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[SPEC]Why The Operator Shows Up
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[SPEC]Why The Operator Shows Up
Looking at each time could help uncover its intentions...maybe....probably not....oh well...

I've decided to log each time we see the Operator show up in the entire series. I will only log a direct visual of it, so for example entry 2 doesn't count. we cant really trust Alex anyway. Hopefully it helps.

Oh, and If I can, I will speculate on what its doing in the entry.

Entry 1: Outside Alex's house, its looking for Alex?

Entry 4: At the playground at night. Did it just appear for Alex?

Entry 5: In the woods in the background. Maybe just spying on Alex.

Entry 6. Outside Alex's house, still looking for Alex?

Entry 7: In the alley behing Brian's head. Stalking Alex, again...

Entry 10: Following Alex around in some tall grass at night.

Entry 11: Ok so not a direct visual but we see its presumed shadow brush by the wall.

Entry 12: Standing there. Why would it just openly watch the crew shoot MH?

Entry 13: Stands behind the gate and then intercepts Alex as he runs by the building. Probably just trying to get to Alex for something.

Entry 14: Enters Alex's room at night. More stalking I assume.

Entry 17: Standing behind Tim. Tim is uneasy until he has water I think. Just stalking?

Return: Ignores Jay, walks towards camera. What does it want in this video?

Admission?: Not sure if that is him in the video.

Entry 23: Jay gets some 1 on 1 alone time with the Operator. Maybe its TO's first acknowledgement of Jay? Could explain the whole "Stay home, be alone" shit in Warning. which also makes sense if it could spread to others.

Entry 26: TO "attacks" Alex and Amy. Why did it go after them? Is that really when Alex killed Amy or something?

Well, season 1 complete. I will do the other seasons later (they are definitely more important and confusing.) If anyone wants to do them for me, feel free. Thread is far from over.

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In the latest entries it was - for me - like: the tension grows, Operator shows up.

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- Entry #29: No context at all, but shows up in the tunnel, presumably Alex is filming. In Rosswood, which related to Tim's childhood, and this may relate to the Operator.

- enttry #37: Might not really be there, but the Slender Man has a history of stalking children, and we see something similar later with Tim.

- Entry #40: Also in Rosswood. It's possible that Alex invited Jay out there to lure him to the Operator. Otherwise, the Operator may simply be following Jay since Entry #23. He does seem to go after Jay though, at least at first. Brian is also present, following Jay, as implied by "Intermission" and revealed in Entry #41.

- Entry #43: Alex walks towards the Operator, going to Rosswood, seemingly as part of a purposely effort to see the Operator. This is the first entry to really imply the Operator is controlling Alex.

- Entry #44: Alex draws some Operator imagery first, which may summon it, especially if 1 was supposed to immediately follow 8. It takes Alex from his room, presumably to the same place it took him after 43.

- Entry #45: Doesn't appear on camera, but the screen tears, causing Tim and Brian to run away. totheark later alludes to seeing it in "Classified". First instance of the Operator stopping Tim and Brian from killing Alex.

- Entry #48: Appears in background, presumably shortly before or after Alex kills the guy in 49, fairly nearby. Someone, implied in 50 to be Tim, is following Jay. Jay is filming, the Operator may be following him and/or Tim.

- Entry #49: First on-camera instance of the Operator taking a dead body. Seems to be helping Alex hide the evidence, but later the Operator takes bodies Alex didn't kill. Might just be a thing the Operator does.

- Entry #52: The Operator wipes Jay and Jessica's memory. Either followed Jessica home from Rosswood with Alex after Alex tried to kill her, or was there because Jessica was next to Jay. Wiping their memories makes it easier for Alex to try and kill Jessica in 76, so the Operator might be helping Alex. This is the only confirmed time that the Operator wipes memories retroactively, as opposed to simply putting someone into a state of not retaining memories, such as with Tim, or Jay in 72/74. The only exception is Jessica not remembering Jay in 87, implying another wipe in 76 or some time.

- Entry # 54: Tim and Alex are both there he's stalking them, he does something cut off at the end.

- Entry #56: Once again Alex attacks someone and the Operator takes hold of them. Plus, not only is it Tim, it's near the hospital that he grew up in.

- Entry #57: The Operator presumably appears at the end in the hospital itself, implying he followed either Tim or Alex there.

