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sirens in background lol



I'm missing them, where am I listening again?


4:08 just when it switches to Tim in car

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 		So, just for the record, Tim presumably hid the tape with Jessica on it because as Tim explained to Jay in 77, he didn't want him searching for her. Now, we know that he knew she was alive. This explains why ToTheArk keeps calling him a liar and saying he's keeping secrets, and explains the whole "She's out there" code. Tim was basically waiting for everyone to die in order to tell us. As ToTheArk said, "who is left to hear the secret".

Tim's had that tape since 62, so really who knows how long he's known Jessica. It's implied, as far as I can tell, that they met through having the same doctor. ToTheArk says he's known the secret "for years". That's at least two years. Exactly two years before that video went up was February 20th 2012, about a month before Season 3 started, but 3 months after Jay saw Tim outside his doctor's office/the antique store the first time, which was itself 9 months after Entries #33/76, so really who knows how long Tim's been chilling with Jessica at that doctor's office.

So ToTheArk knew Tim's secret, that he had contact with Jessica, for years, probably because ToTheArk constantly stalks everyone. Tim didn't tell Jay, Alex, or YouTube because he didn't want her getting pulled back in. If I'm right and Tim really was friends with Jessica before Entry #59, then learning about Jay's involvement with her disappearance may be extra reason why he punched him the face.

But yes, all we even probably know for sure is that he's been hiding this since around the time he first got the tape with Jessica on it in 62. As for it being the ending, yeah I'm like 99% sure the really ending-seeming video with footage of cars on the road posted on Marble Hornets' 5th anniversery is the ending. The ark was that dark ass Operator place. What happened to Amy, Seth, and Sarah? I think Tim says that Alex killed Amy, and I don't think they really say 100% certain, but it's probably that. Probably the same with the rest of them, or maybe they all escaped and are living mundane Jessica-ish lives. It kinda doesn't matter to me?

I'm satisfied.
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Verbatim wrote:
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....You are really happy about that ending ? last ending ended on a huge cliffhanger and then he shrugs it off as lol it's fine k bye

It's not ambigous it's called blue balls
What do you want? What questions do you want answered? Why do these questions matter at the end of the day?




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But i'm 80% sure it's not over


Fingers crossed for this.

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ThinSuit wrote:
Verbatim wrote:
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....You are really happy about that ending ? last ending ended on a huge cliffhanger and then he shrugs it off as lol it's fine k bye

It's not ambigous it's called blue balls
What do you want? What questions do you want answered? Why do these questions matter at the end of the day?


Well first of all what was the point of TTA
Why did alex said they were "gone" back in season 1
who is skully
what was that story alex told to jay about stretched people about
was tim Really the source or was alex bullshitting
what was the ark (just a fucking hint holy shit)
why does alex suddenly start killing people and gives them to slendy



these are questions on going for the last 5 years, I'm osrry I want some of those answered


But i'm 80% sure it's not over

I think Skully is probably just an early form of Hoody/vague imagery symbolizing death.
I don't think this is the end. There has to be at least one more video.
(Also, I think Jessica is dead. I think Tim killed her.)

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 		Holy shit.

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 		 Soooooo...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):


1. Those of use who said that Entry #76 was an IG forgery should feel vindicated (which now redeems that entry in my eyes and restores my faith in Trosephim's trickery).

2. Props to those who saw the series bookended with driving footage.

3. I love that Tim did what Jay should have done with Jessica: Tell a white lie that makes it easier for everyone to move on.

4. Love that Tim tosses away the mask in a way similar to Dirty Harry throwing away his badge, only the ending only started there.

5. Did Tim really recover from that coughing fit and is everything fine as he decides which way to turn next? o-O

6. I guess I now sorta feel the way fans of The Sopranos felt, but I can't think of a better way for this series to end.

7. I gotta watch once more and see if I hear the sirens others do in the background.

7a. Even if they are there, they don't necessarily mean anything, but considering that IG Tim is potentially a fugitive and that in the IG world he'd be wanted for some kind of questioning (or study) should anyone find the YouTube channel and take it seriously (though I think that the YouTube channel gives him some sorta cover, too, as many IG likely wouldn't believe it), whaddaya expect from this entry?

So... satisfied (enough... just...)? yeah, sure. Series overall, love it. This ending... I like it enough that it does justice to everyone (especially by pissing off all those who think that closure = full disclosure, lolololololololololololololololololol).


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 		Also I'd like to add that I like ambigious endings, blair witch project is my fav movie.
but that wasn't ambigous, it was just....empty.
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SHODAN wrote:
If you say that the denouement / resolution doesn't matter, then the entire story doesn't matter, and anything that is used to narrate that story is ok because it'll never be perfect. Which is more or less what I mean by empty praise.
I'm just saying that you and I both know that any answer given to you, you wouldn't be satisfied with. I guarantee it. I wouldn't be satisfied with it, either. Once the creator gives the answer, though, it becomes Gospel truth within the bounds of his tale. You might not like the solution given, but that's what the creator says.

Leaving answers out mitigates that issue. You can't satisfy everyone, so satisfy no one.

I want to know just about as much as everyone else what The Operator's intents were. If Alex really was a bad guy, and if Tim is worth trusting. But I'll take the unknown over having them fuck it up and say something nonsensical or stupid.

Take George Lucas and what he thought was a good idea for Star Wars prequels. You can't satisfy ANYONE.

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DHawk314 wrote:
So, just for the record, Tim presumably hid the tape with Jessica on it because as Tim explained to Jay in 77, he didn't want him searching for her. Now, we know that he knew she was alive. This explains why ToTheArk keeps calling him a liar and saying he's keeping secrets, and explains the whole "She's out there" code. Tim was basically waiting for everyone to die in order to tell us. As ToTheArk said, "who is left to hear the secret".

