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420Goku wrote:
I felt confused/dissatisfied with Hoody when it ended too, but looking back it's actually clear TTA's main goal was to get rid of Alex, and also at the AMA they basically said Hoody was just slendified personality taken up a few notches, which makes a lot of sense to me if you look at how Alex was always scribbling esoteric dawings and stuff... TTA's videos are just that impulse taken to freaky heights. Also I really like imagining Brian going into a public library, probably smelling awful, and with a completely mute expression and a dumb smile sitting down at a computer to edit a video together.


Why does he have to smell awful? Maybe he's from the area, his folks still live there, and they give their crazy hobo son his own washin' trough out in the backyard with a never ending supply of Doc Bronner's?

Brian's mom's wondering why his tall, well-dressed friend seems to just show up at odd times, and why she has a splitting headache after he leaves.

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I'm going to come at this from a different angle.

You know how some folks are saying that for their next series they hope Trosephim listens to their fans more? I think part of the problem here is that they did.

See, as I understand, at some point they were going to drop the entire TTA subplot completely. The reason they didn't was because there was such an outcry from the fandom. So, maybe they didn't do such a good job resolving that because they didn't really want to deal with it at all? Or I'm full of shit; that's always possible Very Happy.


If that is real, then you have a solid point. It does seem like they treat TTA like its a lark when they made it a pretty big deal in the series.

Maybe they do just need to do their own thing. Plus I recall them saying they only bought Seth back due to fan outcry. That lead to more TTA being three people and "Seth is TTA" speculation.

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If Amy hadn't found the camera would everything have been just fine?


I dunno... but if the camera was planted for her to find, then whoever planted it is in some sense as responsible for her death as Alex is. Because had Oppy never come back and infected her, Alex woulda had no reason to kill her. So I hope it's not Brian, because I'd hate to have seen him stoop to the level of seeing getting Amy out of the way in any way possible as a means justified by the end of stopping Alex.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
I'm going to come at this from a different angle.

You know how some folks are saying that for their next series they hope Trosephim listens to their fans more? I think part of the problem here is that they did.

See, as I understand, at some point they were going to drop the entire TTA subplot completely. The reason they didn't was because there was such an outcry from the fandom. So, maybe they didn't do such a good job resolving that because they didn't really want to deal with it at all? Or I'm full of shit; that's always possible Very Happy.


If that is real, then you have a solid point. It does seem like they treat TTA like its a lark when they made it a pretty big deal in the series.

Maybe they do just need to do their own thing. Plus I recall them saying they only bought Seth back due to fan outcry. That lead to more TTA being three people and "Seth is TTA" speculation.


Again, grains of salt. They want (and I don't think they're not really like this, but I'm just speaking of public appearances) to cultivate the image of being three friends who stumbled into a cult phenomenon. They're not interested in giving specific, detailed, Word Of God answers to everything (they've been both fan and artist, so they know what's expected). The AMA was likely just a bone they thew to their fans and was a bit of fun for them, but wasn't something they took totally seriously. If they answered every fuckin' question, not only would the AMA have gone on much longer; there would still be a raging debate, and then they might get held back even further from their next project.

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It seems he wasn't interested in making a point that someone at a different level of sanity would have considered a "straight" one.


Fair enough, but that's what made the storyline special, four people heavily infected by the operator. What made Brian's reaction so different from the others.

I know Masky's state was similar, but really Hoody took the cake.

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420Goku wrote:
I felt confused/dissatisfied with Hoody when it ended too, but looking back it's actually clear Hoody's main goal was to get rid of Alex, and also at the AMA they basically said Hoody was just slendified personality taken up a few notches, which makes a lot of sense to me if you look at how Alex was always scribbling esoteric dawings and stuff... TTA's videos are just that impulse taken to freaky heights. Also I really like imagining Brian going into a public library, probably smelling awful, and with a completely mute expression and a dumb smile sitting down at a computer to edit a video together.


I've just always wondered why Hoody couldn't just kill Alex. I mean it is plot convenience that one second he seems omniscient but is incapable of pulling a trigger.

(And yes I know the operator saved him that one time!)

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It seems he wasn't interested in making a point that someone at a different level of sanity would have considered a "straight" one.


Fair enough, but that's what made the storyline special, four people heavily infected by the operator. What made Brian's reaction so different from the others.

