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[Lithp]

What are you even talking about? If Jay's "fugue state" was so essential to the story, they would have kept going with it. It was a dropped plot point.

[Geneaux486]

How was it dropped? There were periods where it wasn't happening, that's true, but the same is also true for Tim. And we knew for sure as of season 3 that it was one symptom of a larger disease, which Jay gradually succumbed to, so again, I don't see how it can be argued that the plot point was dropped when it technically did happen at least once in all three seasons and Jay clearly suffered from a less-developed case of whatever was wrong with Tim and Brian.

Yes, Jay actually putting on a mask was dropped, but aside from a single shot in the series, it had no presence in the story anyway. The larger problem, however, continued to affect Jay until his death in season three.

[TheJoker]

Not going to get too deep into this one, but worth noting that Troy's comments on Skully indicated that they didn't think of Skully being Jay until they were writing Season 3- prior to that it was just a random meaningless shot that was there in case they needed something to make a plot point from. So technically all those things that could have been foreshadowing Skully from S1 weren't meant to be at the time- in all likelihood they were more just related to TO's memory-wiping and teleporting abilities than to anything else.

[Lithp]

Jay stopped disappearing. You can't just say, "It's related to this other thing, so it's technically still going on," that doesn't work. That's like saying, "Oh, my nose is still running, so I must still have a fever, because they're both flu symptoms." No, if your fever has stopped, IT HAS STOPPED, regardless of your other symptoms.

The main difference here is that, if your fever stops, it's generally because you're getting better, but Jay's symptoms are just plain inconsistent. There's no reason that these things are never revisited, they just aren't.

Which makes them dropped plot points, regardless of what they were supposed to be & at what stage of development.

This really shouldn't be news. Throughout the series, people were noticing that The Operator suspiciously never came after Jay, except possibly in a Totheark video that was never revisited.

[Geneaux486]

[Viden]

In the Q&A Tim addressed the mask state in general somewhat.

"What exactly does a mask do? How did it protect/alter Tim and Brian?"
- "They don't always like being seen."

"So they still remember everything going on when wearing them? I always kind of got the feeling they were in like a trance or something."
- "The masks are a response to their mental state, not a cause."

So even though Jay's "masky state" was never implemented that doesn't mean he still wasn't effected in other ways.

"No two people are alike, therefore no two reactions are exactly alike."

[Lithp]

No, I was not "specifically talking about Jay's fugue states," I did not introduce the term "fugue states," & I also never said that Jay's "Operatorsickness" was dropped.

If anyone has a specific example of how one of the specific things that I said came back, sure, let's hear it. If it's some handwave about how "it's related to something else" or "the symptoms are random," then the post has nothing to do with me.

[Geneaux486]

But that's just it, the things you're describing are well-established as being part of a larger issue that Jay was suffering from. Tim went through the same things, and had periods where he wasn't suffering from them, just like Jay. Again, aside from the specific act of wearing a mask, nothing about Jay's condition was "dropped" from season one. Like it or not, it's all connected. Your initial assertion that "most" of what was introduced in season one was dropped is still incorrect.

[Lithp]

A & B are related to C=/=A & B are the same thing.
.*. if A stops occurring but B continues, A still stops occurring.

Frankly, this should be perfectly obvious & it irritates me greatly that you appear to expect me to explain how it works in detail, only to keep insisting that C somehow negates A's disappearance.

[Geneaux486]

But A didn't actually stop occurring. And even if it did, your breakdown still wouldn't qualify it as a dropped plot-point. A and B are established to be part of C. A happens infrequently, but still happens, while C, on the whole, completes its arc by the end of the series. Like I said, your claim that most of what was introduced in season one was dropped is false. Not trying to irritate you, and I'm more than willing to just agree to disagree and leave it at that.