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Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
Did they both attend the hospital?

The final entry got me thinking. The story ends with Tim and Jessica, right? Well, what if it began with them?

Entry #32, Jessica: "And I keep having these dreams where I'm a little kid, and something's watching me."
Entry #66, Tim: "When I saw that footage you got from him. [Alex.] That...person in the background, or whatever it was, I couldn't help but think: What if that was what I was seeing while I was in here? [The hospital.]"

Is it possible that the Operator haunted Jessica as a child, just as it did Tim? And if so, did it do so because they were both patients at the mental hospital? (The title "Operator" of course has connotations with a hospital.) We don't know anything about Jessica's past. However, we do know that when she wakes up in a hotel room with memory loss, she doesn't call/run off to family. Perhaps that's because, long beforehand, as a child, she was dumped in the mental hospital like Tim, and abandoned thereafter. The final entry is ambiguous about how long Tim and Jessica have known one another.

If Jessica was also haunted as a child, who's to say she wasn't as responsible for the Operator being in everybody's lives as Tim was? She was connected to Amy, who was connected to Alex. As Tim asks Alex in Entry #86: "What makes you think I'm the only source?"

Theoretically speaking, if both Tim and Jessica were at the mental hospital, haunted by the Operator, it's possible that all the young patients were. A character of the upcoming movie could be revealed to be a patient from the same hospital.

Before anyone labels me incorrect, I'm aware that the creators went out of their way to communicate that Tim is the source; that he spread it to Alex. My only goal is to offer food for thought. What if Tim and Jessica were at the mental hospital together? And, even if we remove Jessica from the equation, do you think Tim infected the other patients?

Entry #86, Tim: "There could be hundreds of others. Thousands."

EDIT:
Why would Tim go out of his way to keep Jessica out of the Marble Hornets entries until the very last one? One possible answer: Because they were acquainted beyond what was shown. Tim even refused to break character when tortured, knife-wielding Jay pursued revenge for her 'death'. Isn't that a bit far to go for someone you don't have a history with? Lastly: Perhaps Hoody's "Liar" accusations were in regards to Tim and Jessica already knowing one another, and Tim playing dumb to Jay. After all, ToTheArk video, "Null", communicates: "Who is left to hear the ~~your~~ secret", followed shortly by: "Do you know ... I have for years".

ANOTHER EDIT:
During their Reddit AMA, when asked how Tim found Jessica, Trosephim answered: "They were in the same area and Jessica went to the same doctor. When they met would be up for debate."

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:53 pm
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Re: Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
My apologies if this has already been discussed.

In general I like this idea. Jessica does drop hints about having had a troubled past when she's in the hotel, and shows signs of paranoia when she challenges Jay. I also like the idea of there being more a link between Alex/Amy/Jessica/Tim. I've been bothered by that since Entry #70 and nobody else seems to care that it seems to be a very very convenient coincidence.

Bulb wrote:

(The title "Operator" of course has connotations with a hospital.)

We've got to be careful here because now we know who totheark were (Brian and Tim as Hoody and Masky.) They probably didn't have access to any more information about the origin of the operator that we do at the moment, so I'd be inclined to think that Brian thought "I first saw this thing in a hospital, so I'll call it the operator" rather than assume he has any special knowledge.

Bulb wrote:

Entry #86, Tim: "There could be hundreds of others. Thousands."

I'm pretty sure Tim's refering to us when he says this. I got the impression that by watching the series we became complicit sources for other people to be infected.

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:31 pm

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Re: Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
My apologies if this has already been discussed.

Bulb wrote:

I'm not gonna say you're incorrect. I'm gonna say that while it's a theory I'd like to roll with, I can't. Not enough evidence. I know that Jessica mentioned the dreams. But it seemed from the in-series evidence that they were raised by the goings on in the hotel and whatever TO was and was doing to her and to Jay. My thought on this is that, like the dead animals that Tim said Brian had found on his lawn or the spooky ghost story that Alex tells Jay in the forest (Entry #38?), it's the THAC boys doing due deference to Victor Surge's creation and showing their inspiration and their thanks for it while going their own way. It's hard to explain what I mean, but it's a form of allusion found in literature (especially poetry), in music (think Bob Dylan's purported "plagiarisms"), in cinema (the Coen Brothers do this all the time), and even in games. These are three aspects of the Slenderman myth that found their way into MH, a Slenderman-inspired series and ARE, but don't necessarily have anything to do with The Operator (we don't know what was the origin of that story Tim told Jay in Entry #15; Word Of God said that the ghost story was just Alex trying to rattle Jay and draw him deeper into the woods; Jessica's dreams are mentioned when the poor woman's on the verge of a complete collapse). If anything, they show, despite the fact that the first season was more about atmosphere than plot or myth development and some other flaws in their writing [long dialogues are still erratic], quite a bit of skill. They're quite sophisticated in ways that I haven't seen any of the other Slender-inspired vlogs be.

