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Trosephim Reddit AMA
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SilentMedusa wrote:
I'm going to come at this from a different angle.

You know how some folks are saying that for their next series they hope Trosephim listens to their fans more? I think part of the problem here is that they did.

See, as I understand, at some point they were going to drop the entire TTA subplot completely. The reason they didn't was because there was such an outcry from the fandom. So, maybe they didn't do such a good job resolving that because they didn't really want to deal with it at all? Or I'm full of shit; that's always possible Very Happy.

You make a good point. Some authors listen too carefully to their fans, and then adjust the story direction to match their expectations, which can have consequences. With that said, however, I believe it would be a shame for them to dismiss feedback. Trosephim are in a great position to hear what doesn't work, between entries, and polish up their series as they go along.

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Lithp wrote:
The better question is why he thinks she's dead in the 1st place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZD7S5Xp5bs#t=508

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I think it's ridiculous that Totheark found Jay by randomly Googling...
How did you find it?

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Well, if they'd told me to begin with that they basically didn't have a plot, then no, I wouldn't have continued watching & we wouldn't be having this argument, regardless of whether or not this writing style is valid.

The plot was unknown scary monster mind rapes college kids and ruins their lives.[/url]

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Lithp wrote:
And you know, as much as I've been accused of closed mindedness, I'm pretty sure I've conceded more points.


That's because you're the only one here that's been proven wrong about the actual story. This whole thing has just been us pointing out things that you said that were wrong. You're the only one here who's been continually making up things about MH like they're facts and missing out on important plot points. Everything else has just been opinions and you are steadfastly holding to yours being objective truth of what makes a show enjoyable.

No, it's not ridiculous that TTA found out about Jay's youtube channel as I said it'd only take them randomly seeing any slender man content on the internet, or just googling alex's name etc. It's a little thing that happened outside of the story and it hardly matters. You should be losing more hair over how the camera always falls to include the characters in the shot. But obviously neither of those need to be explained and it'd be stupid to.

Not having everything about the story explained isn't lazy writing, it makes it spookier and I honestly am just confused as to how you can disagree with that at all. If it doesn't add to the atmosphere for you, whatever, but I mean... it's like what the whole series is about and definitely one of the reasons it got so big.

It was explained why Tim lied to Jessica and he clearly did it for the greater good. That does not at all imply Tim is inherently unreliable. Once again, you cannot even show an understanding of the basic plot in your arguments.

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ReverendJ wrote:
How did you find it?


SERIOUSLY. it was already a popular webseries when TTA showed up.

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I'm not sure they said they would drop the totheark subplot, I'm pretty sure they just said they were going to stop making totheark videos, and then they changed their minds.

Also, Tim lied about Jessica because he was afraid if he didn't she would get murdered. He did what pretty much any normal person in Tim's situation would do. That doesn't suggest he lied about anything from the Masky plot, and acting like "Did he remember Masky?" is an unanswered question is still false.

I agree with everything MascaraSnake said, especially about you critiquing the paradigm and not the way it was done, and you basically not being the target audience.

I just don't think it's too implausible that he Googled it. I Google old friends I had falling outs with not to infrequently. If one of them led me to a paranormal monster, killed my friends, and ruined my life, I might do it more often.

I understand you feel like they said they would answer things, but they said they would answer the important questions, not every question. You've just yet to bring up a question I think you can really deem integral to the plot. So I don't think they led anyone to believe that it would exit the paradigm it was always in, just that the important things would be answered, and they were.

Even if you're right though, that seems more like a communication problem between you and the creators. And despite that, this is still important:

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You categorize many of the things that people actively enjoyed about the series as objective flaws. That generally doesn't sit too well with those people. They feel like you brand them as an "incompetent viewer" who can't tell a good story from a bad one.


Your response to that

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Guys, don't fight over me, my heart belongs to another.


shows that you clearly don't give a shit about the fact that you're doing this. I observed you doing it before I commented in this thread, and you continue to do so. Even if you don't believe you're doing it, you should at least care that others perceive you as outright disrespecting them and their intelligence. But you done nothing to back yourself off from that.

Honestly, if I back away from everything, I could give two shits about Marble Hornets, I care more about you disrespecting people on the forum. It's not an okay way to have disagreements, or to treat people.
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420Goku wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
How did you find it?


SERIOUSLY. it was already a popular webseries when TTA showed up.


Yeah, but a lot of the OOG popularity can't exist IG, right? Otherwise Roger Ebert's jaw woulda literally hit the floor when he found out that he gave a shout out to an in-progress, serialized documentary. Because he had a prosthetic jaw in his final years, you know?

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Reviews of the series that treat it as fictional are defecto not IG by their very nature, but that's a result of the popularity, not the cause. I don't know how popular it is IG. But, I do remember Jay being surprised that Something Awful had posted his entry before he did about 11 entries or so in, and he's always responding to tweets. I imagine the early popularity, at least when totheark came into the picture, was somewhat canon.
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I asked you this question before & you evaded it: Do you think that back story is unimportant? Do you think that Brian becoming Hoody, Totheark finding Jay, & Tim saving Jessica & breaking off from Totheark are all "unimportant details"? That these weren't all turning points that influenced the plot in major way? Unless you can tell me that these legitimately aren't important, then no matter how pissed you get, your argument doesn't hold water.


