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Is this the begining of the end for Slender vlogs?
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Psychic Denim
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lonsumtravlr wrote:

That one guy in the most recent EMH "season" premiere was one of the fans brought in because he solved part of the game and found a box, right? That was cool, but when I saw him try to act at the start, I couldn't watch any farther.



I watched the big three as webseries instead of ARGs. I feel like I missed out on pretty much everything that way. I don't know who anyone is in EMH except Evan/Habit and Vinny. I guess it was probably one of the fans, since I *think* they've done stuff with them in the past. But yeah other than Evan/Habit, bad acting abounds.

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Psychic Denim wrote:
Personally I liked EMH, Dark Harvest, AND Tribe Twelve, but they update so infrequently I can't even keep track of the plots anymore (and I'm not re-watching a whole series for each entry either)

They all have something other than Slenderman as an antagonist (EMH's Habit and maybe the Rake, DH's cult of israphel , and TT's whatever they are) and I think Slenderman itself will never be as interesting as Marble Hornets makes it. Marble Hornets killed Slenderman because nobody else can do it as well as Trosephim did. Time to move on to other found-footage monsters, everyone. I do like the antagonists in the "big three" but the series themselves have really lost momentum. I don't even know what's going on in EMH anymore

I dunno... I actually think TSM from some of the original SomethingAwful stories is still the best Slender Man, not the Operator. TO is interesting but different- I've yet to see a series which actually does justice to the original SA version of the character.

That said, if someone wants to do something new with TSM, maybe it should abandon the existing found footage/vlog/blog format in favor of something else.

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Psychic Denim wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:

That one guy in the most recent EMH "season" premiere was one of the fans brought in because he solved part of the game and found a box, right? That was cool, but when I saw him try to act at the start, I couldn't watch any farther.



I watched the big three as webseries instead of ARGs. I feel like I missed out on pretty much everything that way. I don't know who anyone is in EMH except Evan/Habit and Vinny. I guess it was probably one of the fans, since I *think* they've done stuff with them in the past. But yeah other than Evan/Habit, bad acting abounds.


I think Jeff's great too, and Vinny holds his own.

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Y'know I'll be honest, I never post in the Marble Hornets subforum because of people like the ones in this thread who are just looking for an out so they can quit the mythos as a whole and be like "I was there when it was cool, now it's just for newcomers and idiots Cool " because it didn't interest them that much in the first place. Yes, the vlog format is far past played out, yes we're pretty much just waiting on the big three to end, no that does not mean Slenderman is finished. Maybe Trosephims Operator is, but not Slendy itself. EMH is still going and so is TT so until they finish I'm not going to make any judgments about the fandom as a whole as well as the rest of the creators who are very much working their asses off making new innovative vlogs for people who have been flowing Slendy since MH entry numero uno. Check out the side-series sub-forum sometimes guys, a couple people in this thread will tell you about what's up with those as well. If you wanna move on that's cool but if you don't let me assure you it's far from over. Even if it's just to entertain others in this tiny community that will most likely get smaller, it's not gonna stop.

EDIT: Also, if you're looking for a series that "breaks the mold" from the normal vlog, I HIGHLY recommend TheAntediluvianOne (Trailhead: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36456) with its editing of videos and making you question whether what you watched a month ago was the truth or not. The series is left mostly up to speculation even while you're watching it, so I say give it a go before you quit altogether because MH ended.

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If you think that's the beginning of the end, you need to get out more.

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What exactly are/were the Big Three series? Are/were they Marble Hornets, EverymanHybrid and TribeTwelve?

Marble Hornets, TribeTwelve, EverymanHYBRID, Dark Harvest, and Andersen Journals are the series I've always followed, since discovering MH all those years ago. There have been some others I've watched, like TJA Projects, HundredYardStare, and some other series I can't remember the name of right now. I've heard good things about Caught Not Sleeping, but haven't seen it.

Is this the beginning of the end for Slender vlogs? The format, the idea, might be played out at this point. A quick scan through the Slender Man Mythos section is proof of that. Maybe the MH movie will bring some new fans into the community, and some new ideas. I don't know, I don't really look for new series these days.
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rand__althor wrote:
What exactly are/were the Big Three series? Are/were they Marble Hornets, EverymanHybrid and TribeTwelve?