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:46 pm

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Jessica Info - What I've gathered so far...
...Take from it what you will...

Gotta admit that this is somewhat likely. We don't know how Tim knows her, but they are clearly from the same town, and were likely childhood friends. Since Tim was in Hospital as a child, along with his anti-social behaviour, it is perfectly possible to read in to that as meaning Jessica was in the same hospital as Tim and this was how they met.

However, the last entry suggests that Tim and Jessica know/knew eachother from going to the same doctor's, rather than the hospital. But is it likely to become friends with someone who just goes to the same GP as you?

Actually, was it ever confirmed that the Doctor's office place was just a General Practitioners surgury, or that it was more along the lines of a Mental Health clinic? If it was the latter, then I can see an increase of likelihood that they may have gotten to know eachother from there than it would were it just a regular doctors surgury. And on top of that, if they were both going to a Mental Health Clinic, then it is quite plausable that they were both in the Hospital at some point too.

I wish Tim had elaborated more on his time in the Hospital, but I can understand that it wouldn't be stuff he would like to broadcast on camera/YouTube.

Anyway. I have been slowly rewatching the whole of MH, and I've been jotting notes here and there. I wondered whether it was worth making a full-on Jessica thread for people to speculate on, but didn't want to seem like a spammer when this thread is here....

Here is what I've gathered on Jessica so far during my re-watch:

Jessica and Tim
In Entry 31, when Jay asks Jessica about Rosswood Park, she says "I may have been there as a kid"

Tim seems to also be from Rosswod town, since the Hospital is there. Quite likely Tim and Jessica were childhood friends? Tim (or rather, Masky) could be annoyed at Jay for getting Jessica involved. (Possibly re-involved with what little we can speculate on Jessica and Tim possibly knowing eachother from childhood.)

Tim then moves away from Rosswood town. He becomes friends with Brian, who has him meet Alex and becomes involved with the Marble Hornets film in 2006. He states that Alex was Brian's friend, not his, in Entry #15. Meanwhile, it looks like Jessica stayed at Rosswood town the whole time.

Jessica, Amy and Alex
Jessica became house mates with Amy in Rosswood town, and Alex began dating Amy at some point too. In Entry 70, Alex calls Amy and tells her:

"I forgot to tell you this the other day. I found out that one of the guys in the movie is actually from that area around your school."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah, it's someone that I got to play one of the smaller parts. We were talking about filming locations and he mentioned a few up there that you might know of."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah. When I found out, I told him that's weird, Amy's actually going to school there."

This suggests that Amy was not actually from Rosswood town, but only going to school there. This was likely when she became house mates with Jessica. This explains why Tim knows Jessica already, but not Amy. Tim moved away before Jessica met Amy.

Alex continues:
"I'm gonna come visit you soon, okay?"
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah, and while I'm up there, I might actually film a few things for Marble Hornets."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Actually, uh, I've been thinking. I might try to transfer there after I'm done shooting all this."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah, I mean, the film program there is better than the one I'm at now so, I mean, that's what I've heard at least."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"And, also I don't like being this far away from you."
Amy replies but it can't be heard. Sounds like she laughs.
"Uh, anyway, I'm really tired from shooting today so I'm just gonna go to bed."

This suggests that this is where Alex went after ending production on Marble Hornets. He went and lived with Amy. Entry #26 also backs this up. Entry #26 also shows that Alex and Amy had been together for at least 4 years (if the time stamp is to be believed). It is unclear whether Jessica stayed with Alex and Amy under the same roof, but when Alex finds Jessica in Entry #76, they clearly remember each other reasonably well.

