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LiamTapsOut
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knightmare wrote:
Somehow Alex went from the Operator-haunted life he was leading while shooting Marble Hornets to the seemingly Operator-free life he had with Amy, up until the point when she brought out the camera.

Tim seemingly lived an Operator-free life between the ending of the MH filming to the time when Jay brought him back into the mix.

Jay seemingly lived an Operator-free life between the MH filming and getting involved with looking at the tapes.


I'm not sure if it is the camera, the locations (Rosswood, hospital, old college, etc) or both, that cause The Operator to stalk people, but we do have 3 instances within the story where people seemingly lived Operator-free existences.


Tim did live Oppy free for a while, but then when he was a child, he was dealing with Oppy then. Your right and it could be due to both the cameras and the locations (It would explain why the operator was in Alex's house (Camera) and the hospital (Location), but I can't help but feel theres more to this than that. How would a location become an Oppy-ground to begin with?

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wassupbro wrote:
There is evidence pointing to both directions. On the one hand, Alex's last words were that Tim has to kill himself, which is pretty significant in a film. The heavy distortion in Entry 87 could also indicate the start of Tim killing Jessica. "Everything is fine" is alluding to "Decline" and you can hear sirens while Tim drives away.

On the other hand, Tim clearly stated that he thinks Alex is just feeding it.
And you cannot deny the fact that Alex went crazy. Bruce is the only evidence needed for that. Bruce was not "infected." Alex had no idea who he was. He just went batshit crazy and murdered the mofo. If Tim knew this, you'd think he wouldn't trust Alex ever again.



I would also like to point out that along with killing himself/Jessica, I believe a somewhat "third" option exists. I think Tim began to become the next "Alex" at the end of Entry 86. The reason behind it is because after Tim stabs Alex in the neck and lays off for a bit, The Operator shows up. After what looks like some struggling, Tim suddenly violenty jumps onto Alex and brutally finishes him off. And THAT is why Alex then says "you see how it spreads?" He was implying that the Operator made tim get infuriated with rage, much like we see Alex on Bruce, and even JAY on TIM (unsuccessfully). When Jay forgives Tim on the phone but it doesn't go through, we see that The Operator most likely made Jay angry at Tim again. So, when Tim hears Alex and sees how it "spreads," he realizes that he will soon go crazy just like Alex did. Thats why you can't tell if Tim was laughing or crying at the end of Entry 86. Its part of the ambiguity. Was he crying because he killed someone? Or was he laughing because he was going crazy? Or was he crying because he realized he had to kill himself/he was going crazy?


I like this. I was thinking the same thing too about the "spreading."

I love how the ending can go both ways. Reason for Tim's suicide are:

1. Tim's documents indicate a score of 14 on the suicide/self-harm assessment, which means high-risk.
2. Alex has destroyed his home and everything he owns. He has no where left to go.

Reason for life, not free:

1. He threw away his mask, indicating that he wants to start a new life.
2. His car is packed with clothes and the like.
3. He has pills in hand, indicating his future battling with the Operator.

Tim started everything. The reason he became Masky was because he wasn't using his medication (Entry 61). As Alex suffered, he killed nearly everybody. Tim realized it was his fault (Entry 66) and was determined to protect as many people as possible (Jay, Jessica).

Despite the sirens in the background, I think Jessica lives, as there is no indication that Tim had any weapons on him or was even healthy enough to hit her. The way I see it, there are 3 kinds of endings:

bittersweet - Tim and Jessica live. Jessica may or may not have been injured by Tim. Regardless, she gets to have a good, normal, life, at the cost of Tim's, as he is contained with the Operator yet again, has no home to go to, and must start anew - no mask included - living with the guilt of having his friends killed.

bad - Either Tim or Jessica dies. Tim fails to protect Jessica and the Operator has him kill her, making all the work of trying to protect her go to waste. Now Tim must live with the infection, no home, and must start anew knowing that he killed the one person he was supposed to protect.
Or Jessica is alive and Tim kills himself because of the 2 reasons listed above. Our lovable hero indirectly killed all his friends and died because of it.

tragedy - Tim and Jessica die. Tim attacks Jessica in the end and she dies. Tim can't handle the guilt so he goes to commit suicide. Operator wins, leaves to find a new host, and this whole thing happens all over again.

