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[DHawk314]

Various thoughts on Hoody/Brian/the ark

[Lithp]

That last thing is what I eventually ended up doing, but how the shit does Jay lead Hoody to Alex?

[DHawk314]

totheark's Attention: "Return to us"

Entry ######: Tim/totheark: "We will wait for you no more/I'm coming for you and you'll lead me to the ark."

Entry #26: Jay gets package from Alex with return address.

Entry #35: Jay goes to return address, Alex is there, Tim is also there and he attacks Alex. Alex: "He's not gonna follow us!" *breaks legs*

Entry #39: 1 week after Tim's leg breaks, a figure films Jay outside his car, footage is uploaded as totheark's "Forecast".

Entry #41: Brian picks up Jay's camera, totheark's Intermission implies totheark saw Jay in the woods the same day.

Entry #45: Brian leads Alex to the woods where Tim attacks Alex.

Conclusion:

Part 1:
Tim and Jay are living in "College Town" in season 1, Tim is obviously stalking Jay at this point, then Jay goes to Rosswood Park town and Tim pretty clearly follows him there to get to Alex. He stabs Alex as soon at this happens.

But then, to me the idea that Jay was being stalked by a masked person, he went to a totally different location, and then that masked person showed up there, always implied that he'd followed him there.

Part 2:
Season 1 totheark videos use "we" and "us" a lot, plus Brian appears literally the week after Tim's leg gets broken, doing stuff Tim himself would likely be doing otherwise. This, plus them being left in the same hospital by Alex in 51 during 2006, and loads of other shit, implies Brian and Tim's masked selves were working together in the time period that Tim followed Jay to Alex in 26/34/35.

I don't know if you believe there are multiple totheark users, but if you don't, and you think it was just Brian and not Tim, then that whole paragraph was irrelevant. We know totheark was stalking Jay in Season 1, so that just makes the implication that Brian followed Jay to Alex, and that that explains Brian's appearances in Season 2 around Rosswood Park even more explicit.

Other stuff:

There's no way either Tim or Brian would know Alex was living where he was before Jay was led out there, Tim at the very least was living in College Town during Season 1, and presumably so was Brian. Let's look for instance at this quote from Entry #47

Alex: "It's a little hard to find someone when psychopaths wearing masks are tracking you down, and there are people breaking into your apartment! That did not happen before you came around!"

Alex could be lying here but he probably wasn't.

So Jay leading Brian to Alex totally succeeded. Brian just failed at the "kill him" part and then by the time "Decay" happened he'd lost track again. But then, basically, Jay and Tim go to the woods, because of Jay, and Alex is there, and Alex and Brian both follow Tim from there to the hospital in 64/65/67 (I should mention totheark's Display implies that totheark watched what happened to Tim is the tunnel). And then after that Brian seemed to know where Alex was, or at least he figured it out again.

But then, I think this is actually why you didn't enjoy the ending and I did, because to me, the idea that the masked people had followed Jay to Alex when Jay found him in Season 2 was always kind of a clear plot point, but to you, Hoody just appeared out of nowhere, so the whole thing must have just seemed like a bunch of confusing bullshit to you. And that probably applies to other aspects of the series we disagree about.

But then to you, everything I just said might seem like baseless speculation. I was actually watching the series at the time Season 2 was happening though, and I don't know if you were or not, so I might have had more time to think about all of this, but this was what I always thought happened. I mean, totheark/masked people following Jay in one location, then they show up in another location Jay goes to, blablabla, it was all intuitive to me.

So I guess that's the answer to your question.

[Sidenote]

[Marble Hornets]

Fuck everyone who asked a dumb question like "what is your favorite pizza topping" and not "why did Alex not shoot Jessica at the end of entry #68" - the biggest god damn plot hole in the series

They came off as kind of assholish at times during that Q&A. For Troy to not give any clues for the totheark riddles was stupid. People who will continue to waste their time trying to figure them out only to have them reveal "He's watching you" or some dumb shit... don't waste your time guys

Overall, really pissed the majority of people asked non plot-centric questions. Who cares what their favorite pizza topping is? Why would you not want to know more about specific things, like Tim's fear of the door in the hospital, or why Hoody/Tim wear masks

Some things were elaborated on and I dug that, but not enough

[RiftTraveler]

AMA, dude.
Ask Me ANYTHING.