Jessica and Jay - Entries #32-33
In Entry #32, Jessica complains to Jay that something is wrong. Interestingly, she notes:
"I keep having these dreams where I'm a little kid and something's watching me."
Could this suggest that she has encountered The Operator before... when she was a kid... when she was around Tim?

In Entry #32, we see Jessica has very dark circles under her eyes, just the same as Jay did in the TTA video Return when The Operator glides past him in the corridor.

Also, in Entry #32, the footage seems to do a skip thing where two frames keep alternating for a second before going back to normal. The first time this happens is at 1.41 when she mentions coughing fits just before the screen tear and the shot goes dark. The second time this happens is at 2.22 when she is closing the door on him. Interestingly, this is the same kind of jumpy shot of Jessica that we see in the TTA video File.

When Jay goes back through to Jessica's room in Entry #33, her bed is all messed up with the covers thrown almost off. Near the end of Entry #32, before she closes the door on him, her bed is seen with the covers over it. Jay didn't hear anything, including Hoody and Masky taking Jessica away � Also, when Jessica was being carried out, she was asleep or unconscious. Did Jay have another time lapse and not even know it? Since we can't tell the time of day (or even which day) in Entry #32, we can't really tell if Jay blacked out in between Entry #32 and Entry #33.

To make things easier, here is the Wiki Timeline (I removed the Entry descriptions from it here, as they must only be guesstimates, so these are only the tweets.):

Sunday, December 26, 2010:
12:24 PM: Looking for Entry #29's location this week. Who knows if it's even around here though.

Sunday, January 2, 2011:
9:39 PM: I've been searching on and off all week. Entry #31 tomorrow.

Tuesday, January 4, 2011:
1:37 AM: Entry #31 will be uploaded in about 30 minutes.
2:00 AM: Entry #31 is uploaded.
2:38 AM: Entry #31: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXGZDr4btE
3:00 AM: I said no to Jessica because I'm not 100% sure she's on my side yet. It was reflex.
6:00 PM: A better quality version of entry #31 has been uploaded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL0URnfDBos , sorry about that.

Wednesday, January 12, 2011:
9:12 PM: Entry #32 is being uploaded now.
9:14 PM: Entry #32 is uploaded.

Tuesday, January 18, 2011:
10:57 PM: Entry #33 will be uploaded tonight.
11:59 PM: Entry #33 is uploaded.

Wednesday, January 19, 2011:
1:06 AM: Entry #33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_lgYbjAKG

You can see that Entry #32 must have taken place some time between Tuesday 4th January at 6pm, and Wednesday 12th January at 9.12pm. On the other hand, Jessica's kidnap in between Entry #32 and Entry #33 must have taken place at some time between Tuesday 4th January at 6pm (but after Entry #32's content happened) and Tuesday 18th January at 10.57pm (when Jay tweets that Entry #33 will be uploaded that night). That is a massive 2 weeks, 4 hours and 57 minutes difference!

I know that in-game time is considered different to real-life time, and the boys need time to record and stuff. But what if there is a gap of time IG between Entry #32 and Entry #33 where Jay had a blackout or memory loss, during which Jessica had been taken?

The Evidence:
- Entry #76 shows us that Jessica was asleep or unconscious while slumped over Masky. If Masky/Hoody have the ability to put people in a trance, then it could equally have happened to Jay too, except Jay doesn't recover in a strange place, so he wasn't aware any blackout happened.

- Entry #76 shows that Masky and Hoody were going through the woods on foot, and when Masky goes back (presumably for Jay) he walks/limps away, rather than just teleporting/timey-wimey stuff. This would suggest that the time it would take getting Jessica out into the woods and then back again (with a damaged leg) would be longer than the time it would take to quickly upload the entry.

- Entry #32 shows Jessica's bed covers covering the bed. In Entry #33, Jay finds the bed with the covers almost thrown off. Why would Masky/Hoody throw the covers off the bed if Jessica was supposedly just packing up? It seems as though Jessica had fallen asleep at some point, then Masky/Hoody come in and pull the covers back to lift her up and carry her out.

- Jay presumably didn't hear anything going on in Jessica's room in-between Entries. Hoody/Masky were being quiet, but I would think that Jay would have heard some suspicious movement next door.

