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JustJim
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Feeling depressed tonight and thinking about Marble Hornets being over has increased it.

Not gonna lie, I would've loved to see a happy-ish ending. Like, everything could stay the same up until Jay dying. Perhaps instead Alex takes him captive, trying to make him see his point of view that Tim needs to be stopped. Tim confronts Alex, they both die, Jay picks up the camera. Last Entry is Jay driving around, speculating on what he does with his life now that he's the last one alive. As he drives through town, he sees Jessica walking into her apartment. He decides to leave well enough alone and leave town, searching for a new beginning.

Never too late for fantasy booking, right?

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JustJim wrote:
Feeling depressed tonight and thinking about Marble Hornets being over has increased it.

Not gonna lie, I would've loved to see a happy-ish ending. Like, everything could stay the same up until Jay dying. Perhaps instead Alex takes him captive, trying to make him see his point of view that Tim needs to be stopped. Tim confronts Alex, they both die, Jay picks up the camera. Last Entry is Jay driving around, speculating on what he does with his life now that he's the last one alive. As he drives through town, he sees Jessica walking into her apartment. He decides to leave well enough alone and leave town, searching for a new beginning.

Never too late for fantasy booking, right?

I was thinking the same thing, but Jay IS shot. However, he's found in the Oppyverse/Ark and we get some kind of confirmation IG that Jay's either alive and it's happy or dead.
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I've been kind of thinking, and I think I have a better twist than the "hey, Jessica's not dead after all!" stunt they pulled: if it had been Amy that Tim met up with, and through their conversation it was revealed (or strongly implied) that the two of them had been in contact and working against Alex the whole time, and were now parting ways so they can both move on with their lives. Not "Amy is TTA", but rather, Amy wants revenge on Alex for trying to kill her. And maybe someone could show some on-screen sadness over the fact that Jay's dead.

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Lithp
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Re: I just gotta say

lonsumtravlr wrote:
disliking the finale is fine, hating the finale is fine, feeling let down (as even some of us who liked the finale and defend the trio did a bit by Entry #87) is fine, feeling betrayed is fine. But I cannot understand why anyone would go so far as to say that because the ending of Marble Hornets may have been subpar, that this invalidates not only the entire series but also the trio's talent. I'll concede that there were some spots that could have been better written and that Season Three had some downs, but, Jesus, they've created some damn solid viewing experiences, have grown as actors, have refined skills as editors and cinematographers. They're not even thirty yet. On what basis do you write them off? That your own narrow theory wasn't borne out and that you hated the underwhelming ending of an unrelated sitcom? This takes the histrionic retardation school of film and TV criticism to astounding (if precedented) lows.


But this isn't anything that anyone is actually saying. It's not "they're not talented," it's "talent isn't enough, they need to make improvements." It's not, "My theory wasn't borne out," it's "Nothing was borne out." And come on, man, I don't even watch How I Met Your Mother but I can still understand an analogy when I see one.

The only thing in here that I've seen people say is that the ending invalidated the rest of the series, which I do not agree is so IMPOSSIBRU!

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SilentMedusa wrote:
I've been kind of thinking, and I think I have a better twist than the "hey, Jessica's not dead after all!" stunt they pulled: if it had been Amy that Tim met up with, and through their conversation it was revealed (or strongly implied) that the two of them had been in contact and working against Alex the whole time, and were now parting ways so they can both move on with their lives. Not "Amy is TTA", but rather, Amy wants revenge on Alex for trying to kill her. And maybe someone could show some on-screen sadness over the fact that Jay's dead.

This is actually kind of interesting. I think it'd also be cool if maybe both Jessica and Amy were alive. Maybe when Tim goes to see Jessica in #87, Jessica just nonchalantly mentions how she's gonna see Amy later or something like that.

We never see her die onscreen, so it only makes sense since Alex probably couldn't even kill a fly correctly the first time if his life depended on it.