I know Masky's state was similar, but really Hoody took the cake.[/quote

Because to him the answers ARE straight. Just as Tim's a "LIAR" not necessarily because he's hiding things (though he WAS) but because what he was saying wasn't corresponding one-to-one with "reality" as Brian saw it. Encrypting clues, etc., likely made sense to him, even if it's a function of his negotiating his new normal rather than normal to him.

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Blackout_2014 wrote:
I've just always wondered why Hoody couldn't just kill Alex. I mean it is plot convenience that one second he seems omniscient but is incapable of pulling a trigger.

(And yes I know the operator saved him that one time!)


Well, if he was trying to get all the surviving Marble Hornets chums together in order to reach "The Ark" (I still only buy half of that--the first half), then it wouldn't make much sense for him, crazy or no, to knock Alex off early, right?

Still, I wonder... did Brian somehow attract Jay's attention to the tapes... Or was it IG the Something Awful forum post...

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Well, if he was trying to get all the surviving Marble Hornets chums together in order to reach "The Ark"


What makes you think that's what he was trying to do? I can't think of anything to support that theory.

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420Goku wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Well, if he was trying to get all the surviving Marble Hornets chums together in order to reach "The Ark"


What makes you think that's what he was trying to do? I can't think of anything to support that theory.


I don't. But I remember reading this in something dealing with the AMA. Something about "The Ark" just being "The End (that Brian was trying to bring everyone to)." I don't much care for that interpretation.

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 		I don't really think someone planted the camera, I think Alex burned down Jay's house in 25 after the Operator started stalking him in 23/24, and this got him back involved. I think Amy really just found the camera.

I guess I always separated Hoody's "deal" into two categories, what was he trying to do, and how he got to be the way he was trying to do that. So with Alex he gives a couple big speeches in 85 and 86 about his motives, but by the time he does, we also know how he got where he is, and why that's his MO. We see him get stalked by the Operator and go crazy in Season 1, and then see it happen again in Season 2.

With Tim, we understand better where "Masky" comes from because of various pieces of exposition. Tim talking about his "History" in Entry #55 and Jay linking this to his actions as Masky in the white text, his medical documents, and his speech (Which is helped by Tim's amazing acting).

To me, Hoody spelled his motives out in Decay. Jay will lead him to Alex, he will make Alex pay. The question was always, why kill Alex, and why so...maskily? Why does he act so wack, yo? We never see Brian get stalked by the Operator, we just see Alex lead him to it in 51. His deal happens kinda offscreen.

The thing is, I never minded because by the end of the series, we've seen footage of Alex (twice), shit with Tim, and, we've seen the same thing happen to Jay. Seriously, we see Jay go totally crazy, and the cause and effect of this and the Operator is made clear numerous times. At the end, it basically becomes a sickness.

So what I meant when I said I thought a big Brian thing would end up being redundant, I meant I didn't feel like looking at more "Gets stalked by Operator, goes crazy" tapes/documents/present day footage. Towards the end we see him have coughing fits, and taking Tim's meds, and he wears a mask like Timasky, and he writes up cryptic papers like Alex. By the time we were getting towards the end, I just wanted an explanation for why he was being stalked by the Operator, and why he wanted Alex dead. "He's Brian" was satisfactory to explain both those things to me. But I think people were frustrated mostly because we never get to actually see this happen.

So I could see that. I just don't think it's fair to say that they didn't answer all the important things like they claimed they would, at least implicitly, just because of Brian. And yeah, the Operator stops him from shooting Alex. As for the ark, they said at the end of the story, he did what he did to catalyze the end of everything. I assume, since he mentions the ark all the time around that point, that's what the ark was. But I think in 67 he was trying to kill Alex, he just got stopped by the Operator.
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I don't really think someone planted the camera, I think Alex burned down Jay's house in 25 after the Operator started stalking him in 23/24, and this got him back involved. I think Amy really just found the camera.

I guess I always separated Hoody's "deal" into two categories, what was he trying to do, and how he got to be the way he was trying to do that. So with Alex he gives a couple big speeches in 85 and 86 about his motives, but by the time he does, we also know how he got where he is, and why that's his MO. We see him get stalked by the Operator and go crazy in Season 1, and then see it happen again in Season 2.

With Tim, we understand better where "Masky" comes from because of various pieces of exposition. Tim talking about his "History" in Entry #55 and Jay linking this to his actions as Masky in the white text, his medical documents, and his speech (Which is helped by Tim's amazing acting).

