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MistrPibb wrote:
Anyone else feel suspicious of how they kept referring to Skully as "still out there" after saying it was a scrapped idea? I'll bet they're going to use Skully to bridge MH to their new series somehow


Oh, I doubt that. Joseph said that the new series wouldn't be directly tied to MH.
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I loved this. I'm just disappointed they didn't explain what the ark is and are never going to explain how they did the operator.

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The Slender Man wrote:
I loved this. I'm just disappointed they didn't explain what the ark is and are never going to explain how they did the operator.

I'm pretty sure they were joking when they said they weren't gonna reveal how thu did the Operator. They stated numerous times that they would reveal how they did the Operator when the series is over. I think Joseph also talked about how boring it will be in the Season 3 DVD.
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Striker wrote:
The Slender Man wrote:
I loved this. I'm just disappointed they didn't explain what the ark is and are never going to explain how they did the operator.

I'm pretty sure they were joking when they said they weren't gonna reveal how thu did the Operator. They stated numerous times that they would reveal how they did the Operator when the series is over. I think Joseph also talked about how boring it will be in the Season 3 DVD.


They said that way earlier though, I think they changed their minds. I'm glad they're keeping it a mystery Very Happy

Though the questions Joseph answered in regards to the next series were very interesting.

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Fuck everyone who asked a dumb question like "what is your favorite pizza topping" and not "why did Alex not shoot Jessica at the end of entry #68" - the biggest god damn plot hole in the series

They came off as kind of assholish at times during that Q&A. For Troy to not give any clues for the totheark riddles was stupid. People who will continue to waste their time trying to figure them out only to have them reveal "He's watching you" or some dumb shit... don't waste your time guys

Overall, really pissed the majority of people asked non plot-centric questions. Who cares what their favorite pizza topping is? Why would you not want to know more about specific things, like Tim's fear of the door in the hospital, or why Hoody/Tim wear masks

Some things were elaborated on and I dug that, but not enough


I know what you mean. I was browsing Bioware's forums during the Mass Effect 3 ending controversy. Soon after there was a convention of some kind where the audience could field questions to the writers, and I believe they only had time to answer 10 questions. Forum posters were expecting them to get grilled on the ending, since that's practically all anyone was talking about on the board at the time. Instead, the convention goers just asked about a bunch of minor bullshit, and some of the comments weren't even questions. A lot of posters were livid, and accused Bioware of putting plants in the audience, or screening fans. One fan who attended stated they weren't screened. Maybe it's just that it's easier for most fans to talk about how much the writing bothers them than it is to directly confront the writers about it, you can understand why people were pissed that fans wasted the opportunity to perhaps get some direct answers from the writers.

Then again, maybe it's for the best. Obviously the writers aren't going to say "Yeah, we screwed the pooch on that one", so unless they had the answers and didn't bother putting them in the series (Which I find unlikely, based on what I've heard about how the series was developed) any answer they give would likely be unsatisfactory or make them come off as self-satisfied and pretentious, and just make things worse for everyone.

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MistrPibb wrote:
Anyone else feel suspicious of how they kept referring to Skully as "still out there" after saying it was a scrapped idea? I'll bet they're going to use Skully to bridge MH to their new series somehow


I don't, because the comments that they were responding to were basically saying, "We like to pretend that he's out there."

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Dude I think your timeline is really off. By the time the masked people followed Jay to Alex in 26/34/35, Jay had already been filmed by totheark in Brian's house in 16, been attacked by Tim in 18, and filmed Tim breaking into his house in 19. There is no "plot convenience" about it, you're just confused.


I'm talking about how it was never revealed how Totheark conceived of this idea in the 1st place. "They were already following him" doesn't make sense as a response to that question. Jay didn't just go home & watch the tapes that Alex had given him, they were buried in the back of his closet for years. So the assumption that he would lead them to Alex doesn't make sense. Obviously, they couldn't have been watching him from the beginning, or they would have done something to try to prod him. So, clearly, they must have found out about Jay after he'd started watching the tapes, but before he did any active investigation, since it's implied that they lured him to Brian's house. How? Are we to believe that they sometimes just randomly Google "Marble Hornets"? I see no way to resolve this dilemma without a suspiciously plot convenient coincidence.

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I think the masked states' correlation to Operator exposure was really clear.


