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ReverendJ
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Striker wrote:
Mr Timothy wrote:
Jack Slenderman wrote:
Im hoping for one last to the arc videos, just for the creepy open ended feels
Who is there to upload a TTA video?

Exactly.
Masky...just because he tossed the mask doesn't mean he has control.

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gennerx
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ReverendJ wrote:
Striker wrote:
Mr Timothy wrote:
Jack Slenderman wrote:
Im hoping for one last to the arc videos, just for the creepy open ended feels
Who is there to upload a TTA video?

Exactly.
Masky...just because he tossed the mask doesn't mean he has control.


As long as they're editing video to fake peoples deaths it could be anyone. Which is why the ending sucked.

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Lithp
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But I don't agree that they should "fix" things in their next series based everyone's likes or dislikes. I think if you try to please everyone, you're going to get a bland, predictable, boring piece of work.


You are effectively saying that they should ignore criticism, which is terrible logic. It's not about "trying to please everyone," it's about, if a complaint comes up again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again, it might be worth considering, especially when it's something easily fixed like "actually answer the questions that you raise."

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As long as they're editing video to fake peoples deaths it could be anyone. Which is why the ending sucked.


I don't think that's necessarily a problem, as long as there are more unambiguous deaths. The problem was that we didn't actually SEE what happened to Seth, Amy, or Sarah, we just have Alex's word, & he's proven notoriously inaccurate. Also, the rules about The Operator were so poorly explained that I wasn't sure if Jay was even dead until the end.

But, now that I think about it, did Tim & Brian really edit that video? Because it wouldn't make much sense, since Tim wasn't planning on showing it.

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fredsolo
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 		There is one little change that would make this ending exponentially better.

If in the last shot of the park focusing on the two-direction sign The Operator was standing far away in the middle of the park, being barely visible. You wouldn't even notice him the first time seeing the video.

It would provide a stronger sense of closure and it would be a nice way to tie it to the first episodes of Season 1 where they did that kind of thing a lot(and it was a big part of the charm that got so many of us hooked in the first place). Plus it would add a stronger sense of mystery and ambiguity, which seems to be what they were going for.

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paladin181
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fredsolo wrote:
There is one little change that would make this ending exponentially better.

If in the last shot of the park focusing on the two-direction sign The Operator was standing far away in the middle of the park, being barely visible. You wouldn't even notice him the first time seeing the video.

It would provide a stronger sense of closure and it would be a nice way to tie it to the first episodes of Season 1 where they did that kind of thing a lot(and it was a big part of the charm that got so many of us hooked in the first place). Plus it would add a stronger sense of mystery and ambiguity, which seems to be what they were going for.
It's kind of contradictory to say it's a stronger sense of closure AND a stronger sense of ambiguity. Those are two things at opposite ends of the spectrum.

And I think that would have been even more ham-handed than the ending we got.

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Marble Hornets
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 		Joseph confirmed on twitter today the series is done


The film program at University of Alabama needs to have their staff re-evaluated. Everything about the last few entries felt rushed, and I don't think these guys have what it takes to make it in this industry, not for a long time at least. Call me bitter all you want, they had all the setup and dropped the ball hard just for some cool shots. The ending itself was abysmal for something that was in the works for 5 years. Full of plot holes as well.

Personally I won't be recommending this series to anyone anymore, and while I appreciate the hard work they put into the series, they really fell flat in the end. They should have spent more time writing scripts instead of goofing off and making dumb videos like nature break. They had a big opportunity in life with Marble Hornets, and I don't think they will end up getting recognized for it after how awful the series got towards the end.

In retrospect, a lot of the entires were throwaway and there was some really bad storytelling, although season 2 as a whole is still great. I hope they learned from the critical feedback they've been getting from their dedicated fans, and not just accepting dicksucky twitter posts as valuable feedback.


I can't get over how stupid the ending is though. You want me to believe Alex didn't just cap Jessica in entry 68? Completely unrealistic given his motives, but fine. You want me to believe the sickness will stop spreading if people are killed, fine. You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that. If the pills are able to prevent the operator from ever showing up, why the hell didn't Tim just send everyone to the doctor? The operator wouldn't be able to latch onto any of them at that point. All we ended up with was every single main character dead and no resolve. Absolutely awful story telling. Hopefully the other slender series end on a better note.


And I'll say it again. These guys have potential in the horror genre, but they have to push themselves much harder. I don't really think their comedic stuff will get big. They absolutely have to take more time with writing scripts though, even if they spent 30 hours a week on it, it clearly wasn't enough. I don't want it to sound like a personal attack, because I do think some of the entries were amazing things to watch.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
You want me to believe the sickness will stop spreading if people are killed, fine. You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that. If the pills are able to prevent the operator from ever showing up, why the hell didn't Tim just send everyone to the doctor? The operator wouldn't be able to latch onto any of them at that point. All we ended up with was every single main character dead and no resolve.