I love how we can't have a good ending here Sad too many people have died.

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knightmare
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LiamTapsOut wrote:
knightmare wrote:
Somehow Alex went from the Operator-haunted life he was leading while shooting Marble Hornets to the seemingly Operator-free life he had with Amy, up until the point when she brought out the camera.

Tim seemingly lived an Operator-free life between the ending of the MH filming to the time when Jay brought him back into the mix.

Jay seemingly lived an Operator-free life between the MH filming and getting involved with looking at the tapes.


I'm not sure if it is the camera, the locations (Rosswood, hospital, old college, etc) or both, that cause The Operator to stalk people, but we do have 3 instances within the story where people seemingly lived Operator-free existences.


Tim did live Oppy free for a while, but then when he was a child, he was dealing with Oppy then. Your right and it could be due to both the cameras and the locations (It would explain why the operator was in Alex's house (Camera) and the hospital (Location), but I can't help but feel theres more to this than that. How would a location become an Oppy-ground to begin with?


I think it feeds on emotional/mental distress, perhaps specifically fear. If that's true, then a mental hospital would make perfect sense. If Tim had mental issues as a child, that could be why he was targeted by TO.

When Amy brought out the camera, maybe it wasn't just the camera that summoned TO. Maybe Alex reacted to the camera in fear, and that emotional distress brought TO back into his life.

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 		I am positive that he lived. I feel that Tim strongly believed that he could live a normal life if he just used his methods of shutting out the Operator. To say he followed Alex's advice would go against what he believes.

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 		If he died then who the hell uploaded the video? It wouldn't make sense at all.

The ending optimistic? No way. Tim has to live with everything he experienced for the rest of his life with having little to no one believing him except for those who watched the series.

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 		You guys realize that he could have uploaded the video and then committed suicide after, right?

I mean, if you think he lived that's one thing, but "Who uploaded the video" is hardly the strongest argument in favor of that.

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Cyan507
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TheJoker wrote:
You guys realize that he could have uploaded the video and then committed suicide after, right?

I mean, if you think he lived that's one thing, but "Who uploaded the video" is hardly the strongest argument in favor of that.


I think the most simplest conclusion is the correct one, in this instance it would be this one.

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LiamTapsOut wrote:
How would a location become an Oppy-ground to begin with?


That's the thing that some of us--even those of us who defend the series against almost all attacks--are scratching our heads over. It seems that Rosswood Town is a town that Oppy's called home for some time. I don't think a "WHY?" is really possible just because Oppy is such a strange being. But I do think that just a tad more backcontext--I don't want to call it backstory--than the antique store.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
LiamTapsOut wrote:
How would a location become an Oppy-ground to begin with?


That's the thing that some of us--even those of us who defend the series against almost all attacks--are scratching our heads over. It seems that Rosswood Town is a town that Oppy's called home for some time. I don't think a "WHY?" is really possible just because Oppy is such a strange being. But I do think that just a tad more backcontext--I don't want to call it backstory--than the antique store.

Tim lived in the Rosswood area when he was experiencing the Operator as a child. It's been speculated that the Operator is summoned by one's mental state, so a location Tim associates with the Operator would be a stronger catalyst to summon it.

As for Tim's fate, here's something I want to point out. After Entry 86 was uploaded, but before 87 was, a lot of people noted that the Twitter update wasn't like Tim, and seemed more like Masky. At the end of Entry 87, we get text which is like what you'd expect of totheark (which Masky is a part of). During the main part of Entry 87, Tim is like himself. My interpretation (and I realize Trosephim wanted multiple interpretations) is that Tim turned into Masky after he killed Alex, uploaded 86, and then uploaded 87 from an older tape a little while later since it was safe to do so. Killing anybody aside from Alex is out of Masky's character. Tackling and creeping on them, yes. Killing, no.

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Dacad wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
LiamTapsOut wrote:
How would a location become an Oppy-ground to begin with?


That's the thing that some of us--even those of us who defend the series against almost all attacks--are scratching our heads over. It seems that Rosswood Town is a town that Oppy's called home for some time. I don't think a "WHY?" is really possible just because Oppy is such a strange being. But I do think that just a tad more backcontext--I don't want to call it backstory--than the antique store.

