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[VIDEO] Entry #87
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The Spirit of Christmas
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I'm not disappointed, like most people seem to be. Surprised, but not disappointed. This entry was just ambiguous enough to be perfect - perhaps he killed Jessica and is now in full Masky mode, or perhaps he truly did just do what he said he was going to and leave. The idea of these two possible directions is certainly reinforced by the two way road sign at the end.

I'm inclined to believe that Tim did in fact kill her. Alex said: 'If there's somebody left, you have to kill them, then yourself'. The scenes of Tim being so contemplative and troubled looking really suggest he's having to make this decision. Then, sure enough, the scene with Jessica goes into a distorted coughing fit then cuts out, and then the entry ends with the very suspicious 'Everything is fine.' I think he killed her, and after uploading, killed himself too, knowing he'll never truly be free, and wanting to rid the world of the Operator.

Those who are complaining that we didn't get enough 'answers' must take the entire series at a very superficial level. Jessica being alive didn't just come out of nowhere - it's been clear since #75 that Tim's been hiding things about her. She disappears at the end of #76, but it's certainly plausible that Tim saved her from Alex and the Operator, as we see him limping into frame at the very end. He was then keeping her being alive a secret from Jay, as he didn't want her to drag her back into things again - very reasonably so, as last time Jay got her involved, she was nearly killed twice.

'But what's the Operator's motive? What is the Ark?'
There's simply no way they could have revealed this sort of thing, as none of the human characters really understood it. Sure, they could have made it so Alex in fact did understand the Operator and his motives, and had him go on an expository rant about it, but would it have really been better that way? I don't think so at all. The Operator is much more interesting when we don't know what it wants, and there's no way they could have revealed its motives without coming across as incredibly forced. We don't need everything spelled out for us.

Same goes for the nature of the Ark. It was never explained explicitly - it's quite possible that Tim doesn't even remember how he came up with the phrase 'to the ark', as it was probably in his Masky state. The logical thing to infer is that the Ark is that dark world where the Operator's victims are taken, or simply death in general. So Brian did finally get to go 'totheark', in each of those meanings. He was certain that death was the only way to escape the Operator, so that's what he sought, but wasn't willing to die before revealing Tim as a liar.

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Jack Slenderman
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Im hoping for one last to the arc videos, just for the creepy open ended feels

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commodore64 wrote:
GreyGhost119 wrote:
device wrote:
I don't think Hoody was a separate personality of Brian.


Pretty much what I'm thinking for both Hoody/Brian and Masky/Tim.

For anything with hiding Jessica to work, Tim had to be aware of himself as Masky it feels like. And the same goes for Brian.

The question is, what happened with the Brian/Tim TTA alliance for Brian to become so antagonistic?


I'm with ya. Because.. Why did Tim still have that mask? How long ago did Masky show up? Why did Tim know he had a mask if he is unaware of himself as Masky?


This may be a solution to the very minor mystery of why Tim directed Jay away from that pocket of his bag in Entry #72 when he was storing Alex's charcoal sketches. It's a minor mystery, and we've no way of knowing how much has changed since then. But it's possible.

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I would argue that this is not necessarily the ending, for the simple reason that they indicated before that they were not planning on doing a "big twist" ending nor leave it feeling overly unresolved or ambiguous, and this entry doesn't meet any of the criteria they established. Thus, while this could be the ending (in which case I am mildly disappointed though not as incensed as some of you people), I'd say there might yet be one left.

Could someone try asking Troy if it's over as a direct question? He'll probably dodge it if it's not, since with the driving shots we're clearly expected to think it's over, but if this was the real ending I think he'll probably give a straight answer.

Also, Jessica was almost definitely killed by Tim during the cut, yes the sirens are real, and if Tim did indeed kill Jessica I'd say it's a fair bet that he committed suicide shortly after uploading (thus fulfilling Alex's final instruction.)

So what could be left at this point, if I'm right and this isn't the end? Possibly a cryptic upload by an anonymous party with no purpose other than to fill in one or two holes and answer a couple of questions? I'd love it if they closed off the series with one final flashback tape to 2006 that gives some clarity.

