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[VIDEO] Entry #87
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lonsumtravlr
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TheJoker wrote:
I would just like to point out:

An ambiguous ending does not automatically improve a series or make it "deep", but it does not necessarily damage it either. It depends on the execution. There are good endings which leave questions unanswered, and there are bad endings which resolve every last plot thread when perhaps they shouldn't have. I'm still on the fence about this execution- it definitely could have been better, but I'm not sure it was "bad" per se either.

But thinking it over, Ark aside, the most important question to me was always really "What's going on in Alex's head here?" Entry 86 answered that, so I suppose the most important question was resolved. And frankly, some unanswered questions are just things we made bigger than they really were- not all of them, but definitely a few.

I'm still not exactly happy with this, and I'm also still not certain this was the ending. Word from Troy would be appreciated around now. (I cannot help but feel, though, that if this was the ending, he'd have tweeted something to the effect of "Well it's been a great five years" or whatever.) We'll see, I suppose.



Well, they're at some convention this weekend, so I'm sure they're getting some glowing praise and irate condemnation.

I wonder if MarbleHornets will attend and bring a tablet or something to show them the GIF he prepared... Maybe he'll bring a laptop and a data projector.

Do we really need to be satisfied with the ending? I'm not so sure about that.

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bbat70
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GoWeskerMXGT wrote:
Hello everybody, first time writing Wink
I hope you can forgive me but i'm italian and my english can be a little wrong sometimes, so i hope i can explain my theory as well.

I will go straight to the point. I have the big feel that what we have all saw, it's not what really is.

First of all i don't know if you notice, but i don't see on the Twitter page about this last entry. And that i think is really really really strange. We all saw how Jay/Tim have told us things with twitter in those years. And if you add also the fact that Entry 85 ONLY have the youtube link without the "ENTRY #85:" things became to be a little to strange to me.

Second. I think we are all making a big big big mistake about the most important thing in this video. The problem is not this happened, but WHEN happened.
We all think that this entry starts a little AFTER entry 86. But i think all of this is BEFORE Entry 82.
And i think i can explain why.
The last time we saw the mask was in entry 83, and after Hoodie throw it to Tim, he moved her away then they start to run as hell because of TO. In the end of the video he had only the time to grab the pills and the tape before TO appears and he wake up in that field. Then i don't remember to see that mask again before now (if i'm wrong correct me)
My point is that things may have happen like this.
Entry 81 --->
Entry 87 : Tim goes to throw away the mask, Hoodie that is stalking him, recovers it --->
Entry 83 : Hoodie try to give back the mask to Tim

Other strange things to me are :
- No after words after entry 86
- No words from Tim after that and then suddenly this entry WITHOUT anything on Twitter
- That everything is fine just like the TTA vid

It seems to me like there's someone that want us to think that was Tim behind the last 2 entrys.... I have the feeling we have all the info right in front of us, but we can't connect things...

Hope you don't think i'm crazy with all of that ahahah Hope you reply in a good way Razz


I find that putting 87 after 81 is plausible. It is after jay's death, so that explains Tim having his camera, even though that is explained even if it was after 86, but still. And I agree, I feel like it should be Tim behind them, but who knows? Theres no one left to post save jessica, but it seems like he doesn't want her involved anyhow. I find them to be suspicious, the last two entries. Maybe I don't want to accept the fact that this is the end (possibly) but I feel like maybe, if they went with this entry not being chronologically placed and really is after 81 and before 83, there could be another entry. I'm not sure on this one. Everyone has made a lot of good points though. It's a lot to process. But thank you for posting this, another thing to think about imo. And you're not crazy, if you are so am I Very Happy

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bbat70
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gennerx wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
gennerx wrote:
MarbleHead wrote:
So 30+ pages on the last entry about how Tim was actually dead, and hey look at that, he's not dead at all.

Great entry, and if THIS is the ending, I totally embrace it. Awesome show guys.


I can deal with Tim being alive. I can admit I was wrong but Jessica just showing up with out an explanation is just lazy writing, assuming this is the ending. I'm now half convinced that jay and everyone else are alive and no one actually died in this series.