- Entry #60: In hospital from Tim's childhood, plus the Operator is probably following Jay. Jay also hears someone upstairs, implied to be either Brian or Alex.

- Entry #64/65: Alex reveals he is nearby, and the Operator shows up, attacking Tim. Jay was also there, but he runs away. totheark video "Display" implied Brian was nearby as well, as does Entry #67.

- Entry #67: Once again the Operator stops Brian and Tim from killing Alex.

- Entry #70: Same playground as Entry #4, the Operator does seemingly appear for Alex.

- Entry #72: The Operator appears outside first, after Jay hallucinates him in that spot. Implications of this are unknown. Regardless, it ends up following Jay and Tim into the basement, and then back outside. It attacks Jay, but disappears when Tim approaches after taking his new medicine.

- Entry #76: The Operator attacks Jessica and takes her body after Alex fails to shoot her. She doesn't actually die.

- Entry #80: The Operator takes Jay's (dying) body.

- Entry #82: The Operator is clearly following Jay at this point, although he's also in Rosswood park, which is warping around.

- Entry #83: The Operator teleports around Tim and Brian, and then takes Brian's body.

- Entry #86: The Operator teleports around Tim and Alex, and then takes Alex's body. Right before Tim can completely kill him, the Operator does seem to try and stop Tim.
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DHawk314 wrote:
- Entry #29: No context at all, but shows up in the tunnel, presumably Alex is filming. In Rosswood, which related to Tim's childhood, and this may relate to the Operator.

- enttry #37: Might not really be there, but the Slender Man has a history of stalking children, and we see something similar later with Tim.

- Entry #40: Also in Rosswood. It's possible that Alex invited Jay out there to lure him to the Operator. Otherwise, the Operator may simply be following Jay since Entry #23. He does seem to go after Jay though, at least at first. Brian is also present, following Jay, as implied by "Intermission" and revealed in Entry #41.

- Entry #43: Alex walks towards the Operator, going to Rosswood, seemingly as part of a purposely effort to see the Operator. This is the first entry to really imply the Operator is controlling Alex.

- Entry #44: Alex draws some Operator imagery first, which may summon it, especially if 1 was supposed to immediately follow 8. It takes Alex from his room, presumably to the same place it took him after 43.

- Entry #45: Doesn't appear on camera, but the screen tears, causing Tim and Brian to run away. totheark later alludes to seeing it in "Classified". First instance of the Operator stopping Tim and Brian from killing Alex.

- Entry #48: Appears in background, presumably shortly before or after Alex kills the guy in 49, fairly nearby. Someone, implied in 50 to be Tim, is following Jay. Jay is filming, the Operator may be following him and/or Tim.

- Entry #49: First on-camera instance of the Operator taking a dead body. Seems to be helping Alex hide the evidence, but later the Operator takes bodies Alex didn't kill. Might just be a thing the Operator does.

- Entry #52: The Operator wipes Jay and Jessica's memory. Either followed Jessica home from Rosswood with Alex after Alex tried to kill her, or was there because Jessica was next to Jay. Wiping their memories makes it easier for Alex to try and kill Jessica in 76, so the Operator might be helping Alex. This is the only confirmed time that the Operator wipes memories retroactively, as opposed to simply putting someone into a state of not retaining memories, such as with Tim, or Jay in 72/74. The only exception is Jessica not remembering Jay in 87, implying another wipe in 76 or some time.

- Entry # 54: Tim and Alex are both there he's stalking them, he does something cut off at the end.

- Entry #56: Once again Alex attacks someone and the Operator takes hold of them. Plus, not only is it Tim, it's near the hospital that he grew up in.

- Entry #57: The Operator presumably appears at the end in the hospital itself, implying he followed either Tim or Alex there.

- Entry #60: In hospital from Tim's childhood, plus the Operator is probably following Jay. Jay also hears someone upstairs, implied to be either Brian or Alex.

- Entry #64/65: Alex reveals he is nearby, and the Operator shows up, attacking Tim. Jay was also there, but he runs away. totheark video "Display" implied Brian was nearby as well, as does Entry #67.

- Entry #67: Once again the Operator stops Brian and Tim from killing Alex.

- Entry #70: Same playground as Entry #4, the Operator does seemingly appear for Alex.

- Entry #72: The Operator appears outside first, after Jay hallucinates him in that spot. Implications of this are unknown. Regardless, it ends up following Jay and Tim into the basement, and then back outside. It attacks Jay, but disappears when Tim approaches after taking his new medicine.