Tim's had that tape since 62, so really who knows how long he's known Jessica. It's implied, as far as I can tell, that they met through having the same doctor. ToTheArk says he's known the secret "for years". That's at least two years. Exactly two years before that video went up was February 20th 2012, about a month before Season 3 started, but 3 months after Jay saw Tim outside his doctor's office/the antique store the first time, which was itself 9 months after Entries #33/76, so really who knows how long Tim's been chilling with Jessica at that doctor's office.

So ToTheArk knew Tim's secret, that he had contact with Jessica, for years, probably because ToTheArk constantly stalks everyone. Tim didn't tell Jay, Alex, or YouTube because he didn't want her getting pulled back in. If I'm right and Tim really was friends with Jessica before Entry #59, then learning about Jay's involvement with her disappearance may be extra reason why he punched him the face.

But yes, all we even probably know for sure is that he's been hiding this since around the time he first got the tape with Jessica on it in 62. As for it being the ending, yeah I'm like 99% sure the really ending-seeming video with footage of cars on the road posted on Marble Hornets' 5th anniversery is the ending. The ark was that dark ass Operator place. What happened to Amy, Seth, and Sarah? I think Tim says that Alex killed Amy, and I don't think they really say 100% certain, but it's probably that. Probably the same with the rest of them, or maybe they all escaped and are living mundane Jessica-ish lives. It kinda doesn't matter to me?

I'm satisfied.




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Verbatim wrote:
ThinSuit wrote:
....You are really happy about that ending ? last ending ended on a huge cliffhanger and then he shrugs it off as lol it's fine k bye

It's not ambigous it's called blue balls
What do you want? What questions do you want answered? Why do these questions matter at the end of the day?

Because the questions are the driving point of the series. Many people, myself included, have been watching since the first season because they want to see the questions answered, the mysteries solved, the loose ends strung together. It's a little fucking offensive when the writers deny this to their viewers, fumbling their responsibilities as storytellers by making it intentionally ambiguous. It's like a gigantic middle finger to anyone who was actually interested in the plot.

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 		But... how did Jessica get away? And what has she been doing? Besides taking pills. She was just... sitting around, doing nothing? She wasn't worried about what had happened to Jay, didn't try to find him or anything?
This... okay this really bugs me

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ThinSuit wrote:
Verbatim wrote:
ThinSuit wrote:
....You are really happy about that ending ? last ending ended on a huge cliffhanger and then he shrugs it off as lol it's fine k bye

It's not ambigous it's called blue balls
What do you want? What questions do you want answered? Why do these questions matter at the end of the day?


Well first of all what was the point of TTA
Why did alex said they were "gone" back in season 1
who is skully
what was that story alex told to jay about stretched people about
was tim Really the source or was alex bullshitting
what was the ark (just a fucking hint holy shit)
why does alex suddenly start killing people and gives them to slendy



these are questions on going for the last 5 years, I'm osrry I want some of those answered


But i'm 80% sure it's not over


- TTA wanted to use Jay to get to Alex and kill him. Then Tim kills him by accident with a wrench. I always thought this was basically spelled out in Decay.
- Because Alex killed Seth and Sarah, as he admitted in the last entry, and because he left Tim and Brian in that hospital, and he attacked Jay in 71 and probably thought he was dead.
- Like slightly less ridiculous as a concept than Lighty. One notch up from there. Otherwise, a ToTheArk-ish image blown out of proportion.
- They said on the DVD that the story was supposed to foreshadow that something was wrong with Alex's head. It doesn't have importance insofar as the Operator.
- We knew Tim was the source, at least the one who caused it to happen to the cast, before Alex said that bullshit, from like a thousand different entries (60.5, 66, 84)
- It was probably the dark ass Operator place.
- Because he thought killing everyone was the only way to end it, and because the Operator was probably also basically controlling him.
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ThinSuit wrote:

Well first of all what was the point of TTA
Why did alex said they were "gone" back in season 1
who is skully
what was that story alex told to jay about stretched people about
was tim Really the source or was alex bullshitting
what was the ark (just a fucking hint holy shit)
why does alex suddenly start killing people and gives them to slendy

these are questions on going for the last 5 years, I'm osrry I want some of those answered

But i'm 80% sure it's not over

Okay to try and answer some of these... I read a theory a few days ago saying that the violent acts Alex committed against the cast members were not for the purpose of killing them, but just to make them forget. It seems like TO appears whenever violence is involved, with memory loss afterwards, so Alex went after everyone to make them forget. It worked on some, like Jay and Tim, but went horribly wrong with Brian, and even worse with Seth and Sarah, who presumably died. It's worth pointing out that at this point Alex was not totally coherent and did not realize he didn't have to do things like he did, as Tim pointed out, since apparently TO "feeds" on people Alex takes away.

Skully was just another abstract version of the mask, another cool looking mask which served no purpose other than make that TTA entry look more artsy. If he really was another character, they were obviously scrapped.

The DVD commentay confirms that the story Alex told Jay in the woods was a lie, he was only trying to scare/distract him presumably before killing him.

I don't think Tim is THE source, for the same reasons he outlined, but he was the source for their group, and that's all that matters.

The Ark is Death. The only safe haven from the Operator.

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 		Alright everyone, I got mixed feelings about this, but I think this is the end with one more period left off. The final part might even come from TTA.

That being said I want to praise just how much I freaking love the last scene. Tim turning the camera away, the final shot being a two way path with one being an open field and the other being woods.

And "Everything is fine."

Who is he really trying to convince? Us or himself?

I really liked it.

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