- He tells Jessica to leave her door open at the end of Entry #32. As he goes back into his room, the video freezes when he moves the adjoining door on his side. It isn't fully clear if he left his adjoining door open or not in Entry #32, but listening to the audio (which does not cut out or distort) it sounds like he didn't close it at all. Yet in Entry #33, when he goes to the doors again, his door is shut.

- The dark circles under Jessica's eyes in Entry #32 suggest she may have been tranced, just like Jay was in Entry #24/Return.

IG it wouldn't even have to be a long blackout/memory loss. Just enough time for Hoody and Masky to get Jessica out of there. Although, it's worth noting that in Entry #76, Masky carries Jessica far in to Rosswood with Hoody, and then disappears off in the way he came, presumably to go back and deal with Jay, as shown in Entry #33. Unless they teleported/timey-wimey stuff (which #76 doesn't really suggest here), that would presumably take longer than just a few minutes (but rather unlikely to take 2 weeks either.) Also, Jessica was slumped over Masky's shoulder, either asleep or unconscious. Not sure which one I believe. Jessica's bed was messed up as if she had been asleep in between Entries #32/33 and the covers thrown right back, as though Masky had just taken her while she slept. But surely even the deepest of sleepers would wake while being carried through a forest? So I dunno. Maybe a bit of both?

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:22 pm

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Re: Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
My apologies if this has already been discussed.

aidansean wrote:

While I like OP's idea , I don't think we can sketch out Jessica's actions from paronia alone: she had spotted this spaced out guy who was filming everything, including her, every time she saw him. I've always thought that Jessica made the story on the fly to get Jay to leave her alone, which is a pretty natural response to the situation. As for 'challenging him', well, I'm not sure you can really put it down to that: Jessica had seen just how lost, confused and afraid Jay was and saw how it mirroed her own situation: yes, she called him out on his excuses, but well, for all she knew, he could have been involved in putting her in the hotel and messing up her memory in the first place, as much as as he could have been another victim.

Did she get frustrated at his excuses? Yeah, but it's understandable because she just wanted to understand what the fuck was going on and Jay was talking bullshit. She'd been there for what - three weeks? It's a natural response to the situation. Jessica didn't strike me as being either unreasonable or show signs of mental illness because of it.

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:32 pm

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Re: Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
My apologies if this has already been discussed.

Jordan wrote:

aidansean wrote:

Well, Jay kinda was responsible for putting Jessica in that situation, Jordan--even though he didn't know it at the time.

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:36 pm

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I also like the idea of there being more a link between Alex/Amy/Jessica/Tim. I've been bothered by that since Entry #70 and nobody else seems to care that it seems to be a very very convenient coincidence.

What coincidence? That Tim, Alex, & Amy come from Rosswood? That just doesn't seem that strange to me. The 2 towns are fairly close together, & the other town is referred to as "College Town," so that explains why people of Jay's age from Rosswood would go there.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:12 am

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Re: Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
My apologies if this has already been discussed.

aidansean wrote:

You're correct. I just thought I'd mention it as an aside. OOG, was it ever confirmed why Trosephim used "The Operator" instead of "Slender Man"?

aidansean wrote:

I'm pretty sure Tim's refering to us when he says this. I got the impression that by watching the series we became complicit sources for other people to be infected.

Is there any evidence to support this? I'm not saying you're wrong; I just find your theory interesting. In the past, I suspected that the series would end with Jay (later, Tim) realising that he had infected us; a darker note than the ambiguous (imo preferable) way it did.
Back to my original theory, if we were to assume that Tim had been haunted by the Operator before being sent to the mental hospital, it makes sense that Tim should infect them in the same way he seems to passively infect Alex in Entry #84, as well as the rest of the Marble Hornets crew. There's the possibility that he realised this, and realised that the patients have taken the Operator "disease" out into the world. *cue the Rise of the Planet of the Apes end credits*

lonsumtravlr wrote:

I know that Jessica mentioned the dreams. But it seemed from the in-series evidence that they were raised by the goings on in the hotel and whatever TO was and was doing to her and to Jay.

I would be inclined to agree with you, except for the fact that no one else mentions having dreams of this sort. Which leads me to question: Why did only Jessica seem to suffer this? Perhaps Jessica's recent exposure to the Operator scratched the surface of memories previously Slender-wiped - memories which (without a camera,) could only be accessed in her subconscious.

lonsumtravlr wrote:

If anything, they show, despite the fact that the first season was more about atmosphere than plot or myth development and some other flaws in their writing [long dialogues are still erratic], quite a bit of skill. They're quite sophisticated in ways that I haven't seen any of the other Slender-inspired vlogs be.

