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Dumbest theories thread
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hachiman
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TheManPF wrote:
"The Operator can talk"

I remember reading something about TO using a recording of Alex's voice/imitating his voice on the phone in #64 and that it wasn't really Alex talking


Didn't TO imitate Jay in #23?

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Not sure if this was mentioned already, but "The Ark= Alex R. Kralie". Jay even stated in-game that Alex's middle name didn't begin with R.
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Xman
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"Entry ###### shows us that there are 2 additional masked people alongside Masky himself."

"This is probably the last entry."
*Another entry releases.*
"Looks like this could very well be the last entry."
*Another entry releases.*
"I'm pretty sure this is the last entry, guys."
*Another entry releases.*
(This is in reference to several months ago, when the series clearly wasn't over.)

"It didn't become nighttime suddenly in Entry #23, it just looks that way because ____."

"Hoody is Alex because in Entry #41 when you first see him, there is static. And everytime you see Alex there is static, so therefore Hoody is Alex." (Someone literally tried to argue this on YouTube once.)

"It could very well be possible that Hoody and Masky have nothing to do with TTA."


Lithp wrote:
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Just because Brian is wearing the same brown hoodie doesn't mean he's Hoody.


To be fair, Tim's logic that there could only be 1 brown hoodie in the world was dumb as shit. Obviously, it was supposed to be the confirmation, but in reality, if someone tried to "prove" the identity of a criminal because some guy wore the same generic hoody in an unrelated video clip years ago, you'd probably hit them.

This.

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Lithp
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The reason I was opposed to Hoody being Future Jay is because there was a ton of evidence pointing to Brian & no real evidence for Future Jay. The only thing was the few times that time sped up, but that was never important to the plot, & it was never shown going backwards, or anything.

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Avrielle_Aniko
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Lithp wrote:
The reason I was opposed to Hoody being Future Jay is because there was a ton of evidence pointing to Brian & no real evidence for Future Jay. The only thing was the few times that time sped up, but that was never important to the plot, & it was never shown going backwards, or anything.


A very good point. But with all the teasing about the Ark and not knowing what it is/does, it could have made a creative plot twist. (Ignoring that Troy and Joseph were arguing over plot twists.)

The problem with Marble Hornets is that we can never really be sure what to take away from it or what is important/relevant and what is not. I'll admit that I am rather disappointed with their failure to carry out so many branches of the plot to the end. It's almost as if they had no real goal as such and just experimented with different things to make it look cool, rather than making it fit neatly with what was going on. Cool stuff is cool, but when you leave your audience asking "WTF is going on?" by the end of it, then something obviously went wrong.

I'm slowly going through the whole lot again and making a ton of notes (got about 3 different word documents now) and seeing if there is anything I can pick apart from it all. Trosephim are obviously great at codes (TTA vids) and I want to make sure that we haven't all missed something, now that it is over and we can look back on it all as a whole, rather than focusing on certain entries that we remember or particularly stand out, etc. Reading between the lines (or Entries, as it were...)

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SilentMedusa
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Not really a theory, but it still irritates the fuck out of me: new Mystery Person is introduced. Clues all point to X character as Mystery Person. Fandom says: "All the clues point to X character being Mystery Person, therefore... it can't possibly be X character."

Some of the dumbest Hoody theories seemed to come from someone's desperate desire for it to be literally anyone but Brian. Including people who weren't even involved until well after Hoody was introduced (and that's not taking into account that Hoody was totheark).

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Avrielle_Aniko
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SilentMedusa wrote:
Not really a theory, but it still irritates the fuck out of me: new Mystery Person is introduced. Clues all point to X character as Mystery Person. Fandom says: "All the clues point to X character being Mystery Person, therefore... it can't possibly be X character."

Some of the dumbest Hoody theories seemed to come from someone's desperate desire for it to be literally anyone but Brian. Including people who weren't even involved until well after Hoody was introduced (and that's not taking into account that Hoody was totheark).


Well... when they had Brian sitting on the panel during Q&A's... they weren't really trying to keep it very secret. Hence why I suspected a Red Herring.

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Lithp
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I'm kind of with Silent Medusa, here. Argument from Plot Twist happened a lot, & it was always some pretty lame reasoning.

"Occam's razor doesn't count because a plot twist could happen!"

"But theories based on Occam's razor are only wrong on occasion, while your method of PREDICT ALL THE SHIT! nets anywhere from 0 to 1 successful predictions & racks up a lot of failures."

"But a plot twist could happen!"

There's a difference between predicting that a plot twist MIGHT occur & pointing out evidence that suggests a plot twist. For example, in "The Sixth Sense," we have the kid who sees dead people being the ONLY person to interact with this guy throughout the entire movie, who we saw in the beginning got shot, but we never saw the aftermath.

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ledzepfilm
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Lithp wrote:
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Just because Brian is wearing the same brown hoodie doesn't mean he's Hoody.