To me, Hoody spelled his motives out in Decay. Jay will lead him to Alex, he will make Alex pay. The question was always, why kill Alex, and why so...maskily? Why does he act so wack, yo? We never see Brian get stalked by the Operator, we just see Alex lead him to it in 51. His deal happens kinda offscreen.

The thing is, I never minded because by the end of the series, we've seen footage of Alex (twice), shit with Tim, and, we've seen the same thing happen to Jay. Seriously, we see Jay go totally crazy, and the cause and effect of this and the Operator is made clear numerous times. At the end, it basically becomes a sickness.

So what I meant when I said I thought a big Brian thing would end up being redundant, I meant I didn't feel like looking at more "Gets stalked by Operator, goes crazy" tapes/documents/present day footage. Towards the end we see him have coughing fits, and taking Tim's meds, and he wears a mask like Timasky, and he writes up cryptic papers like Alex. By the time we were getting towards the end, I just wanted an explanation for why he was being stalked by the Operator, and why he wanted Alex dead. "He's Brian" was satisfactory to explain both those things to me. But I think people were frustrated mostly because we never get to actually see this happen.

So I could see that. I just don't think it's fair to say that they didn't answer all the important things like they claimed they would, at least implicitly, just because of Brian. And yeah, the Operator stops him from shooting Alex. As for the ark, they said at the end of the story, he did what he did to catalyze the end of everything. I assume, since he mentions the ark all the time around that point, that's what the ark was. But I think in 67 he was trying to kill Alex, he just got stopped by the Operator.


But why, if he'd figured out that there was some connection between TO and cameras, would Alex hold on to any of them? It seems more plausible to me that Alex got rid of cameras at some point between Entry #22 and Entry #26. Whatever was on that tape that recorded TO's attack at Amy's place may have been something that led up to this. But when Alex says "We don't have a camera," he seems to be pretty sincere, and when he sees the camera in Amy's hand, he's terrified. I dont' have much proof, true, but I do think that someone may have planted the camera for Amy to find. Otherwise, it's too damn coincidental that TO's reappearance in Alex's life happens on his birthday--IF the reappearance really did happen on 4/4/2010 (IG) and if that really was his birthday.

EDIT: Just as Alex reacquired cameras and began filming things obsessively again once TO reappeared in his life.

THere's some evidence that putting down cameras and eschewing contact with anything having to do with the MH project keeps TO away (except for poor Tim, who had been marked from early on, and for poor Brian, who was completely cracked). There's also evidence that getting involved with anything related to the MH shoot brings TO's effects back into one' life--Jay getting severely ill as he delved into the tapes, for example.

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 		Maybe Alex had already passed the Operator onto Amy, decided she needed to die, and placed the camera himself? That way, he could kill Amy, edit the footage to lure Jay out, and maybe convince him to not bring a camera when he tried to murderize him out there.
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Maybe Alex had already passed the Operator onto Amy, decided she needed to die, and placed the camera himself? That way, he could kill Amy, edit the footage to lure Jay out, and maybe convince him to not bring a camera when he tried to murderize him out there.


Placed the camera where himself? I'm not sure I follow you on that point. I think all the rest is more than plausible.

I'm saying I think that there was likely some post-Entry #22 fallout (and I wonder how TTA got that bloody tape). Then Alex tried to shed the past completely. Whether it was Brian tracking everyone down (MAYBE with the help of Tim as Masky? Here's where Skully could have deepened the mystery and thickened the plot, making both sides happy) or Brian finding (whether by stumbling into it or by closely monitoring Jay and discovering it--maybe Brian was responsible for Jay rediscovering the tapes?) the MH YouTube channel, I don't know, but maybe Alex was brought back into everything then, well before Entry #26? So then Jay, Alex, and Tim from Entry #15 on would have been involved again. With Brian/Hoody/TTA instigating things and keeping them involved again, it would only be a matter of time before... what, exactly, I dunno (I edited this last sentence because I was pretty dissatisfied with what I'd written).

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 		If Amy just found the camera and it wasn't planted, then WTF was that shit on the tape before she started filming (and taking a moving selfie while she was at it Rolling Eyes )?

So, here's my answer: Skully planted the camera (which is why he was on that tape). Now, with that in mind, imagine if they'd gone with their "Jay is Skully" idea, and weep at the lost opportunity Twisted Evil .

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