I agree. Now that the final entry's out, I suspect that watching the series through will unveil even more novelties in the writing, especially in seasons 2 & 3; moments or concepts which we'll view in a different light, now that we've seen how it all played out.

Avrielle_Aniko wrote:

Actually, was it ever confirmed that the Doctor's office place was just a General Practitioners surgury, or that it was more along the lines of a Mental Health clinic?

That's an interesting question to ask. I'm ignorant of mental health institutions - Do they perform regular checkups on patients who aren't physically in the institution, and do they prescribe medicine for said patients?

Avrielle_Aniko wrote:

I wondered whether it was worth making a full-on Jessica thread for people to speculate on, but didn't want to seem like a spammer when this thread is here....

As you can tell from my post count, I'm a new member, so I'm not sure how much or how little value would be associated with a Jessica thread. With that said, I appreciate you posting your findings, since you've fleshed out the (hypothetical) backstory well and provided a good reference point for Jessica's activity.

Avrielle_Aniko wrote:

In Entry 31, when Jay asks Jessica about Rosswood Park, she says "I may have been there as a kid". Tim seems to also be from Rosswod town, since the Hospital is there. Quite likely Tim and Jessica were childhood friends? Tim (or rather, Masky) could be annoyed at Jay for getting Jessica involved. (Possibly re-involved with what little we can speculate on Jessica and Tim possibly knowing eachother from childhood.)"

On a similar note: "If I'm right and Tim really was friends with Jessica before Entry #59, then learning about Jay's involvement with her disappearance may be extra reason why he punched him the face." Posted by 'DHawk314' on the thread for Entry #87.

Avrielle_Aniko wrote:

Could this suggest that she has encountered The Operator before... when she was a kid... when she was around Tim?

If this were true, it might also be possible that she later learned to maintain a 'normal' life, and 'forgot' about the Operator, like Tim seemed to between Season 2 and 3. Tim says to Jay in Entry #59: "But then suddenly it [Masky] stops, and I start getting better, and I can hold steady work and I can function like a normal human being for once in my life, and then suddenly you show up, pointing a camera in my face, bringing back old memories like it couldn't possibly have any effect on anybody else." If the theory is correct, then Jessica could echo Tim's statement; in fact, Tim could be speaking on both of their behalf.

Jordan wrote:

She'd been there for what - three weeks? It's a natural response to the situation. Jessica didn't strike me as being either unreasonable or show signs of mental illness because of it.

Her behaviour towards Jay could be argued one way or the other, imo. However, isn't the fact that she remained for three weeks at a hotel she didn't remember going to, sharing adjoining rooms with a bizarre cameraman, unusual? Or was blanking out and waking up in strange places not a onetime thing for Jessica, like it wasn't for Tim? Like you said, she only opened up to Jay when he "mirrored her own situation" - Until then, she kept to herself and acted reasonably normal, instead of leaving.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:45 am
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I'd say Tim and Jessica at least knew each other through the same clinic. Thinking they went to the same hospital seems reasonable, but not too much evidence backs this up. She may have been stalked by ol' Oppy when she was a kid though

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:53 am

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I disagree with how close the two towns are. I forget which Entry, but when Tim tells Alex about the Hospital for a filming location, Alex asks "how far is it?" and Tim replies "Far enough that we'd probably need to split gas money."

In Entry #70, Alex phones Amy and says:
"I forgot to tell you this the other day. I found out that one of the guys in the movie is actually from that area around your school."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah, it's someone that I got to play one of the smaller parts. We were talking about filming locations and he mentioned a few up there that you might know of."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah. When I found out, I told him that's weird, Amy's actually going to school there."

If Alex had originally been from Rosswood town, then surely he wouldn't have been talking to Amy like this, and also, he would have been like "Oh, I used to live there!"

"I'm gonna come visit you soon, okay?"
[...]
"And, also I don't like being this far away from you."

These lines also shed light that the two towns are not that close, since surely he would visit his girlfriend more if he could.