To be fair, Tim's logic that there could only be 1 brown hoodie in the world was dumb as shit. Obviously, it was supposed to be the confirmation, but in reality, if someone tried to "prove" the identity of a criminal because some guy wore the same generic hoody in an unrelated video clip years ago, you'd probably hit them.


Well yes, if this was a real life situation, there would be a lot more questioning as to whether Brian is Hoody only based off evidence that it's the same hoodie. But in this series, most of the "inferences" made by Jay or Tim are Trosephim throwing facts at us. It's moreso a stupid theory in this particular series, where Brian was highly speculated to be Hoody based off of his actions and Entry #84/#86 finally put a lid on the mystery.
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SilentMedusa
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Lithp wrote:
I'm kind of with Silent Medusa, here. Argument from Plot Twist happened a lot, & it was always some pretty lame reasoning.

"Occam's razor doesn't count because a plot twist could happen!"

"But theories based on Occam's razor are only wrong on occasion, while your method of PREDICT ALL THE SHIT! nets anywhere from 0 to 1 successful predictions & racks up a lot of failures."

"But a plot twist could happen!"

There's a difference between predicting that a plot twist MIGHT occur & pointing out evidence that suggests a plot twist. For example, in "The Sixth Sense," we have the kid who sees dead people being the ONLY person to interact with this guy throughout the entire movie, who we saw in the beginning got shot, but we never saw the aftermath.


The worst part for me is that this isn't confined to Marble Hornets; I've read the same argument with different names in MH, Tribe Twelve, and Everyman HYBRID.

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Blackout_2014
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SilentMedusa wrote:
Not really a theory, but it still irritates the fuck out of me: new Mystery Person is introduced. Clues all point to X character as Mystery Person. Fandom says: "All the clues point to X character being Mystery Person, therefore... it can't possibly be X character."

Some of the dumbest Hoody theories seemed to come from someone's desperate desire for it to be literally anyone but Brian. Including people who weren't even involved until well after Hoody was introduced (and that's not taking into account that Hoody was totheark).


I always thought Hoody=Brian. But I wanted Totheark to equal someone else.

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elford
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^^me too

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Lithp
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Well yes, if this was a real life situation, there would be a lot more questioning as to whether Brian is Hoody only based off evidence that it's the same hoodie. But in this series, most of the "inferences" made by Jay or Tim are Trosephim throwing facts at us. It's moreso a stupid theory in this particular series, where Brian was highly speculated to be Hoody based off of his actions and Entry #84/#86 finally put a lid on the mystery.


A lot of the inferences that they made also turned out to be red herrings. But like I said, I'm not saying that it was credible at that point that Brian wasn't Hoody. I'm more criticizing the writing of that line.


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The worst part for me is that this isn't confined to Marble Hornets; I've read the same argument with different names in MH, Tribe Twelve, and Everyman HYBRID.


The worst part for me is when the author also subscribes to that reasoning.

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Malckeor
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TheJoker wrote:
Windmill Diaries was before my time, I'd not heard of it until this thread, but I just looked it up and... really? People thought this was real? Someone actually tried to sell that shit?

The UF thread was hilarious, though.


Oh Christ, that first video on the channel had me cringing harder and harder with each written line. How did people fall for this?

On the topic of the thread: I don't really like to call theories 'dumb' as I feel it's inconsiderate, but people in light of Entry 87 had the theory that Alex WASN'T under Operator influence and was killing everyone on his own accord because he thought he was right or some shit. These people were pretty much saying that Alex was on-the-ball about the "disease" nonsense regarding the Operator, when it's made clear in the narrative by Tim that it's nothing more than an insane man's farce ("You weren't containing it, you were just feeding it. When you killed Amy, do you feel like you were in control then?")

What made this theory ridiculous was that it reduced the Operator to a self-harming dumbass. Here's Alex, killing the Operator's "infected" that it 'allegedly' NEEDS to spread to more people, and the Operator is chilling there in the background helping him do it; not trying to stop him, but keeping him protected and working WITH him to bring ITSELF down.

Yeah...it was kinda silly; even sillier than the mega-controversial "Sarah is TTA" theory. 86 made it clear that Alex was either a proxy or driven insane by the Operator and used as a tool to help "feed" TO. There weren't any "Alex was the anti-hero" plotlines here, folks. He was bat-shit insane and deserved the slow death he got.

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Lithp
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What are you talking about? Leaving aside the whole "lol crazy man doing crazy things" non-explanation, that's not "clear" at all. Tim only says that Alex is being used, he doesn't contradict the underlying disease logic, & in fact confirms it with lines like, "You could be spreading it, too!"

That's not a "silly theory accepted by a minority," it's "clear exposition that most people can recognize."

The only thing in that post that sounds like it maybe could be inaccurate is "not under The Operator's influence," & I would need more information about the context of that statement.

Also, yes, it does contradict The Operator's actions. That's far from the only hole in the story.

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