have of themselves. I think the reason they wear masks is to prevent anyone potentially filming their face doing a bad deed. In the masky state, people can not be held accountable for their actions.


Another loose part of the theory is that the operator makes people disappear so that when they inevitably turn masky, that they don't end up seeking out and killing one of his other pawns. He erases their memories so they forget he, along with his other pawns, are even a part of their lives


The coughing makes me still support this theory.
They're sick, they're contagious, and the only way to stop the spreading is with death.

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 		Plausible.
The sickness does not kill, but spreads?
So would the assumption be that the pills prolong their life then?

One small note, wouldn't this imply that Brian, long ago, would have already began encountering TO? We never see him coughing and he sure seems like a pretty up-beat guy, not really worried about anything without any attached paranoia...

What could be an extension is that they do *not* die from the TO-infectation, but overtime they turn into proxies, thus Alex's drive to kill them before they turn. Unfortunately he too was late at the game and has already 'turned'. In any way, I was under the assumption that this was a pretty common entry-level theory.

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ziggazern wrote:
Plausible.
The sickness does not kill, but spreads?
So would the assumption be that the pills prolong their life then?

One small note, wouldn't this imply that Brian, long ago, would have already began encountering TO? We never see him coughing and he sure seems like a pretty up-beat guy, not really worried about anything without any attached paranoia...

What could be an extension is that they do *not* die from the TO-infectation, but overtime they turn into proxies, thus Alex's drive to kill them before they turn. Unfortunately he too was late at the game and has already 'turned'. In any way, I was under the assumption that this was a pretty common entry-level theory.



Jay wasn't really coughing too much until season 3 if i'm recalling correctly. Coughing seems to be an immediate reaction to the operator's appearance, not really a symptom of the long term sickness.

I have never seen this theory made. I've seen some that have little bits and pieces that I've used, but never a theory where they all know that they have to kill each other.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
ziggazern wrote:
Plausible.
The sickness does not kill, but spreads?
So would the assumption be that the pills prolong their life then?

One small note, wouldn't this imply that Brian, long ago, would have already began encountering TO? We never see him coughing and he sure seems like a pretty up-beat guy, not really worried about anything without any attached paranoia...

What could be an extension is that they do *not* die from the TO-infectation, but overtime they turn into proxies, thus Alex's drive to kill them before they turn. Unfortunately he too was late at the game and has already 'turned'. In any way, I was under the assumption that this was a pretty common entry-level theory.



Jay wasn't really coughing too much until season 3 if i'm recalling correctly. Coughing seems to be an immediate reaction to the operator's appearance, not really a symptom of the long term sickness.

I have never seen this theory made. I've seen some that have little bits and pieces that I've used, but never a theory where they all know that they have to kill each other.


True, the theory of them knowing that they have to kill each other is indeed a new addition.
So why kill the guy by the tunnel? He saw TO and since he is no home-boy, it is cool to kill him?

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Jay wasn't really coughing too much until season 3 if i'm recalling correctly. Coughing seems to be an immediate reaction to the operator's appearance, not really a symptom of the long term sickness.


Jay had some coughing fits in Season 1, particularly in Entry #16. It's mainly on Twitter that he mentions his downward health spiral.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Jay wasn't really coughing too much until season 3 if i'm recalling correctly. Coughing seems to be an immediate reaction to the operator's appearance, not really a symptom of the long term sickness.


Jay had some coughing fits in Season 1, particularly in Entry #16. It's mainly on Twitter that he mentions his downward health spiral.



are we really gonna pretend like the operator wasn't in the house in entry 16

i don't recall him mentioning coughing fits on twitter

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ziggazern wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
ziggazern wrote:
Plausible.
The sickness does not kill, but spreads?
So would the assumption be that the pills prolong their life then?

One small note, wouldn't this imply that Brian, long ago, would have already began encountering TO? We never see him coughing and he sure seems like a pretty up-beat guy, not really worried about anything without any attached paranoia...

What could be an extension is that they do *not* die from the TO-infectation, but overtime they turn into proxies, thus Alex's drive to kill them before they turn. Unfortunately he too was late at the game and has already 'turned'. In any way, I was under the assumption that this was a pretty common entry-level theory.