Alex is more exposed than Brian, & according to the AMA, about as exposed as Tim. Yet he has no "masked state," he actually seems less sick than Jay, is the only character who's killing the others off, the only character noted to not run from The Operator when he has the chance, & the character it's most often seen with. That's a lot of odd discrepancies. The cough apparently disappears when you start to slip into "masked mode," so that explains that, but it really should have been made clearer considering that the masked characters are ALSO on shit to suppress the sickness. Other than that, it's just weird that the person least exposed to The Operator has the worst manifestation of the condition & he's STILL not acting as extreme as Alex.

Also, if we set aside Troy's confirmation for a second, the notion that Tim & Brian have "the same problem" is based more on assumptions than anything else. What do they REALLY have in common? That they wear disguises? Well, sure, but the disguises are very different, & I don't just mean "they look different." Tim basically just wears a creepy mask, while Brian completely conceals his physical features & wears gloves, which would hide his fingerprints. He also wears clothing that's pretty well-suited to make him less visible against a backdrop of dead leaves. Since neither character says anything, it's difficult to tell if this is simply compulsion, like with Tim, or a calculated effort on Brian's part to conceal evidence of his identity. Yes, they both don't talk, but again, difficult to tell if their motives are the same. And while they share some actions, they don't share others, with Tim routinely being more prone to direct physical confrontation & Brian tending to stick to the shadows & drop clues. Brian will even go so far as to "re-maskify" Tim when he wants some muscle. The fact that they both used the pills only established that Brian was trying to treat Operator symptoms, not that they both expressed the Masked State symptom.

Actually, speaking of those pills, I had forgotten 1 of the scenes that made me suspect that Tim remembers his actions. He tells Alex that he "knows what it's like" because he's "had to deal with [The Operator for his] entire life." That's an oddly certain statement for someone with no memory of the events. Even if we assume that there's enough evidence for to assume that it's true that he's "the source," there's still that odd "I know what it's like." How can you know what it's like to be stalked by The Operator without remembering it?

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That's what I disagree with. That's not bullshitting, it just has to do with working around the nature of the early on series.


Even if I'm to accept both that they couldn't come up with anything better AND that they couldn't explain it in the series because it would "ruin the atmosphere," why not just state that "The Ark is the end" any of the numerous times that it came up? That's basically what they ended up doing ANYWAY, but why wait so long, hyping up a mystery that is ultimately not mysterious?

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Do you know how cool [Skully Jay] would [have] been?!


Actually, yes. I was originally thinking that this would be kind of hokey, but the more I think about it, this would tie together so many of the hanging plot threads.

Obviously, the "Skully" & "Maskified Jay" shots would no longer be out of place. It would also explain how Tim & Brian suddenly found out about Jay--because he had been Operated on & joined Totheark. Which would THEN logically lead to the explanation for why The Operator usually leaves him alone--they're secretly slipping him those pills. This could also have been how Tim & Brian kept getting his password.

They might have actually scrapped THE most important plot point that they came up with.

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Cyan507 wrote:
Striker wrote:
The Slender Man wrote:
I loved this. I'm just disappointed they didn't explain what the ark is and are never going to explain how they did the operator.

I'm pretty sure they were joking when they said they weren't gonna reveal how thu did the Operator. They stated numerous times that they would reveal how they did the Operator when the series is over. I think Joseph also talked about how boring it will be in the Season 3 DVD.


They said that way earlier though, I think they changed their minds. I'm glad they're keeping it a mystery Very Happy

Though the questions Joseph answered in regards to the next series were very interesting.


In the podcast (last week or the week before) Joseph pretty much let it slip (very quickly moved on after it and they pretended he didn't say anything) that he played the operator in one of the season 3 entries where the operator reached his arm over to turn off the camera or w/e

I have to imagine they used a dolly with a string or something to move him, cause they never show its legs

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I personally think it's stupid that they aren't revealing how they did the Operator. Their reason being it will take away the "spookiness", as if there is any spookiness left after things like slender man morphsuits, everyone going nuts over Slender: The Eight Pages, and just the general memeification of him. Slender man was only truly terrifying in season 1.

They might as well just tell us how they did it. It won't ruin a damn thing.

Edit: And why are they worried about their explanation being "boring" if they tell us? No one is expecting a huge revelation. People just want to know if it's a mannequin, or a man on stilts, etc. They're overthinking it way too much.

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Really bummed no one asked them why The Slender Man became basically a cameo player in Season 2 and 3, or why he stopped moving around in later seasons.