Not AMAAMH
Ask Me Anything About Marble Hornets

Not AMEWPWTHANEBTWRAH

Ask Me Exactly What Pravado Wants To Hear And Nothing Else Because The World Revolves Around Him.

If people want to know their favorite pizza toppings, let 'em ask. Asking them questions about their personal preferences is totally viable and fair. From what I saw, they were asked the same ten questions about sixty times. I'd be sick of those and be looking for ANYTHING ELSE TO ANSWER as well.

It's exactly the same as when they tangent off down rabbit trails in their podcast, which I personally find more interesting than anything else because you get to know them as people, which is always nice.

TL;DR: Fuck you, asshole.

-Tycho

[DHawk314]

Watch me solve the "biggest god damn plot hole in the series".

- Operator teleports Jessica somewhere, she drops the camera
- Alex sees camera as he picks up his gun
- camera teleports back to where Jessica was

Wow I guess the plot hole wasn't that big after all.

I mean, that scene might have just been there to signify that Alex got his gun back, and it's important to remember that Jessica dropped the gun in the tunnel before she ran off into the woods and encountered the Operator. So the only thing standing in Alex's way was Brian, but we never really saw how that encounter went. As a matter of fact, the camera and Jessica obviously both did a great deal of teleporting, and Jessica wasn't holding it when we see her at the end, so it's really you who assumed Jessica was there in the first place.

What I'm trying to say is:

1) Not only is that not the biggest plot hole, or even a medium sized one, it's a plot hole you invented based entirely on your various assumptions.

2) I live in a free country and I'll ask them what their favorite ice cream flavor is if I damn well please, and if you hadn't implicitly told me to go fuck myself for it in your post for doing so, then this post I just wrote up wouldn't have been so snarky.

[Sidenote]

[DHawk314]

By the way "MarbleHornets", someone did ask them why he was scared of the hospital doors and they didn't get to it. But they answered the mask question, so here, I guess I'll link you to it:

http://www.reddit.com/r/marblehornets/comments/2b2pmf/were_troy_wagner_joseph_delage_and_tim_sutton_we/cj1c1u0

I actually think the answer that Hoody did what he did at the end to catalyze the end to everything was something we didn't already know.

[Sidenote]

[420Goku]

I wasn't expecting it but this actually cleared some things up for me! they weren't always that great at answering everything though...

also thumbs up to DHawk's posts in this thread. some of the few posts I've seen to really make sense ever since entry 87 hit

[Lithp]

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[DHawk314]

They didn't "Know it was going to happen" but at that point they were following Jay, and Jay was looking for Alex, and it's likely, given what's said in Decay, that they were following Jay to get to Alex. Since his investigation revolved around finding Alex, there's nothing illogical there. However, it's possible Entry ###### was the "Shit gets real" video for the masked people, because that was right after Jay had his first legitimate Operator experience, which is probably also why Alex burns Jay's house down in 25, because if you remember, Alex's motives involved killing everyone involved with the Operator. Now that Jay's encountered him, he's more efficient bait.

Jay goes to the return address in 34. Presumably, Tim follows him and waits there before 35, because it's his best lead as to where Alex might show up.

Tim and Brian, as far as I can tell, never had a falling out. They both had masked personas, which for Brian, may have been permanent. Tim didn't remember his, he never did, in 59 he even mentions waking up with his leg broken after 35 and not knowing why. It's unclear, and also irrelevant, if Tim was Masky from 18-seven months-33/76 straight, but in 76 we see him wake up and take off the mask the next day, so presumably he woke up as Tim at least at that point.

Presumably, it's at some point after this that Tim and Jessica start seeing the same doctor, and since Jay said the town around there, which they both lived in, was the "epitome of a small town" on Twitter, it makes sense to me that they both ended up going to the same doctor.

We know that at the end Hoody was trying to catalyze the end to everything, which as I mentioned worked, and he mentioned the ark a lot around that time, so I assume that's what the ark was. That wasn't made explicit at all, but I still think it's totally unfair to call it "meaningless bullshit" and say that's why they didn't explain it. I get disagreeing with their choice not to explain it, but it's pretty clear to me they knew what it was at least.

Anyways, Tim never remembered being Masky, and once he started going to the doctors, he started controlling being Masky with his meds, so I think that's the closest thing to the "falling out" you're referring to. As for Brian constantly calling Tim a liar after that, that doesn't have anything to do with Tim being Masky, it refers to Jessica.

And yeah nothing else in this thread has to do with you.

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