"Actually, uh, I've been thinking. I might try to transfer there after I'm done shooting all this."
Amy replies but it can't be heard.
"Yeah, I mean, the film program there is better than the one I'm at now so, I mean, that's what I've heard at least."

If 'College Town' is so called, just because it is the college that Rosswood folks go to as it is near by, then it seems awfully strange that they would flock to the film college that isn't as good!

'College Town' is so-called because we don't have an IG name for the place, and it is where Alex went to college, and it was where the student film was made for that college back in 2006.

The question really is how he met Amy if they are from different towns. But it is possible that Amy wasn't raised there, just moved there for the college. I say this because while listening closely through my decent earphones at Entry #12 where TO stands near the shoot, it sounds like the camerawoman's voice is much more like Amy's than Sarah's. I also question if Amy was in the backseat in Entry #7, rather than Sarah. It seems more likely to be Amy to me. So this suggests (along with Alex' theory in #86 and the coming out of Amy's death at Alex' hands in the same Entry) that Amy was in fact hovering around College Town in '06 before moving to Rosswood Town.

BUT, and this is a big but.

When reading your post, I wondered if perhaps this is what entry #37 was supposed to show, and as young children, they all knew eachother somehow and were all there as kids at Alex' birthday party. I dunno though. Seems like a stretch.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:34 am

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Re: Was Jessica a mental patient like Tim?
My apologies if this has already been discussed.

Bulb wrote:

I'm pretty sure Tim's refering to us when he says this. I got the impression that by watching the series we became complicit sources for other people to be infected.

Is there any evidence to support this?[/quote]

No direct evidence really, but it wouldn't be the first time Trosephim broke the fourth wall. At the end of one of the DVDs (Season 1, I think) the credits roll and there's a visual tear. I also think it's unlikely that Tim would use the word "thousands" to mean anything other than the audience. I think if he was referring to the hospital he'd have used a smaller number. When given a choice between two equally likely interpretations I always pick the scarier one!

Bulb wrote:

I'm not saying you're wrong; I just find your theory interesting. In the past, I suspected that the series would end with Jay (later, Tim) realising that he had infected us; a darker note than the ambiguous (imo preferable) way it did.
Back to my original theory, if we were to assume that Tim had been haunted by the Operator before being sent to the mental hospital, it makes sense that Tim should infect them in the same way he seems to passively infect Alex in Entry #84, as well as the rest of the Marble Hornets crew. There's the possibility that he realised this, and realised that the patients have taken the Operator "disease" out into the world. *cue the Rise of the Planet of the Apes end credits*

Okay, that's really creepy! I suppose the only downside to that theory is how quickly it would spread. It should have spread around the world about 10 times in the past five years. Unless there's something special about how it gets spread somehow.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:44 am

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Lithp wrote:

Quote:

Avrielle's already given a very long response to this, so I'll just sketch out what we know (or what we think we know.) The information's spread out over many entries, so it's hard to pin down the details.

From what Tim said, and from Tim/Jay's roadtrip the distance between CollegeTown and Rosswood Town is huge. There would be hundreds of towns just like Rosswood that distance from CollegeTown or closer.

As a child Tim is taken to the hospital in Rosswood, and is already the victim of the operator. After some treatment he ends up living a normal life and goes to school in CollegeTown where he meets Brian and Alex. (So far so good.)

Before the end of summer 2006 Alex is already dating Amy, who goes to school elsewhere and lives hundreds of miles away. They then find out that Tim is from Rosswood and seem surprised by the coincidence.

So my question is: how did Alex meet Amy? Did they happen to go to college at these towns purely by chance? It's possible, of course, but I think it would be more interesting if there was something more to all this. For example what if Amy had experience with the operator herself and tried to help people who had been abducted? If Alex got teleported to Rosswood Park that could explain why he ended up in the wrong part of the country, lost and alone etc. If Jessica and Tim were at the same hospital than this could explain how Amy and Jessica met and ended up being roommates.

Alternatively Alex knew more than he was letting on, and he needed a covnenient excuse to head up to Rosswood every now and then.

This seemingly leaves a loose end- why did Amy act the way she did in Entry #26? We already know that the operator can wipe people's minds to the extent that they forget all about it. Jay was living a normal life in 2009, completely unaware of all the run-ins he'd had back in 2006, so it's not unreasonable to think the same of Amy.