Yep! And with DH and MLAndersen they constitute the Big Five (as I've occasionally though less frequently seen them mentioned).

There are some people with good ideas. I like that "Riddle of the Tree Man" and "Handprints" guy, but I have trouble following the game, because I cant' ensconce myself into a worldview that deeply. MH was as close as I come. Other than that, I go back to thinking I'm a writer and a lit and pop culture scholar with something actually vital to say.

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Ah, the age-old comparison of the major Vlogs. I'll try not to be a broken record, but I make no promises.

Marble Hornets: I don't know what you guys think is so amazing about The Operator. It IS flashed all over the place, & what's worse is that it doesn't DO anything. It got to the point where I'd see The Operator & I'd be instantly bored. "But it's cool because he wasn't important." How does that even make sense? Why make it such a major thing if you're just going to abandon it? "It's symbolism!" To be blunt, that sounds like the pretentious student film fare that Marble Hornets is always mocking.

EverymanHYBRID: Honestly, it's getting harder to defend this series. That's NOT because of HABIT. Yeah, Evan hams it up a bit too much, but that's not really a major issue. The problem is, it's up every other series's ass with crossovers. Yes, this IS that big of a deal. BUT, there's a silver lining: Unlike Marble Hornets, EverymanHYBRID isn't over. It still has plenty of time to recover if it moves on from this crossover shit. Then most of the non-crossover fans can be happy because it's finally back on track, & most of the crossover fans can be happy because they got their big damn crossover. But I really don't know if they're going to do this. More & more, it looks like EverymanHYBRID might end up just merging with the other Slenderverse stories. This is 1 thing that I agree that Marble Hornets got right. It was focused on being its own thing instead of "part of the Slenderverse."

Tribe Twelve: I don't really have much to say. I don't follow it, because I have some issues with the acting, effects, plot, & dialogue (Sir "Fucksalot" Noah). But I can't really fault the creator for that, because he knows his audience. He knows what attracted people to Tribe Twelve, & that he can't get everyone. And I CAN see why people do like it. I've picked up some hints of what I think of some pretty interesting plotlines, & a lot of focus on Slenderman's history.

So I guess what I'm saying is that we've seen these series going on for years. YES, we don't want to see them again. BUT I do think that new & interesting things CAN take their places, if people are willing to take the risk & others to give them a chance.

Will it ever be the same as it was when it first began? I don't know, I wasn't there. But I can say that popularity naturally drops off with time, & it's not necessarily a death knell. I can also say that, even after all of these years, there's still been a ton of interest in Marble Hornets, & I don't think that all of those people are just going to leave.

Are a lot of people just done with Slenderman because they've had too much of it? Again, sure, but that's the way it goes; some people lose interest, new people gain interest.

I can't really tell you what's going to happen in 5 years, or even if I'll still be watching, but I am highly skeptical of this almost apocalyptic attitude.

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As long as TT (Tribe Twelve) keeps up the bad acting, the cliches, and having Noah swear every 5 minutes I think I'll keep watching for the lolz.

EMH would have been good if it didn't collab with TT and become part of it's universe. Evan is a good actor on his own.

MH was the more believable out of the three and made me feel like I was right there with the characters.

The way I see it, Noah is really quite exceptional at editing and effects, and EMH come up with lots and lots of ideas, but the THAC crew have a much more well-rounded skillset when it comes to the overall art of filmmaking, and that's only increased over time both through their college studies and through the process of making MH.

If you had a series where Noah was collaborating with Troy on the editing and special effects, and where the EMH guys would brainstorm story ideas in conjunction with the THAC crew, and THAC was in charge of the overall direction and creative vision of the project and handled most of the other behind-the-camera tasks, you'd probably end up with a really great series.

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Never watched DarkHarvest because I learned it was part of EMH's and TT's universe and didn't think it was worth it.

That's not quite the case. 1 character from TT has a single fairly important appearance in DH. The guys from EMH appear briefly but it's just a cameo, nothing significant happens. Most importantly, though, the DH guys don't seem to have done anything to meddle with their story they are telling or their interpretation of Slender Man to force it into compliance with what's going on in TT and EMH; they're very much doing their own thing and you don't really need to watch either of the other series to follow it.