As far as plot explanations, I wasn't really expecting much but it was interesting to hear about Skully's plans and Brian pretty much just being broken mentally, though still having the sense to go to a public place and edit and upload videos while playing it cool. I suppose I didn't care a great much about plot and was more into the horror aspect and the characters, so I'm not too miffed about unanswered questions or plot holes. The plot was compelling at best and serviceable at worst. I'll take it.

I'm supremely curious about their new series. It's gonna be fucking weird to see the guys playing different characters with different personalities.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Striker wrote:
The Slender Man wrote:
I loved this. I'm just disappointed they didn't explain what the ark is and are never going to explain how they did the operator.

I'm pretty sure they were joking when they said they weren't gonna reveal how thu did the Operator. They stated numerous times that they would reveal how they did the Operator when the series is over. I think Joseph also talked about how boring it will be in the Season 3 DVD.


They said that way earlier though, I think they changed their minds. I'm glad they're keeping it a mystery Very Happy

Though the questions Joseph answered in regards to the next series were very interesting.


In the podcast (last week or the week before) Joseph pretty much let it slip (very quickly moved on after it and they pretended he didn't say anything) that he played the operator in one of the season 3 entries where the operator reached his arm over to turn off the camera or w/e

I have to imagine they used a dolly with a string or something to move him, cause they never show its legs


Why is that a slip thing? They've stated numerous times that the rig isn't a mannequin so it has to be a person. And given how Alex is the tallest of the three and quite thin, it only makes sense that he play TO. What I'm curious about is when Alex and TO are in the same place. Do Troy and Tim use the costume? Neither really have the body types for it.

And we've seen The Operator's legs nearly every time it's appeared in Season 3. We've rarely seen the feet if that's what you mean and I imagine it'd be a tricky thing to capture due to the stilts and such. I couldn't see them using a dolly either, you would have been able to see the tracks at some point and if they used that to wheel him in and out of a set don't you think they would have at least tried to introduce him into the frame at some stage doing that?

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JustJim wrote:
Really bummed no one asked them why The Slender Man became basically a cameo player in Season 2 and 3, or why he stopped moving around in later seasons.

As far as plot explanations, I wasn't really expecting much but it was interesting to hear about Skully's plans and Brian pretty much just being broken mentally, though still having the sense to go to a public place and edit and upload videos while playing it cool. I suppose I didn't care a great much about plot and was more into the horror aspect and the characters, so I'm not too miffed about unanswered questions or plot holes. The plot was compelling at best and serviceable at worst. I'll take it.

I'm supremely curious about their new series. It's gonna be fucking weird to see the guys playing different characters with different personalities.


They were on my list of questions, I simply didn't get to them, considering how few of my questions were answered to begin with. Only 1 of my posts was directly answered, which is fine, but less than half of them were answered even indirectly, which is more annoying.

As for the last thing, I've already kind of gotten over that, considering that the characters are nothing like their actors.

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Has anyone tried cracking the Null code again, since Troy said it was solvable? I can't imagine any great revelations coming from it, but it would be nice if someone finally got an answer for it.

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Lithp wrote:
Are we to believe that they sometimes just randomly Google "Marble Hornets"?


That's how non-masky Tim found out about it, actually. Though they might've been googling "Alex Kralie" or something instead. It's also not necessarily hard to imagine those guys browsing 4chan's /x/ or something awful or wherever else the series was being talked about in 2009. It got pretty popular pretty quick so I mean they could've just come across it someday. I don't see how this is at all as big of a plot hole as you're making it out to be.

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How can you know what it's like to be stalked by The Operator without remembering it?


Because that's exactly what it's like to be stalked by TO. You wake up somewhere with no memory of what happened and a weird sickness. Tim genuinely did have experience dealing with that.

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Okay, I've gotten tired of talking about this again, so here's what I really think. I've been with the series since season 2 barely began. Back then, we really didn't know what was going on. There was hardly a structured plot. We know a shit ton more about pretty much everything since then, so I think the idea that "almost nothing was answered" it completely absurd. The stuff that wasn't answered I don't think needed to be. If you honestly thought "How did totheark find Jay's channel" was gonna be answered then you were deluding yourself. And I told people towards the end that they weren't going to go too in depth about Hoody's motives. They went way in depth about how the Operator had changed Tim and Alex, and Hoody's symptoms are really just an amalgamation of their's.

He's clearly a guy being stalked by the Operator trying to kill Alex. If you watched the series with any amount of detail that was clear as day. Him being Brian, who Alex led to the Operator in an attempt to kill him, makes perfect sense, and I literally told people they were probably just going to reveal it was Brian and not go too much further. And I was right.