Why does there have to be an explanation when her purported abduction by TO, which the majority of the fandom swore on their least-popular parent's lives was authentic, was open to question? It's not too much a stretch to think that if Jessica wasnt' really taken by TO that she was alive and that at least one of the two oddballs running around the woods may have somehow done something to help her out?


Everything is in question on this forum the problem is there was enough evidence to make it reasonable to assume she was gone. Troy wanted us to think she was gone to make a twist ending. I don't have so much a problem with that but if your going to pull it off you have to explain how she survived. You can't just leave us to assume that Brian and Tim did "something". I am however marginally hopeful that there will be another entry.

Agreed

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TheOperator
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JAL13 wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
the problem I have with the answers we have been given is we have been wondering about them the whole series then in the last 2 entries they basically are just like " oh ye by the way jessica is alive, amy is dead, brian is hoody ", the characters say this like they've always known, and just decide to mention it like it's nothing.


Yup exactly. Granted they were the most obvious answers but that doesn't justify revealing them in such a bland way. They probably shouldn't have taken so long to reveal such obvious things but either way, they deserved to be revealed in as satisfying a way as possible, not a "oh look, Jessica's okay. Somehow", a "oh Tim btw I killed Amy" and a "oh so this tape says Brian is Hoody. I shall not react."


For some reason I feel like a reaction video isn't needed. We got Tim's reaction when he faced Alex and Alex rubbed it in his face. A reaction video would feel too, I don't know, forced? Like, "here's me crying, feel bad, and sulk with me."


Might be forced if they went the route of him discovering Brian's identity via tape. That was why I always wanted Tim to find out Hoody's identity in the present. Then we could see his reaction without it being forced. Also that reaction in #86 was bland, just a "NO!" there was no interesting conflict between blaming and feeling sorry for Brian like I had always wanted. But of course that was a reaction to Brian's corpse, not his unmasked live self, so it wasn't what I was looking for to begin with.

lonsumtravlr wrote:
Jessica wasn't just some cute chick to be saved (or to be failed) by some dude.


Sorry but I think Jessica was exactly that. Sure, she showed she was smart and not afraid to ask questions in Season 2... then she just disappeared and it was left to Jay to find out what happened to her. Then in Entry #76 we see how brave and capable she is, turning the tables on Alex... then The Operator screws her up minutes later and she just serves as reason for Jay to angst and later somebody for Tim to... sort of save...? Or save and then lie to...? I'm not sure, given there was absolutely no explanation. Jessica had the potential to be more but the plot never let her, as Trospehim wanted their damsel in distress character.

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Marble Hornets
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I stand corrected about 86 being the last entry I guess. I don't see where they can possibly go from here with only Tim left. Obviously these pills keep the operator/his effects at bay, so is that it for Jessica? How was Tim able to find her so easily if Jay couldn't find her for months? How did Brian know she would still be alive? Why didn't Alex kill her when he took the gun off of her? Too many plot holes.

With nobody to steal his pills, Tim can live an operator free life like he used to. Where can the series possibly go? I felt like 86 was the perfect ending point of the series, hopefully the ending isn't inferior to that last shot in 86.

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Cyan507
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I'm too lazy too look through all the pages but I'm interested in what people thought happened to Jessica. In last frames we see of her there's one or two that show her looking behind Tim to something/someone. I know the camera was slightly below Tim once he falls but she's looking way higher than his eyeline. Since every character par the two we see are dead that only leaves our tall friend to be the perpetrator of Jessica's fate. I'd imagine she's probably a goner as those siren's didn't sound too encouraging. But at the same time she has enough medication to possibly nullify TO's presence so idk.
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MarbleHead
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The more I think about it the more I believe, more and more, this whole series falls under the: "Let's just ALLUDE to mysterious things happening and everyone will buy it." thing that Hollywood always does. There's a reason the third movie in a trilogy always sucks, because Hollywood is GREAT at setting up an origins story, then a follow-up, then by the time they have all your money you realize they had no real grand plan to end everything towards the end.

Starting to think all of MH was just smoke and mirrors sloppily tied together with an ambiguous ending now that they've got their Kickstarter funds.

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MarbleHead
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Marble Hornets wrote:

With nobody to steal his pills, Tim can live an operator free life like he used to.