Also, Alex is actually pretty shitty at killing people (and appears to be unaware that he doesn't actually kill almost anyone), if you look at it. He tried to kill Tim in 2006 and repeatedly in the present but never succeeded. He tried to kill Brian in 2006, but it was ultimately Tim who killed Brian in 2014. He tried to kill Jessica, and... yeah. He killed Jay eventually, sure, but that was, y'know, Jay, and that was after several failed attempts. I wouldn't be surprised if Seth and Sarah are both alive and well too at this point.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
If that really was the last entry, I'm very disappointed. I never expected all the questions to be answered, but I did think some of them would be.

And ending with "everything is fine" when it clearly wasn't, when Tim just had the kind of fit that heralds something very bad about to happen? No.

I watched with headphones. I hear the sirens, but since he wasn't pulled over and didn't seem the slightest bit concerned, I'm reasonably sure they had nothing to do with Tim.

I don't understand this Ark = death argument. I've thought it over multiple times, and I just can't make that make sense. I think I was right in that there was no Ark; Brian was just crazy.

Finally, I thought all the people calling a new entry coming out today were nuts; I didn't think we'd get anything until July.

I don't know; I hadn't even worked out all my thoughts about #86 yet, and then this hits.


SilentMedusa, "Everything is fine" could be a vlog suicide note. Kinda reminds me of the existentialist philosopher in Crimes and Misdemeanors who writes, "I'm going out the window," and then, well, life imitates art. (Granted, there's no life imitating art with this final title card--just meant that it's wicked epigrammatic and elliptical.)

I agree with you that there was no ark.

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censura_umbra wrote:
This. 100% I expected an entry like this for the ending. But I expected more I guess. Or for them to at least give us a 10min look into Tim's psyche. But this was shorter than I'd ever expect. And I'm not looking for any answers. But I want closure with the character. Tim cut us off and it hurts.

I think this is the part to take away here - if the entry seems curt and abrupt, it's because THAC decided that it makes sense for Tim to sign off in this curt, abrupt fashion. You can draw your own conclusions as to what that means about his character.

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wassupbro wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
If that really was the last entry, I'm very disappointed. I never expected all the questions to be answered, but I did think some of them would be.

And ending with "everything is fine" when it clearly wasn't, when Tim just had the kind of fit that heralds something very bad about to happen? No.

I watched with headphones. I hear the sirens, but since he wasn't pulled over and didn't seem the slightest bit concerned, I'm reasonably sure they had nothing to do with Tim.

I don't understand this Ark = death argument. I've thought it over multiple times, and I just can't make that make sense. I think I was right in that there was no Ark; Brian was just crazy.

Finally, I thought all the people calling a new entry coming out today were nuts; I didn't think we'd get anything until July.

I don't know; I hadn't even worked out all my thoughts about #86 yet, and then this hits.



"He will lead me to you. Lead me to death. Lead me to the ark."




Why is it so hard to realize that once you die the Operator takes you to the ark? AKA his little realm where he keeps dead bodies?


It's just as easy to realize that Brian was left for dead, TO took him to that place, Brian wasn't really dead and so the teleport didn't take, and Brian was completely made mad by the experience, and out of his madness came up with a narrative to make sense of the entire thing. (At least, that's how I've understood it for the past few months...)

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Re: Jessica

commodore64 wrote:
The Slender Man wrote:
He said, "SHE'S OUT THERE."


"...at 742 Evergreen Terrace"

I don't know. In light of what we know now, it seems like if Hoody was really trying to help Jay find Jessica, with the level of ability and lucidity he had (he stole medical records and pills while posting high concept youtube videos), he could have done so much more directly.. I know that wouldn't have made for good entertainment, but now it doesn't make sense.

If Brian was like Tim, then the pills would have provided him with enough sanity to be a lot more effective.


Why would he have wanted to let Jay know everything, though, when he was trying to get Jay to stop Alex (maybe)?

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The7kproductions
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JustJim wrote:
SignerJ wrote:
Fake jump cut. Several people actually called it in advance.


As opposed to the 99 other jump cuts they used to pop The Slender Man in and out this season? If that's the answer it should've been telegraphed a bit better.


But that would make it extremely obvious.The fact that TO did not appear was enough of a hint that he didn't actually take her.