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Xman wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
I've been kind of thinking, and I think I have a better twist than the "hey, Jessica's not dead after all!" stunt they pulled: if it had been Amy that Tim met up with, and through their conversation it was revealed (or strongly implied) that the two of them had been in contact and working against Alex the whole time, and were now parting ways so they can both move on with their lives. Not "Amy is TTA", but rather, Amy wants revenge on Alex for trying to kill her. And maybe someone could show some on-screen sadness over the fact that Jay's dead.

This is actually kind of interesting. I think it'd also be cool if maybe both Jessica and Amy were alive. Maybe when Tim goes to see Jessica in #87, Jessica just nonchalantly mentions how she's gonna see Amy later or something like that.

We never see her die onscreen, so it only makes sense since Alex probably couldn't even kill a fly correctly the first time if his life depended on it.


There would have needed to have been a lot more of Amy onscreen than just Entry #26 and that picture, though. The signs pointed to Alex at least possibly having a hand in Amy being "gone," while the tape that constituted Entry #76 left a lot open. If anything was badly handled in MH, it's that tape, because even though some of us suggested that it was an IG forgery and we were sorta vindicated on that, there's still a lot about it that doesn't make sense. Such as that camera perspective of Alex apparently standing over a kill as he gets his gun back--it seems that Jay, and we, were to take that as demonstrating that Alex killed Jessica; but why that shot from that perspective and then the jump to Jessica's body lying on the path in Rosswood? Didn't make sense. How'd the camera change positions? How far gone (maybe after the events of Entry #82) was Jay that he thought that the tape seemed legit?

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Alex confirms he killed Amy in 86.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Alex confirms he killed Amy in 86.

He also said that Jessica was dead in 86. I'm not saying that everyone Alex killed is alive, but he's not exactly a trustworthy person or a good shot.
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Striker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Alex confirms he killed Amy in 86.

He also said that Jessica was dead in 86. I'm not saying that everyone Alex killed is alive, but he's not exactly a trustworthy person or a good shot.


But when Tim states that Alex felt in control when he killed Amy Alex didn't deny it, it only infuriated him even more.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Xman wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
I've been kind of thinking, and I think I have a better twist than the "hey, Jessica's not dead after all!" stunt they pulled: if it had been Amy that Tim met up with, and through their conversation it was revealed (or strongly implied) that the two of them had been in contact and working against Alex the whole time, and were now parting ways so they can both move on with their lives. Not "Amy is TTA", but rather, Amy wants revenge on Alex for trying to kill her. And maybe someone could show some on-screen sadness over the fact that Jay's dead.

This is actually kind of interesting. I think it'd also be cool if maybe both Jessica and Amy were alive. Maybe when Tim goes to see Jessica in #87, Jessica just nonchalantly mentions how she's gonna see Amy later or something like that.

We never see her die onscreen, so it only makes sense since Alex probably couldn't even kill a fly correctly the first time if his life depended on it.


There would have needed to have been a lot more of Amy onscreen than just Entry #26 and that picture, though. The signs pointed to Alex at least possibly having a hand in Amy being "gone," while the tape that constituted Entry #76 left a lot open. If anything was badly handled in MH, it's that tape, because even though some of us suggested that it was an IG forgery and we were sorta vindicated on that, there's still a lot about it that doesn't make sense. Such as that camera perspective of Alex apparently standing over a kill as he gets his gun back--it seems that Jay, and we, were to take that as demonstrating that Alex killed Jessica; but why that shot from that perspective and then the jump to Jessica's body lying on the path in Rosswood? Didn't make sense. How'd the camera change positions? How far gone (maybe after the events of Entry #82) was Jay that he thought that the tape seemed legit?


Maybe Alex never understood that the operator never kills anyone. Perhaps he thought Jessica was dead.

Why he wouldn't just put a bullet in her head to make sure, I just don't know. He still seemed to struggle with the idea of shooting her. Perhaps he wasn't so far gone that he couldn't finish the job.

Since there are little to no answers. Who knows.......

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I mean, Alex saw the operator take Jay, himself, and a few others who returned. He should have known Jessica was still alive.