Jay wasn't really coughing too much until season 3 if i'm recalling correctly. Coughing seems to be an immediate reaction to the operator's appearance, not really a symptom of the long term sickness.

I have never seen this theory made. I've seen some that have little bits and pieces that I've used, but never a theory where they all know that they have to kill each other.


True, the theory of them knowing that they have to kill each other is indeed a new addition.
So why kill the guy by the tunnel? He saw TO and since he is no home-boy, it is cool to kill him?



masky alex

the same way tim goes to rosswood park when he turns masky, alex goes to the tunnel

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Marble Hornets wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Jay wasn't really coughing too much until season 3 if i'm recalling correctly. Coughing seems to be an immediate reaction to the operator's appearance, not really a symptom of the long term sickness.


Jay had some coughing fits in Season 1, particularly in Entry #16. It's mainly on Twitter that he mentions his downward health spiral.



are we really gonna pretend like the operator wasn't in the house in entry 16

i don't recall him mentioning coughing fits on twitter


Not pretending that at all. He didn't mention coughing so much (if at all) that I remember reading, but he mentioned headaches, fever, and other maladies.

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 		Jay reports no sickness or noticeable memory loss for 3 years after Alex sacrifices him

Interviews Tim

Goes to house that he was lured to by most likely tim or totheark, now gets sick immediately

Put two and two together, operator had to be there




Actually, if it was Tim (most likely, given that tim was clearly supposed to be TTA in season 1), Tim luring Jay to the house to take him out ties into this theory very well. He finds out Jay knows about the operator, figures he's involved.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Jay reports no sickness or noticeable memory loss for 3 years after Alex sacrifices him

Interviews Tim

Goes to house that he was lured to by most likely tim or totheark, now gets sick immediately


The following are Jay's Twitter feeds posted on the MH Wiki. All predate Entry #15.

Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:48 PM: Feeling very disorganized.

Sunday, July 26, 2009, 8:00 PM (following first TTA reply, "Regards"): Very sick. 104 fever. Need to sleep instead of looking through the tapes.

Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:23 AM (shortly after posting "Entry #11"): Feeling sick again.

Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:13 PM (soon before posting "Entry #12"): Been sick for the past week. Still looking for entry 12.

Wednesday, September 11, 2009, 3:01 PM (shortly after posting "Entry #13"): For those asking, I did go to the doctor the other day. Couldn't find anything wrong with me.

Two days after TTA response to "Entry #13," "Exit," is posted: Could not sleep at all last night. Shaking. Thinking of going back to the doctor again.



The causes can be debated, but the way the twitter dialogue was written and posted at least suggests that some sort of Slendy Sickness may have been starting to affect Jay.


Marble Hornets wrote:
Put two and two together, operator had to be there


Again, I have no doubt that TO was in that house in more than spirit.

Marble Hornets wrote:
Actually, if it was Tim (most likely, given that tim was clearly supposed to be TTA in season 1), Tim luring Jay to the house to take him out ties into this theory very well. He finds out Jay knows about the operator, figures he's involved.


But after Entry #18, Tim as Masky apparently abducts Jay and takes him to the house, where Jay sits in a trance as TO walks right by. Have no idea what that means, but it doesn't seem as if TO was interested or even regarding Jay. Maybe Tim decided that Jay was no longer a threat and set up the video to show him something about how TO works? (This theory was posted by someone to the Wiki, and it seems plausible. though in no way definite.)

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 		I really like this idea. It coincides with a crack theory I've had for a while that "The Ark" is death.
It's late, so this may be a little whacky, but I've always associated "ark" with safety of sorts; a shelter or what have you. If the Operator will never cease to follow you, the only way to get away is to die. Conversely, the only way to get keep other people safe is to die so you can't spread it.
In "Decay", TTA says "Lead me to death. Lead me to the ark". "Find Alex, Find the Ark" ended up with Jay dead. I think it's totally plausible that Hoody and Alex know that everyone needs to die, but while Hoody has been subtly hinting at it, Alex is getting his own hands dirty.

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