I think the problem is that the creators don't think it was important and they are satisfied with saying "crazy is crazy."



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For starters, I never said that. Secondly, yes, they told fans that they were going to "answer the major questions," "not be a cliche horror series," "not do a cop out ending that explains nothing," etc. With that in mind, there's a lot worse that I could say than "not answering shit is cheap, not deep," which is kind of what I've always said.


That's another part of the problem. In their minds ToTheArk wasn't a major question. I think they believe they upheld their part of the bargain.

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I don't think they needed to go in depth about the Brian/Hoody transformation. I think they went very in depth about Tim and Alex's conditions, I think a whole arc about Brian going crazy probably would have been redundant. I think his motives were perfectly clear, he wanted Alex dead for leading him and Tim to the hospital, plus killing Seth and Sarah, which is probably what led to the Operator transforming him in the first place.


This is always the sticking point with me. I think they built Hoody up to such a point that he needed some sort of explanation. Even if the explanation was in the codes that would be fine.

I'm not suggesting that the tape Tim got at the end should have been a "Hi, I'm Brian and this is a documentary of what I'm doing." But I feel like Alex's explanations for his actions was good and I wished Hoody had gotten the same.

That being said, I'm not too worried about it because the creators are obviously not going to supply the answers and don't seem to really have them to provide.

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Tim saved Jessica by keeping her off of Jay's, Alex's, & presumably Hoody's respective radars. Jay, well, he was probably just stupid, but Tim still had to do something about the other 2. Plus, he had to think of something to say or do to get her to start going on these pills.


Well I don't think she was off Hoody's radar considering the "she's out there" business. He just was incapable of making a straight point.

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Blackout_2014 wrote:
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I don't think they needed to go in depth about the Brian/Hoody transformation. I think they went very in depth about Tim and Alex's conditions, I think a whole arc about Brian going crazy probably would have been redundant. I think his motives were perfectly clear, he wanted Alex dead for leading him and Tim to the hospital, plus killing Seth and Sarah, which is probably what led to the Operator transforming him in the first place.


This is always the sticking point with me. I think they built Hoody up to such a point that he needed some sort of explanation. Even if the explanation was in the codes that would be fine.

I'm not suggesting that the tape Tim got at the end should have been a "Hi, I'm Brian and this is a documentary of what I'm doing." But I feel like Alex's explanations for his actions was good and I wished Hoody had gotten the same.

That being said, I'm not too worried about it because the creators are obviously not going to supply the answers and don't seem to really have them to provide.


I think you're taking them too literally on the "Crazy is as crazy does" explanation. If anything, that just seems like deflection of deeper probing. I don't think they were interested for a second in discussing too many motives other than to hear what the fans were thinking.

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Tim saved Jessica by keeping her off of Jay's, Alex's, & presumably Hoody's respective radars. Jay, well, he was probably just stupid, but Tim still had to do something about the other 2. Plus, he had to think of something to say or do to get her to start going on these pills.


Well I don't think she was off Hoody's radar considering the "she's out there" business. He just was incapable of making a straight point.


It seems he wasn't interested in making a point that someone at a different level of sanity would have considered a "straight" one.

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This is another thing that pisses me off. Those 3 strung people along with promises of answers, then at the end want to say that "wasn't the point," & now I get shit for not wanting to play by those rules. Well, if they'd told me to begin with that they basically didn't have a plot, then no, I wouldn't have continued watching & we wouldn't be having this argument, regardless of whether or not this writing style is valid.

So I guess we're both stuck in a loop of unhappiness.


Yeah this pretty much sums up how I feel about it all. I realize no one owes me anything, but I really was waiting for the answers to come. Then ending just felt like a slap in the face.

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I felt confused/dissatisfied with Hoody when it ended too, but looking back it's actually clear Hoody's main goal was to get rid of Alex, and also at the AMA they basically said Hoody was just slendified personality taken up a few notches, which makes a lot of sense to me if you look at how Alex was always scribbling esoteric dawings and stuff... TTA's videos are just that impulse taken to freaky heights. Also I really like imagining Brian going into a public library, probably smelling awful, and with a completely mute expression and a dumb smile sitting down at a computer to edit a video together.

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I'd love to know what happened to Jay and to Brian in those three years... It's not necessary to the plot, but a little fleshing out coulda helped without sacrificing the more expressionistic and artistic storytelling devices that the trio opted for (and I think largely did well).


Yeah I find that the most interesting part was that Alex actually did leave everything behind until it all picked up again. If Amy hadn't found the camera would everything have been just fine?

With the exception of crazy Hoody that is. I guess he would just be in the Hoody Hut forever.

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