Tim lived in the Rosswood area when he was experiencing the Operator as a child. It's been speculated that the Operator is summoned by one's mental state, so a location Tim associates with the Operator would be a stronger catalyst to summon it.


But chicken or egg? Did TO attach itself to Rosswood because of Tim, or was TO in Rosswood and somehow found Tim?

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 		The questions of why The Operator attached itself to Rosswood remind me of Oakside Park in "Slender: The Arrival." I didn't mind not having that question answered there, & I assume it's because I know the story of Slenderman. I know it's a legendary figure that seems to come from everywhere & nowhere. So maybe "The Arrival's" Slenderman was born in Oakside, or maybe it just started squatting there in the 70's, but either way, I know enough of the history that it makes sense.

The Operator seemed particularly at home in Rosswood, but also seemed to follow Alex around a lot, & maybe followed Tim without his knowing, & at one point appears at the hotel even though Alex doesn't find them for 7 months, & spends its nights tormenting Jessica...the plot's just all over the place with The Operator.

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 		I feel like Alex's story might have something to do with The Operator's backstory. People might not like that kind of simple explanation for his origins, but if you look at two of the most popular horror movie villains: Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees, they both have simple origin stories.

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PieAvenger wrote:
wassupbro wrote:
There is evidence pointing to both directions. On the one hand, Alex's last words were that Tim has to kill himself, which is pretty significant in a film. The heavy distortion in Entry 87 could also indicate the start of Tim killing Jessica. "Everything is fine" is alluding to "Decline" and you can hear sirens while Tim drives away.

On the other hand, Tim clearly stated that he thinks Alex is just feeding it.
And you cannot deny the fact that Alex went crazy. Bruce is the only evidence needed for that. Bruce was not "infected." Alex had no idea who he was. He just went batshit crazy and murdered the mofo. If Tim knew this, you'd think he wouldn't trust Alex ever again.



I would also like to point out that along with killing himself/Jessica, I believe a somewhat "third" option exists. I think Tim began to become the next "Alex" at the end of Entry 86. The reason behind it is because after Tim stabs Alex in the neck and lays off for a bit, The Operator shows up. After what looks like some struggling, Tim suddenly violenty jumps onto Alex and brutally finishes him off. And THAT is why Alex then says "you see how it spreads?" He was implying that the Operator made tim get infuriated with rage, much like we see Alex on Bruce, and even JAY on TIM (unsuccessfully). When Jay forgives Tim on the phone but it doesn't go through, we see that The Operator most likely made Jay angry at Tim again. So, when Tim hears Alex and sees how it "spreads," he realizes that he will soon go crazy just like Alex did. Thats why you can't tell if Tim was laughing or crying at the end of Entry 86. Its part of the ambiguity. Was he crying because he killed someone? Or was he laughing because he was going crazy? Or was he crying because he realized he had to kill himself/he was going crazy?


I like this. I was thinking the same thing too about the "spreading."

I love how the ending can go both ways. Reason for Tim's suicide are:

1. Tim's documents indicate a score of 14 on the suicide/self-harm assessment, which means high-risk.
2. Alex has destroyed his home and everything he owns. He has no where left to go.

Reason for life, not free:

1. He threw away his mask, indicating that he wants to start a new life.
2. His car is packed with clothes and the like.
3. He has pills in hand, indicating his future battling with the Operator.

Tim started everything. The reason he became Masky was because he wasn't using his medication (Entry 61). As Alex suffered, he killed nearly everybody. Tim realized it was his fault (Entry 66) and was determined to protect as many people as possible (Jay, Jessica).

Despite the sirens in the background, I think Jessica lives, as there is no indication that Tim had any weapons on him or was even healthy enough to hit her. The way I see it, there are 3 kinds of endings:

bittersweet - Tim and Jessica live. Jessica may or may not have been injured by Tim. Regardless, she gets to have a good, normal, life, at the cost of Tim's, as he is contained with the Operator yet again, has no home to go to, and must start anew - no mask included - living with the guilt of having his friends killed.

bad - Either Tim or Jessica dies. Tim fails to protect Jessica and the Operator has him kill her, making all the work of trying to protect her go to waste. Now Tim must live with the infection, no home, and must start anew knowing that he killed the one person he was supposed to protect.
Or Jessica is alive and Tim kills himself because of the 2 reasons listed above. Our lovable hero indirectly killed all his friends and died because of it.

tragedy - Tim and Jessica die. Tim attacks Jessica in the end and she dies. Tim can't handle the guilt so he goes to commit suicide. Operator wins, leaves to find a new host, and this whole thing happens all over again.