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KTsteve
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Wait, why are people saying this is the last entry? That didn't even remotely feel like an ending, more like a pre ending buildup.

"I'm going to be gone for awhile too", possibly saying that's there's a chance of him dying (since he said jay left, but really he died). He's going to go, and either kill himself next entry, or get killed trying to rid the world of the operator.

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Lithp wrote:
Thoughts:

1. Yes, there were a lot of holes in the ending. Deal with it, Fanboys.

2. I thought about it, & Jessica's rescue doesn't really make sense. What reason did Alex have to believe that he'd successfully killed her? Also, once again, getting taken by The Operator means nothing. Or she wasn't Taken & it was just edited to make it look like she was. I don't know. But even if Alex forgot about her, we know that The Operator was messing with her in the hotel room. Why did it just suddenly stop?

3. What are the side-effects of the pills, again?

4. Ignoring that huge Operator Attack was just...yeah.

5. Maybe it is another fake-out ending, but where would they even go after this? A Jessica/Tim arc? Alex faked his death, too?

6. More questions. Did Tim attack Jessica? Did Tim & Brian have a falling out, & that's why Brian was trying to expose Tim's secret? Did Tim really know who Hoody was?

7. "Ark=Death" makes no sense at all.


Which "huge Operator Attack"?

I don't think Tim really knew who Hoody was, because it kinda implies that he was acting dumb for the benefit of all of us watching the entries. I agree with those who say that Tim and Masky are more intimate than stated. But who says that Masky even knew who Hoody really was?

I agree that "Ark = Death" is nonsensical.

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Lithp wrote:
How to reach The Ark:

Step 1. Climb tall building.

Step 2. Jump off.


Well, he climbed to a moderately high balcony, fell off, apparently broke his neck, and lingered.

THAT'S how to get To The Ark. Jay took too much time getting him there is all.

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adanufgail
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Lithp wrote:

Do you really not see the glaring, obvious problem here?

How to reach The Ark:

Step 1. Climb tall building.

Step 2. Jump off.


Maybe you need to die by the hand of someone else "infected"? Or maybe in the presence of TO? That could explain why we don't see Seth/Amy/Sarah anywhere (or they're also ignorant of it like Jessica).

I think the "Everything is fine" is very ambiguous, and is perfect. As an ending to the series, as a way to turn the horror movie trope on its head, and as a way to give closure to a series that needs a human to give us anything we see. To me, "Everything is fine" reminds me of the last line in the movie Primer, "You won't hear from me again, and if you look, you won't find me."

On a completely unrelated side note, maybe the "dark street" wasn't the street from Entry 2, but rather the first one Alex shot B-Roll on. I think I've been convinced The Ark was the dark/empty/different places since 65, when we first see it. Also, I think Rosswood's mysterious "shifting" might be The Ark/real life (I'm just glad The Ark wasn't the other side of the tunnel).

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commodore64 wrote:
Do we have evidence that Brian was affected by the operator before Alex lured him to the burned out hospital?


Coughing in Entry #51 as he sets up the tripod before TO's first attack. Those who cough seem to be those who've already had some prolonged TO exposure, even if they didn't remember.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
Tim confirmed for lying sack of shit.


LOL. I guess that's the point. He's such a liar. We never got to know what Tim got surgery on though. Hmm. Oh well. I guess after reading some comments I'm fine with this entry being the last (as well as every detail of this entry signaling the last i.e. driving, mask thrown away, 5 year anniversary, etc.)

There's one thing that bugs me about this entry that gives me a doubt of the end. Tim takes out his pills in the car...and then it looks like he's going to go into Rosswood? I don't know what to think of that.

But on the other hand, maybe Tim went to go kill himself...? If the sirens in the background truly indicate that he killed/injured Jessica, then maybe he took Alex's advice and went to overdose in the forest alone, uploading the entry on a laptop before doing so. Heck, maybe we'll get a tweet from the channel.

I like how although we didn't see the Operator one last time, he was implied when Tim had a coughing fit. I think "everything is fine" meant that he indeed went to overdose in the forest, because now the disease is gone. Everyone is dead, including Jessica, and now he can finally put himself to rest.

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