- Entry #76: The Operator attacks Jessica and takes her body after Alex fails to shoot her. She doesn't actually die.

- Entry #80: The Operator takes Jay's (dying) body.

- Entry #82: The Operator is clearly following Jay at this point, although he's also in Rosswood park, which is warping around.

- Entry #83: The Operator teleports around Tim and Brian, and then takes Brian's body.

- Entry #86: The Operator teleports around Tim and Alex, and then takes Alex's body. Right before Tim can completely kill him, the Operator does seem to try and stop Tim.


DHawk, I know it's a minority interpretation, but I believe Alex is responsible for a lot of the teleporting in both Entry #83 and also Entry #86. There's clear mindfuckery going on there, and it's not clear that The Operator has a mind as we think of it (or an appropriate apparatus with which to do any sort of fuckery for that matter).

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
(snip)

- Entry #83: The Operator teleports around Tim and Brian, and then takes Brian's body.

- Entry #86: The Operator teleports around Tim and Alex, and then takes Alex's body. Right before Tim can completely kill him, the Operator does seem to try and stop Tim.


DHawk, I know it's a minority interpretation, but I believe Alex is responsible for a lot of the teleporting in both Entry #83 and also Entry #86. There's clear mindfuckery going on there, and it's not clear that The Operator has a mind as we think of it (or an appropriate apparatus with which to do any sort of fuckery for that matter).


It's worth noting that in Entry #86 Alex teleports to Brian just as he's making a point about him. I think at that point Alex had the ability to teleport himself around. I doubt Alex teleported Hoody and Tim in Entry #83 (the idea just seems very odd for some reason), although it might be the case that Hoody could teleport himself around at that point too.

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aidansean wrote:
It's worth noting that in Entry #86 Alex teleports to Brian just as he's making a point about him. I think at that point Alex had the ability to teleport himself around. I doubt Alex teleported Hoody and Tim in Entry #83 (the idea just seems very odd for some reason), although it might be the case that Hoody could teleport himself around at that point too.

I think it is quite clear that teleportation is a symptom of slendersickness.

- Tim-as-Masky seems to teleport into Jay's room in Entry 19 and uses this to abduct Jay.

- Jay, under external control, teleports in Entry 24.

- Hoody uses teleportation during the chase sequence in Entry 83.

- Alex does likewise in 86.

And that isn't even including all the locations like Rosswood or Brian's house where time and space have gone all fucky during the series, or the instances where the Operator seems to have teleported people. And the Operator itself teleports all the friggin' time.

The implication seems to be that the Operator's teleportation abilities are contagious to an extent, and the more exposure you get the less cohesive time and space gets for you. Imagine Brian if he were teleporting most of the time, with errands like making and posting the TTA videos or strolling to Tim's house to steal pills happening during brief islands of stability within the whirling chaos, and suddenly it makes sense that the TTA videos are the way they are: sanity isn't really an option if you're living like that.

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- Entry #51: The Operator appears at the end of the hospital hallway behind Brian, as Alex is shooting footage for Marble Hornets. It's implied that Alex brought Brian here alone specifically for the Operator, given the events of Entry #49, although it ends up being a bit of a botched job (since clearly Brian survived the ordeal).

EDIT: Also, there is a direct sighting in Entry #11. It's hard to see, but the Operator is outside one of Alex's windows at about the 1:06 mark (if I remember correctly). It still appears it's stalking Alex.

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Paige! wrote:
- Entry #51: The Operator appears at the end of the hospital hallway behind Brian, as Alex is shooting footage for Marble Hornets. It's implied that Alex brought Brian here alone specifically for the Operator, although it ends up being a bit of a botched job.

EDIT: Also, there is a direct sighting in Entry #11. It's hard to see, but the Operator is outside one of Alex's windows at about the 1:06 mark (if I remember correctly). It still appears it's stalking Alex.


Entry #51 is overall one of my favorite entries and one of the best entries. It's creepy, it's scary, it's well written and well acted. But what I can't help but wonder is this. What the hell happened between when TO appeared the first time in the old hallway when Alex disappeared? And what was it that happened between TO showing up when Brian finds Tim and Alex dragging what he'd believed was Brian's lifeless body into that room?

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aidansean wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
(snip)

- Entry #83: The Operator teleports around Tim and Brian, and then takes Brian's body.