I love how we can't have a good ending here Sad too many people have died.


Well I think he had bags of his shit since he had nowhere else to go....

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wassupbro wrote:
PieAvenger wrote:
wassupbro wrote:
There is evidence pointing to both directions. On the one hand, Alex's last words were that Tim has to kill himself, which is pretty significant in a film. The heavy distortion in Entry 87 could also indicate the start of Tim killing Jessica. "Everything is fine" is alluding to "Decline" and you can hear sirens while Tim drives away.

On the other hand, Tim clearly stated that he thinks Alex is just feeding it.
And you cannot deny the fact that Alex went crazy. Bruce is the only evidence needed for that. Bruce was not "infected." Alex had no idea who he was. He just went batshit crazy and murdered the mofo. If Tim knew this, you'd think he wouldn't trust Alex ever again.



I would also like to point out that along with killing himself/Jessica, I believe a somewhat "third" option exists. I think Tim began to become the next "Alex" at the end of Entry 86. The reason behind it is because after Tim stabs Alex in the neck and lays off for a bit, The Operator shows up. After what looks like some struggling, Tim suddenly violenty jumps onto Alex and brutally finishes him off. And THAT is why Alex then says "you see how it spreads?" He was implying that the Operator made tim get infuriated with rage, much like we see Alex on Bruce, and even JAY on TIM (unsuccessfully). When Jay forgives Tim on the phone but it doesn't go through, we see that The Operator most likely made Jay angry at Tim again. So, when Tim hears Alex and sees how it "spreads," he realizes that he will soon go crazy just like Alex did. Thats why you can't tell if Tim was laughing or crying at the end of Entry 86. Its part of the ambiguity. Was he crying because he killed someone? Or was he laughing because he was going crazy? Or was he crying because he realized he had to kill himself/he was going crazy?


I like this. I was thinking the same thing too about the "spreading."

I love how the ending can go both ways. Reason for Tim's suicide are:

1. Tim's documents indicate a score of 14 on the suicide/self-harm assessment, which means high-risk.
2. Alex has destroyed his home and everything he owns. He has no where left to go.

Reason for life, not free:

1. He threw away his mask, indicating that he wants to start a new life.
2. His car is packed with clothes and the like.
3. He has pills in hand, indicating his future battling with the Operator.

Tim started everything. The reason he became Masky was because he wasn't using his medication (Entry 61). As Alex suffered, he killed nearly everybody. Tim realized it was his fault (Entry 66) and was determined to protect as many people as possible (Jay, Jessica).

Despite the sirens in the background, I think Jessica lives, as there is no indication that Tim had any weapons on him or was even healthy enough to hit her. The way I see it, there are 3 kinds of endings:

bittersweet - Tim and Jessica live. Jessica may or may not have been injured by Tim. Regardless, she gets to have a good, normal, life, at the cost of Tim's, as he is contained with the Operator yet again, has no home to go to, and must start anew - no mask included - living with the guilt of having his friends killed.

bad - Either Tim or Jessica dies. Tim fails to protect Jessica and the Operator has him kill her, making all the work of trying to protect her go to waste. Now Tim must live with the infection, no home, and must start anew knowing that he killed the one person he was supposed to protect.
Or Jessica is alive and Tim kills himself because of the 2 reasons listed above. Our lovable hero indirectly killed all his friends and died because of it.

tragedy - Tim and Jessica die. Tim attacks Jessica in the end and she dies. Tim can't handle the guilt so he goes to commit suicide. Operator wins, leaves to find a new host, and this whole thing happens all over again.

I love how we can't have a good ending here Sad too many people have died.


Well I think he had bags of his shit since he had nowhere else to go....


I would of thought his stuff would burn down with his house, from the look of things he didn't have a lot of time to quickly pack his clothes, books, games, DVDs and whatever.

I know he could have brought more, but still.
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 		I think Tim slapped TO around until he explained what the ark is and then altered the video to make it less exciting.

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