I find it hard to accept that different characters were moving huge distances between both these towns in both directions without some common factor. It seems like clumsy story telling to do that, and Trosephim are better than that. I think they're hinting at some other connection (that we may never know about.) And let's not forget that Alex burned all the Amy tapes, including one where he's blatantly lying to her.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:05 am

Lithp
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If Alex had originally been from Rosswood town, then surely he wouldn't have been talking to Amy like this, and also, he would have been like "Oh, I used to live there!"

For starters, I heard from someone else that Alex came from Rosswood. I can't keep track of the Marble Hornets chronology to save my life.

With that said, I still don't see any more significance than idle chit-chat. Plus, we know that Alex wasn't being entirely honest in that conversation.

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If 'College Town' is so called, just because it is the college that Rosswood folks go to as it is near by, then it seems awfully strange that they would flock to the film college that isn't as good!

I didn't realize there was another college in Rosswood, but I'm pretty sure they aren't all film students. Alex, obviously, & I think Jay also says that he is, but other than that, I don't recall anyone saying as much.

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The question really is how he met Amy if they are from different towns. But it is possible that Amy wasn't raised there, just moved there for the college.

Various possibilities. Internet dating, visiting family, introduced by a friend of a friend....

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When reading your post, I wondered if perhaps this is what entry #37 was supposed to show, and as young children, they all knew eachother somehow and were all there as kids at Alex' birthday party. I dunno though. Seems like a stretch.

Not really what I was going for.

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Before the end of summer 2006 Alex is already dating Amy, who goes to school elsewhere and lives hundreds of miles away. They then find out that Tim is from Rosswood and seem surprised by the coincidence

Wait, is the phrase "hundreds of miles" actually used? Because that would make a pretty big difference. Requiring (relatively) a lot of gas money, being too long to go there regularly, those are all things that I could see from a town a couple of hours away.

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I find it hard to accept that different characters were moving huge distances between both these towns in both directions without some common factor. It seems like clumsy story telling to do that, and Trosephim are better than that. I think they're hinting at some other connection (that we may never know about.) And let's not forget that Alex burned all the Amy tapes, including one where he's blatantly lying to her.

But this would pretty much necessitate clunky storytelling, since it relies on some big connection that we were never made aware of. Speaking of, given that the series is over, if it looks like nothing's going on in a certain part, I'm saying that nothing is probably going on there.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:21 am

aidansean
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Lithp wrote:

aidansean wrote:

I don't think it's ever said how far it is explicitly. From Entry #27 we know that Jay doesn't know Rosswood or the area at all so I'd take that to mean quite far away (as in he doesn't recognise any route numbers.)

In Entry #69 Jay and Tim are driving back to CollegeTown, and they take a pit stop, and they both complain about being tired of driving The JayText then states "After a few days of driving, Tim and I finally arrived back in the area where we used to live." Unless they're really bad at driving, that's got to be around 1,000 miles or so.

Lithp wrote:

aidansean wrote:

Given how much of the story is already missing (pretty much everything that happened in 2006) I don't think it's a stretch to say that there would be some parts that are missed out. Having tantalising hints of some kind of connection is exactly the kind of thing that would work in this case, at least in my opinion.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:23 am

leadmetodeath
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Avrielle_Aniko wrote:

BUT, and this is a big but.

When reading your post, I wondered if perhaps this is what entry #37 was supposed to show, and as young children, they all knew eachother somehow and were all there as kids at Alex' birthday party. I dunno though. Seems like a stretch.

I agree with you on this theory. Even though I got this theory also from Entry 84 and Alex Kralie trailer. Never from Jessica entries.

Entry 84 because even though Brian has been with Tim for a long time but he has never infected by TO and Brian also befriend Alex at same moment yet Alex didn't infected. But Alex that met Tim just once instantly got infected. It was like Brian already able to repel TO infection. I always wonder. If Brian wasn't there, would any of this will happen? Because if they really know eachother since childhood, I don't think it's only require Tim to be someone infected, it's three of them, cause in Entry 84 this is the first time three of them met. While the trailer and script... I don't think I should tell you the detail. But Tim mask metaphor, Brian hoodie, Brian script on Entry 7. It was like Alex was witness it all by himself. Like it has happen since his childhood.

This is more or less why I agree with your theory.

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:48 am

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