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If you had a series where Noah was collaborating with Troy on the editing and special effects, and where the EMH guys would brainstorm story ideas in conjunction with the THAC crew, and THAC was in charge of the overall direction and creative vision of the project and handled most of the other behind-the-camera tasks, you'd probably end up with a really great series.


That...actually sounds like the greatest thing ever. How much money do I have to throw at them to make this a reality?

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Lithp wrote:
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If you had a series where Noah was collaborating with Troy on the editing and special effects, and where the EMH guys would brainstorm story ideas in conjunction with the THAC crew, and THAC was in charge of the overall direction and creative vision of the project and handled most of the other behind-the-camera tasks, you'd probably end up with a really great series.


That...actually sounds like the greatest thing ever. How much money do I have to throw at them to make this a reality?

20 dollars Laughing . Jokes aside, I actually really wanna see this. It seems like a really good idea.
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I dunno... I actually think TSM from some of the original SomethingAwful stories is still the best Slender Man, not the Operator. TO is interesting but different- I've yet to see a series which actually does justice to the original SA version of the character.


This! I'm still waiting for a vlog that can portray Slenderman walking around on the tentacles that sprout from his back, stalking small children, eviscerating campers and impaling them on tree branches, and burning down all manner of buildings. No proxies or human antagonists.

I loved MH, but by the end I was just wishing that TO would, you know...do something. I liked in the first season when TO would at least walk around instead of just standing very still and causing camera distortion.

[That being said, I liked the fact in StanFrederickBTS that Slendy picked people up with his tentacles and strangled them. If you haven't watched that one, you should.]

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Striker wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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If you had a series where Noah was collaborating with Troy on the editing and special effects, and where the EMH guys would brainstorm story ideas in conjunction with the THAC crew, and THAC was in charge of the overall direction and creative vision of the project and handled most of the other behind-the-camera tasks, you'd probably end up with a really great series.


That...actually sounds like the greatest thing ever. How much money do I have to throw at them to make this a reality?

20 dollars Laughing . Jokes aside, I actually really wanna see this. It seems like a really good idea.


Well, while I think Troy does an excellent job with editing and effects, I agree that editing and special effects are what Adam Rosner does best. (He has some good story ideas, but I think he'd need someone like THAC and the EMH crew to help him develop them.) Yeah, if there were a Kickstarter for something like this and I were able to kick in to help get it off the ground, I would.

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I'm still waiting for a vlog that can portray Slenderman walking around on the tentacles that sprout from his back, stalking small children, eviscerating campers and impaling them on tree branches, and burning down all manner of buildings. No proxies or human antagonists.


As a bunch of people before me have said, TO is not the slenderman. But because MH was so successful and popular, the vlogs that came after it naturally had some element of MH in them; meaning that most of the "slenderman" vlogs actually use a mix of the slenderman and TO as their antagonist. Which is fine, people should look to MH and the other successful vlogs for inspiration, but I think there are a lot of series that aren't living up to their potential because they aren't using more of the original mythos.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Striker wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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If you had a series where Noah was collaborating with Troy on the editing and special effects, and where the EMH guys would brainstorm story ideas in conjunction with the THAC crew, and THAC was in charge of the overall direction and creative vision of the project and handled most of the other behind-the-camera tasks, you'd probably end up with a really great series.


That...actually sounds like the greatest thing ever. How much money do I have to throw at them to make this a reality?

20 dollars Laughing . Jokes aside, I actually really wanna see this. It seems like a really good idea.


Well, while I think Troy does an excellent job with editing and effects, I agree that editing and special effects are what Adam Rosner does best. (He has some good story ideas, but I think he'd need someone like THAC and the EMH crew to help him develop them.) Yeah, if there were a Kickstarter for something like this and I were able to kick in to help get it off the ground, I would.


It was honestly mostly the EMH/THAC aspect that intrigued me. I know very little about Adam & what I do know is a mixed bag. I remember not liking the tentacles & a scene where Slenderman becomes a giant that I thought was rather ridiculous, but also an incredibly badass scene of Slenderman rising from the floor.

In general, I like the plot/writing of EMH significantly more, but MH has some pretty solid themes to it. So you could have THAC writing the overall arcs while EMH fills in the details, or just make it an even split, really there are a lot of different ways to approach that.

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