Really? So you think he had the pills during that final scene, yet didn't take them for some reason? Also, they're PILLS his body will eventually build up an immunity to them.

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Lithp
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Quote:
An ambiguous ending does not automatically improve a series or make it "deep", but it does not necessarily damage it either.


I actually do not agree, I think this is an application of the middleground fallacy.

In what sense can an "ambiguous ending" NOT be a detriment, to some degree? For the record, I'm interpreting "ambiguous ending" to mean what is implied--an ending in which the majority of things go unanswered. If just a few things aren't answered, I wouldn't call that an "ambiguous ending," I would call that a "mostly resolved ending."

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King Nuclearo
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Supposedly this is the real ending according to this post. http://peppermint-vodka.tumblr.com/post/89473793883/hey-everyone-still-at-anime-blues-con-just-got However a tumblr post from someone who claims to have gone to the Q and A is of questionable truth.

But if it's not a lie, then hey.

It's over.

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SonicN2O
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SignerJ wrote:
I just noticed something while re-watching the entry: at the very end, after Tim turns on his turn signal, he doesn't just go straight. He changes into the left-hand lane. This implies that the chose to turn left, and not go into the woods.


Just like how at the end of Inception, the top wobbles a bit before it cuts to black?</sarcasm>

I feel like the ark was a way to escape Alex's crusade... Kind of like Noah's ark. Noah's ark was a way to escape God's purge of the world, and Tim wanted himself and Jessica to escape Alex's purge of anyone under the effect of the Operator. Maybe when he had the coughing fit at the end he realized that couldn't happen and he killed Jessica, hence the sirens at the end.

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flatlinee
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I saw a guy talking about credits posts earlier-it's important to note that it took 13-15 days after the ends of Seasons 1 and 2 for THAC to upload the credits for these seasons.

Still no Twitter post about this entry.

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Xman
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I'm really disappointed with Hoody's end. The fact that he just fell 15ft and then died or something is just completely dumb. I was hoping they would expand on him more at the end, but I guess not. That was the most glossed over reveal ever. I feel like they were building up so much with Hoody, too.

And I really don't care for the "it's realistic" argument. That means absolutely nothing to me. This is a fictional series with paranormal themes with a ton of aspects where you have to suspend your disbelief. Saying that "it's very realistic blah blah blah" doesn't make it good in the slightest bit.

The fact that the end premise is "everybody has to die for it to go away," is just so dull and gloomy to me. I always thought the story had much more to offer than that.

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Marble Hornets
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Cyan507 wrote:
I'm too lazy too look through all the pages but I'm interested in what people thought happened to Jessica. In last frames we see of her there's one or two that show her looking behind Tim to something/someone. I know the camera was slightly below Tim once he falls but she's looking way higher than his eyeline. Since every character par the two we see are dead that only leaves our tall friend to be the perpetrator of Jessica's fate. I'd imagine she's probably a goner as those siren's didn't sound too encouraging. But at the same time she has enough medication to possibly nullify TO's presence so idk.


Tim said everything was fine and uploaded this video. We know Tim lies, but there are only two things that could have happened there:

1. Tim killed Jessica and let the operator take her dead body - Tim wouldn't show the audience any of this if that was the case
2. The operator took Jessica - big deal, she loses her memory and wakes up tomorrow



MarbleHead wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:

With nobody to steal his pills, Tim can live an operator free life like he used to.



Really? So you think he had the pills during that final scene, yet didn't take them for some reason? Also, they're PILLS his body will eventually build up an immunity to them.


Have no idea what you're talking about here. Tim has had that bottle of pills since he took them off Hoody, who was taking them from Tim himself. And it's not like he couldn't just get more if he needed them, it's just that he could ask his doctor for two doses in the past if he had to use some for whatever reason (like to help Jay, or if they were being stolen).

I'm facepalming at the immunity comment

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Marble Hornets
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Also if that guy saying 87 is the last entry is correct, the staff that comprise the film program in whatever university the trio went to should be re-evaluated because that is just abysmal in terms of an ending

It would mean everyone's deaths were pointless, Alex's mission was pointless, and the only two characters left will just continue the cycle, all of those mysteries that strung us along were abandoned, and totheark's motives/reasonings were largely left unsaid

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