It's the biggest plot hole in the series that is just going to be ignored

I love that the concensus is that mostly everyone was unsatisfied with the ending and they ignored that fact on the posdcast. I don't blame them for it, but it would be kind of neat to hear their reaction to the feedback

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Lithp
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I don't think that's 100% true. Last time I checked the poll topic I made, it was 1/4 unsatisfied, 1/2 mixed, & 1/4 favorable. Also, Joseph alluded to the dissatisfaction with the ending a bit. Part of me wants to say that they could have done more to address the criticism, but I don't know what. And there will be more opportunities for them to address things.

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Well you have to admit most people aren't going to look at it as critically as we are, nor did most people intensely follow it since it first began.

I'd argue (and assume as I don't have statistical evidence) the average and casual viewer of Marble Hornets thought the ending was okay and just left it at that. Accepting everything they heard/saw and not questioning a lot.

The people who followed Marble Hornets more closely are going to be more dissatisfied as we had more stake in things and look at things a little more closely.

The people who thought that the ending was satisfying more than likely liked the older stuff better, as the ending followed more that style. Completely ambiguous and no explanation what so ever. And they are okay with not knowing anything and just enjoyed the moments that it had. Kind of like the Michael Bay effect. It makes absolutely no goddamn sense but hey it looks cool.

So overall, it really just depends on what you prefer, how deep you wanna look into it, and how much stake did you have in the series. Majority wins at the end of the day, so trosephim will probably only recognise that the ending was viewed as average and leave it at that. As much as I'd like there to be more outrage in the community, in simply isn't there.

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Viden wrote:
Well you have to admit most people aren't going to look at it as critically as we are, nor did most people intensely follow it since it first began.

I'd argue (and assume as I don't have statistical evidence) the average and casual viewer of Marble Hornets thought the ending was okay and just left it at that. Accepting everything they heard/saw and not questioning a lot.

The people who followed Marble Hornets more closely are going to be more dissatisfied as we had more stake in things and look at things a little more closely.

The people who thought that the ending was satisfying more than likely liked the older stuff better, as the ending followed more that style. Completely ambiguous and no explanation what so ever. And they are okay with not knowing anything and just enjoyed the moments that it had. Kind of like the Michael Bay effect. It makes absolutely no goddamn sense but hey it looks cool.

So overall, it really just depends on what you prefer, how deep you wanna look into it, and how much stake did you have in the series. Majority wins at the end of the day, so trosephim will probably only recognise that the ending was viewed as average and leave it at that. As much as I'd like there to be more outrage in the community, in simply isn't there.


You know, you can be OK with the ending, not hate it, and still be dissatisfied with it. I'm dissatisfied with quite a bit of the series (pretty much entirely with Season Three, as there are some missed opportunities--Entries #66, 67, and 76 leap out), but I'm OK with the ending as is (ANYthing would be anti-climactic after Entry #86). I'm sure Trosephim know that the ending was viewed as average and don't care--not because they're impervious to criticism, but because they want to move on, and they had to wrap this up first.

And, wow, I'd never compare Troy Wagner to Michael Bay as a director. Even though I know you're not comparing styles but rather a perceived lack of substance and depth in MH's final act to, well, Bay's body of work. Wow.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
You know, you can be OK with the ending, not hate it, and still be dissatisfied with it. I'm dissatisfied with quite a bit of the series (pretty much entirely with Season Three, as there are some missed opportunities--Entries #66, 67, and 76 leap out), but I'm OK with the ending as is (ANYthing would be anti-climactic after Entry #86). I'm sure Trosephim know that the ending was viewed as average and don't care--not because they're impervious to criticism, but because they want to move on, and they had to wrap this up first.

And, wow, I'd never compare Troy Wagner to Michael Bay as a director. Even though I know you're not comparing styles but rather a perceived lack of substance and depth in MH's final act to, well, Bay's body of work. Wow.


Oh GOD no, you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't comparing Troy's director skills to anything. I was using an analogy to explain different peoples perspectives, albeit to an extreme. The Michael Bay effect is when people are impressed by effects and shock value rather than depth and substance. I mean I dislike the ending but it wasn't nearly THAT bad.

And that's a fair argument. Perhaps I was being too black and white about the whole thing. My apologies.

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