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Geneaux486
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Re: Tim and Brian

commodore64 wrote:
Something about cameras?


Something about cameras.

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Also, why did Brian never snap out of Hoody mode like Tim did? Hoody took pills. Maybe they didn't work as well for him as they do for Tim?


Well we don't know for sure that he didn't ever snap out of it. 'Course even if he did, maybe he still knew what was going on in his normal state like Tim does for the second half of season 3.

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I get that Tim was trying to protect Jessica from a stubborn Jay, but could he not have stopped Jay's being killed if he had just told Jay that Jessica was alive but wished to remain anonymous?


I think Jay trying to see her would have been too big a risk. He means well, but he has a habit of taking the initiative, and sometimes it's when he shouldn't.

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Geneaux486
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smog wrote:
So...who in the he'll is tta? Was it Brian?


Tim and Brian together.

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Ok seriously Troy lied to us. He Shyamalan'd the heck out of the series with this. New theory the whole thing's a dream and Hoody is Jessica.

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DHawk314
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I don't see what's terrible about the ending itself though. Tim knowing that Jessica was alive and hiding it from Jay makes perfect sense, especially when looking at an actual huge plot point in the series, which is Tim hiding the Jessica tape from Jay in 75. He couldn't reveal it until everyone else was gone. Now he can.

But the entry also serves as an epilogue to 86, which is a completely satisfying ending of the story to me, and it basically says "It's over, life goes on." Which, after the hero kills the bad guy, is basically how all movies end. Except that Tim's gonna have this disease forever, which the plot has established can be controlled.

What's shitty about the ending?
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Re: Tim and Brian

So why was Tim filming Jay and Alex way back in Exit?

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I think Jay trying to see her would have been too big a risk. He means well, but he has a habit of taking the initiative, and sometimes it's when he shouldn't.


Sure.. But maybe Tim could have waited for a lucid moment for Jay on the pills and then told him Jessica was fine? Worst case scenario, Jay keeps looking, but best case, Jay goes home.

Tim has to have known that Jay would't stop, so why not level with him? There would be a a better chance of Jay listening to reason if he believed Jessica was safe. As long as Tim withheld that, Jay would never break off his search.

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a: Tim killed Jessica and killed himself after uploading the video per Alex's warning
b: Tim is living out a miserable life to "contain" the Operator
Either way, The Operator is still stalking Tim, and we still have no idea why it followed him his whole life.

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Geneaux486
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Re: Tim and Brian

GreyGhost119 wrote:
So why was Tim filming Jay and Alex way back in Exit?


Good question. He may have just still been having those episodes of his.

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TheManPF
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DHawk314 wrote:
What's shitty about the ending?

DHawk314 wrote:
it basically says "It's over, life goes on." Which, after the hero kills the bad guy, is basically how all movies end.


That's exactly it

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Geneaux486
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commodore64 wrote:
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I think Jay trying to see her would have been too big a risk. He means well, but he has a habit of taking the initiative, and sometimes it's when he shouldn't.


Sure.. But maybe Tim could have waited for a lucid moment for Jay on the pills and then told him Jessica was fine? Worst case scenario, Jay keeps looking, but best case, Jay goes home.

Tim has to have known that Jay would't stop, so why not level with him? There would be a a better chance of Jay listening to reason if he believed Jessica was safe. As long as Tim withheld that, Jay would never break off his search.


He and Jay had the immediate problem of Alex to deal with. In any case, I still think Jay is too big of a risk-factor to trust with any information you absolutely do *not* want him following up on. He's a well-meaning busy-body who often times doesn't learn from his own mistakes.

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I quite liked it, but I'm a big fan of ambiguous endings.

It really did bring up some interesting questions...
I wonder just how long Tim's known Jessica, and how much of what he did (disguised as Masky?) to protect her? So, at the woodshed he intervened just to keep Jess from being shot?

It's quite likely, since Amy went to that college and was Jess's roomate, and Alex transferred there later, that Tim might have become acquainted with Jess. I'm sure Tim and Brian were keeping an eye on him.

Due to her amnesia, Jessica probably only remembers Jay from those few days at the hotel. He never showed her the youtube channel, or explained what was actually happening. Therefore, Tim could make up any story he wanted and she would believe it.

At least he made sure she was getting the anti-TO meds, just in case.
I wonder if he attacked her. I heard the sirens too, and there was no more footage of her in the video.

I wonder, now that TO is denied his former puppet, is he focusing all his attention on Tim? And Tim is barely able to control himself, even with his meds? All that distortion, even the slight static noises when he was handling the mask... it doesn't bode too well. Maybe he was trying to take TO away from the area?

Who else thinks that Tim didn't end up driving away... that he ended up turning right into the woods?

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Lost's finale was a wonderful piece of film. It's a fantastically cathartic rumination upon fate, loss, trauma, and the cursory nature of meaning. And it's all because of how well the characters of the show had been developed over six years. Six years, these broken people had found their ways into our hearts and minds, and the way that they tried to fix themselves - whether they failed or succeeded - was always more interesting than the mysterious stuff that happened to them while they tried to do something.

It was a show, in the end, about interesting people in a strange situation.

Marble Hornets has been a show about names in an interesting situation. There were no interesting people in Marble Hornets because there were no characters in Marble Hornets, just names with vaguely ascribed traits. No character arcs. No catharsis. No emotional stakes. Just a mysterious sequence of events.

You can pull a Lost ending if your characters are worth a damn. You cannot get by just ignoring the mystery when the entire dramatic propulsion of your story is based upon that mystery. All you do then is bring it to a screeching halt and throw your audience through a windshield.

Good luck finding viewers for your next series, and may god grant whoever watches it better taste in the future.
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Well if that's the end it leaves me with at least one big question: What the heck is Amy's connection to this whole thing? Alex is dating Amy who happens to be from the same town Tim came from and both Amy and Jessica know Tim (perhaps separately) and that's all a big coincidence? I doubt it. There's something about the Amy/Alex/Tim/Jessica thing that doesn't ring true somehow. They all know each other too much for it be a coincidence.

I must remember to change Jessica's fate from "dead" to "unknown" in the next iteration of the timeline. Those sirens are chilling.

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The Slender Man
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I feel like people are annoyed for two reasons.
1. The last entry was incredible, and it's pretty much impossible to top.
2. It only raised more questions and provided no answers, which we've loved in the past but in the apparent last entry it feels irritating.

Also, I personally think that Tim went into Masky mode and attacked Jessica.

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I think the problem most people are having here is that a lot of these questions and mysterious you guys want answered actually are/were addressed (some vaguely, others less so), throughout the series as a whole. I think it's just a side effect of having watched a series take place over a five year period. Just wait 'til you guys start marathoning the series and I think things will be a lot more satisfying and make sense after a start to finish watch.

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