...yeah, that's all wrong.

Alex believes that killing everybody will stop TO, but that doesn't mean it's true. Tim makes it very clear in #86 that he doesn't think it will accomplish anything, that he's probably not even the only source, and that Alex is delusional and is doing exactly what TO wants by killing everybody. It's very strongly implied that killing everybody will not stop the sickness from spreading.

Everything is not fine. It's just something Tim wants the audience to believe, but #87 should be evidence enough that everything is not fine.

Considering that Tim has a coughing fit (with camera breakdown and everything) in #87 even though he's been taking the pills and given how strongly these things are linked to TO appearances, I would doubt very much that they can stop TO from ever appearing at all.

Not every single main character is dead.

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aidansean
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Marble Hornets wrote:
You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that.


I think that's the point.

Marble Hornets wrote:
If the pills are able to prevent the operator from ever showing up, why the hell didn't Tim just send everyone to the doctor?


He sent Jay and Jessica to the doctor. He (unwittingly) supplied Hoody with pills. Back in 2006 he probably wasn't aware of Alex being stalked until he got a rebar to the head.

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Marble Hornets
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MascaraSnake wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
You want me to believe the sickness will stop spreading if people are killed, fine. You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that. If the pills are able to prevent the operator from ever showing up, why the hell didn't Tim just send everyone to the doctor? The operator wouldn't be able to latch onto any of them at that point. All we ended up with was every single main character dead and no resolve.

...yeah, that's all wrong.

Alex believes that killing everybody will stop TO, but that doesn't mean it's true. Tim makes it very clear in #86 that he doesn't think it will accomplish anything, that he's probably not even the only source, and that Alex is delusional and is doing exactly what TO wants by killing everybody. It's very strongly implied that killing everybody will not stop the sickness from spreading.

Everything is not fine. It's just something Tim wants the audience to believe, but #87 should be evidence enough that everything is not fine.

Considering that Tim has a coughing fit (with camera breakdown and everything) in #87 even though he's been taking the pills and given how strongly these things are linked to TO appearances, I would doubt very much that they can stop TO from ever appearing at all.

Not every single main character is dead.



Every main character is pretty much dead besides Tim, which is what I clearly meant. Jessica wasn't really a main character.

Yes, I agree, everything is not fine, which takes us right back to square one which is why it's such a stupid shitty ending. Tim even says that he was getting better before Jay came around, and in the end says that he knows a way to supress the operator (the pills). This implies the pills work. Just because he started coughing and distortion came up doesn't mean the operator was around, it could just be the sickness taking over as usual. We've seen it take over people without the operator having to be around before. Even still, Tim could have referred everyone to his doctor from the get go to at least help with the problem at hand instead of just running away from it and lying about it, in the end running away from it off to spread it into new areas.

The fact that it spread to Alex from Tim implies that the whole spreading discussion is an actual thing. You're merely arguing that it spread past the characters we've seen, and while it's likely, we can't say for sure. For all we know if Tim killed himself and Jessica right there the problem could have gone away. Implications or not, it's not definitive.

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 		Rushed my ass. According to BNWYDSE, the ending was written in advanced two years ago. Y'all are just being babies
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Osttle wrote:
Rushed my ass. According to BNWYDSE, the ending was written in advanced two years ago. Y'all are just being babies


Maybe that's the problem. If they planned this as the ending two years ago, maybe they got locked into that, instead of thinking about reworking it into something that would've fit better.

I say that because they basically stated that season 3 was the last one, and rather than having x amount of entries, it would last as long as it needed to to finish the story. Therefore, I personally think they could've taken more time, instead of cornering themselves into a deadline with a promise of DVDs shipping by August. I think people are upset because they said they were going to take the time to do it right, and then gave us something that feels rushed and incomplete.

If having that opinion means I'm "being a baby", well... We're just going to have to disagree.

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Osttle wrote:
Rushed my ass. According to BNWYDSE, the ending was written in advanced two years ago. Y'all are just being babies


Well, I've said that I don't think it was rushed. To be more accurate, I think that "feels rushed" is a kneejerk response that people give when they feel like something isn't right, because the prevailing wisdom is that planning=good.

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 		So just listening to their podcast and they say that while the series is over, the Marble Hornets channel isn't and said people shouldn't unsubscribe yet. In fact they repeated that several times. How mysterious.

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Shaoken wrote:
So just listening to their podcast and they say that while the series is over, the Marble Hornets channel isn't and said people shouldn't unsubscribe yet. In fact they repeated that several times. How mysterious.



he also said right after that it's not going to be marble hornets 2 or anything like that. it's most likely just gonna be alex kralie's marble hornets parody or something like that. anything else would just continue the series

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 		IF there is one last video, I can see it being a memorial video for those lost.

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