So what does me being right about that signify? To me, it signifies that what unFiction always wanted from Marble Hornets was never anything Marble Hornets actually was. I always liked Marble Hornets. I thought Marble Hornets was really scary. I thought the characters of Alex, Jay, and Tim were fascinating and I think the way their arcs converged was excellent. And once again, the idea that by the end of Season 3 we didn't no more than we did before Season 3 is just ridiculous, and it really forgets how little we knew about anything back then. So many gaps have been filled in.

And a lot of the questions were answered implicitly. You have to be paying attention. But that also falls under the category of me knowing what the nature of the series actually was from the start; I knew it was going to be this way. Here's the thing: I loved it. I loved it when I first watched it and I knew it was going to be that way, and I always thought that the way it was was actually really cool. It's obviously not for everyone, and that was always obvious, no matter which way you actually thought it was going to go.

People have been listing off unanswered questions since Season 2 and I've been telling people their lists had things that either didn't need to be answered in this kind of series, or were already answered and they didn't catch it. But forget about all of that bullshit. Because I don't care if you didn't like it. If you didn't like it, I totally respect that opinion. Seriously, if you didn't like Marble Hornets, that doesn't make me lose any respect for you.

Here's my actual problem, here's what I actually think: Everyone who didn't like the series is really condescending about it and I'm really fucking sick of it. Everyone who didn't like it acts like their opinion is objectively correct. If you read my above paragraphs and thought "Wow his opinion about the nature of the series was kind of condescending," understand, that's how people who didn't like it have been coming off every since it ended, except to the like tenth power.

I did not "like the series because my standards were lower." If one more person tells me I liked it because I have lower standards then I'm going to pee on everything that person likes. The plot structure was unconventional, answering questions implicitly, keeping things mysterious while still advancing the plot and basically answering the big things. By Season 2, it sort of became a character driven plot, bringing characters like Tim or Alex, and even occasionally Brian to the forefront to implicitly show what was going on with them, while still having a sense that some mysterious malevolent phenomenon was in the background.

I didn't like the series in spite of the weird plot because my standards were lower, I liked the series because of the weird plot structure, and that's what I've liked about it since I first marathoned the first season 3 years ago. I've marathoned the whole thing twice since it ended, once by myself, and once with friends, and both times I thought it was scary, and both times I thought it was interesting, and both times I thought the character arcs were excellent. It ended exactly in the manner I thought it would, because that was the manner I always thought it should.

And let me reiterate: I have no disrespect for people who didn't like the series, or the ending, or anything else about it, at all. The point I've been trying to make up until now is that it wasn't disappointing to you because Troy, Joseph, and Tim made mistakes, it was disappointing because they weren't ever trying to do what you thought they were trying to do with the series, and personally, I think what they did with it was fucking great.

But that's not the point I'm trying to make now. Now, my only point is this: you know that respect I show you despite your disagreement with me about the series? I really want you all to show me and everyone else who liked it at least one tenth of that respect for our opinions, and not just treat them like their objectively falser than your's, and like we have lower standards, and like we just don't understand how stories are "supposed to be," because I am literally just so fucking tired of having conversations like that here.
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420Goku wrote:
That's how non-masky Tim found out about it, actually.


Yeah, after Jay started questioning him about it. That's not a contrived coincidence, Tim actually had a reason to suddenly look it up. Jay suddenly bumping into Tim might have been, though.

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I don't see how this is at all as big of a plot hole as you're making it out to be.


That could be because I'm not making it out to be a plot hole. I have consistently referred to it as "plot convenience" & "lazy writing," & I have stated that the logic is valid.

I don't know where people are getting the idea that, just because something isn't logically impossible, there's nothing wrong with it. It's POSSIBLE that Alex could have been struck by lightning on the way to confront Jay, or better yet, picked up by the cops after they saw the channel & given court-ordered therapy, but would that have been good writing?

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Because that's exactly what it's like to be stalked by TO. You wake up somewhere with no memory of what happened and a weird sickness. Tim genuinely did have experience dealing with that.


"I can empathize with you because I have this memory loss which you don't reference & have encounters with this monster that I don't remember but you seem to, which could easily entirely change your outlook on events."

Again, possible, but a huge stretch. Are we operating under the assumption that Trosephim have some kind of addictive need for needlessly convoluted writing?

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