- Entry #86: The Operator teleports around Tim and Alex, and then takes Alex's body. Right before Tim can completely kill him, the Operator does seem to try and stop Tim.


DHawk, I know it's a minority interpretation, but I believe Alex is responsible for a lot of the teleporting in both Entry #83 and also Entry #86. There's clear mindfuckery going on there, and it's not clear that The Operator has a mind as we think of it (or an appropriate apparatus with which to do any sort of fuckery for that matter).


It's worth noting that in Entry #86 Alex teleports to Brian just as he's making a point about him. I think at that point Alex had the ability to teleport himself around. I doubt Alex teleported Hoody and Tim in Entry #83 (the idea just seems very odd for some reason), although it might be the case that Hoody could teleport himself around at that point too.


See, I can't agree. There are only two ways that Tim and Hoody/Brian showed up in Tim's house with Jay's body sitting there that make any sense. Either it's a joint projection of their shared consciousnes, or someone who was trying to terrorize Tim or both created that scene. Alex is the one who wanted to shock both. In that entry TO just seems to be tagging along and maybe waiting for one of the two to die.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:

Entry #51 is overall one of my favorite entries and one of the best entries. It's creepy, it's scary, it's well written and well acted. But what I can't help but wonder is this. What the hell happened between when TO appeared the first time in the old hallway when Alex disappeared? And what was it that happened between TO showing up when Brian finds Tim and Alex dragging what he'd believed was Brian's lifeless body into that room?


Oh yeah, I forgot about when the Operator appears in the doorway. I know after seeing Entry #49 it seems like Alex lured Brian here (it doesn't help his case, in my opinion, that Alex seems to be acting strangely at the beginning when Brian asked where Seth was), but after reading your post that makes me wonder: what if the Operator really took Alex somewhere, much like in the various Entries is Season 2? I wouldn't know why that would be necessary or important, and that wouldn't explain why Alex dragged Brian off in the end, so maybe I've answered my own question.

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The Operator is in either entry regardless of if he's teleporting them. To me, it seems very similar to 65, where the Operator literally drags Tim on the ground, which to me indicated the Operator is teleporting him, not just that they're teleporting.

Jay's body in Tim's house, and the mirror in Tim's house in 83, only for it to be changed back to normal in 84 does basically imply some kind of fuckery. I doubt Alex is teleporting them. He'd teleport them both to him and shoot them in the faces.

I think it's more like that Jay's body was in the slenderverse, parallel to Tim's house. I think Brian probably did the message on the mirror and all the papers. I doubt that Brian always moved this way, we see him moving normally in 68 and 73. He doesn't teleport when he's running from Alex, and Alex doesn't teleport to him.

As for 51, try to remember that 51 is the day after 56 and 57.
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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Paige! wrote:
- Entry #51: The Operator appears at the end of the hospital hallway behind Brian, as Alex is shooting footage for Marble Hornets. It's implied that Alex brought Brian here alone specifically for the Operator, although it ends up being a bit of a botched job.

EDIT: Also, there is a direct sighting in Entry #11. It's hard to see, but the Operator is outside one of Alex's windows at about the 1:06 mark (if I remember correctly). It still appears it's stalking Alex.


Entry #51 is overall one of my favorite entries and one of the best entries. It's creepy, it's scary, it's well written and well acted. But what I can't help but wonder is this. What the hell happened between when TO appeared the first time in the old hallway when Alex disappeared? And what was it that happened between TO showing up when Brian finds Tim and Alex dragging what he'd believed was Brian's lifeless body into that room?


It's possible that the operator can only take someone when they are alone (or at least when nobody's looking). When Alex is filming Brian all the operator can do is give them some slender sickness. Alex uses this as an opportunity to ditch Brian and leave him as prey for the operator, but he doesn't realise that Tim is still around, so both he and Brian are safe.

In fact this theory works elsewhere too- when Alex tries to ditch Jay he actually films him writhing on the ground instead of leaving him to be taken. In Entry #22 Alex confirms that he "left" Seth, and implies that this is why Seth is "gone". Similarly when the operator has Jay at his mercy in Entry #72 Tim runs back and the operator seems unable to take Jay. Finally in Entry #86 Alex isn't taken until Tim is facing away.

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Paige! wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:

Entry #51 is overall one of my favorite entries and one of the best entries. It's creepy, it's scary, it's well written and well acted. But what I can't help but wonder is this. What the hell happened between when TO appeared the first time in the old hallway when Alex disappeared? And what was it that happened between TO showing up when Brian finds Tim and Alex dragging what he'd believed was Brian's lifeless body into that room?


Oh yeah, I forgot about when the Operator appears in the doorway. I know after seeing Entry #49 it seems like Alex lured Brian here (it doesn't help his case, in my opinion, that Alex seems to be acting strangely at the beginning when Brian asked where Seth was), but after reading your post that makes me wonder: what if the Operator really took Alex somewhere, much like in the various Entries is Season 2? I wouldn't know why that would be necessary or important, and that wouldn't explain why Alex dragged Brian off in the end, so maybe I've answered my own question.


That or it could be that an attempt at getting Brian out of the way (I really hate the term "sacrifice," because it seems that Entry #86 confirmed once and for all that Alex was not any sort of TO devotee) failed twice. TO may have taken Alex and maybe that somehow knocked Brian out or something? Then Brian recovered quickly, found the camera, tried to find Alex, found Tim, TO shows up, Alex (I guess) whacks Brian on the head (which would make Brian's crowbar to Alex's head in Entry #67 a bit of poetic justice) and drags him into the room.

But then, what became of Tim? Was he teleported, too? Can't help but wonder whether that happened--maybe Tim and Brian were abducted together, and that was the birth of Masky and Hoody?

It was definitely Alex who dragged Brian into that room, picked up the camera, and walked out. Look at the shoes. They're Alex's style.

Entry #51 also makes me wonder whether Trosephim weren't playing either with the notion that Alex could have been becoming an Operator (doubtful, if only because a second Operator would cheapen the series, and I think at least Troy has confirmed in the past that there's one and only one Operator) or (far more likely) was maybe actually being possessed by TO or some association with TO's close proximity was causing TO to show up on the camera then?

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Either it's a joint projection of their shared consciousnes, or someone who was trying to terrorize Tim or both created that scene. Alex is the one who wanted to shock both. In that entry TO just seems to be tagging along and maybe waiting for one of the two to die.


I think it's more the latter, if it has to be one of the two.

On an almost unrelated note (except that I'm talking about Entry #83), I'm surprised the final showdown between Tim and Alex didn't feature Alex coming down the stairs as Tim was propped up at the bottom. I was convinced they were going to pull the same stunt like they did in whateverTTA/Entry #76 I think, where both videos show the same footage of Hoody running away from the camera with the night vision.

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aidansean wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Paige! wrote:
- Entry #51: The Operator appears at the end of the hospital hallway behind Brian, as Alex is shooting footage for Marble Hornets. It's implied that Alex brought Brian here alone specifically for the Operator, although it ends up being a bit of a botched job.

EDIT: Also, there is a direct sighting in Entry #11. It's hard to see, but the Operator is outside one of Alex's windows at about the 1:06 mark (if I remember correctly). It still appears it's stalking Alex.


Entry #51 is overall one of my favorite entries and one of the best entries. It's creepy, it's scary, it's well written and well acted. But what I can't help but wonder is this. What the hell happened between when TO appeared the first time in the old hallway when Alex disappeared? And what was it that happened between TO showing up when Brian finds Tim and Alex dragging what he'd believed was Brian's lifeless body into that room?


It's possible that the operator can only take someone when they are alone (or at least when nobody's looking). When Alex is filming Brian all the operator can do is give them some slender sickness. Alex uses this as an opportunity to ditch Brian and leave him as prey for the operator, but he doesn't realise that Tim is still around, so both he and Brian are safe.

In fact this theory works elsewhere too- when Alex tries to ditch Jay he actually films him writhing on the ground instead of leaving him to be taken. In Entry #22 Alex confirms that he "left" Seth, and implies that this is why Seth is "gone". Similarly when the operator has Jay at his mercy in Entry #72 Tim runs back and the operator seems unable to take Jay. Finally in Entry #86 Alex isn't taken until Tim is facing away.


That's a good theory, but what about Entry #49? I know we don't know that Alex was or wasn't looking at Bruce's body being taken, but I can't help but wonder. It's not clear that the sound and the light distortion actually showed up off-camera. And Alex seemed to know very clearly and distinctly when to pick up the camera again. That suggests he may have been watching, at least out of the corner of his eye.

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