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adolgonosov
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Speaking of the numbers 7 and 4, this is from Detainee Confession 01, apparently Rhea's first entry in the 'confession' journal.

7x7 could correspond to the 7 element and 7 glyph pairings mapping to 49 of something. I still like the idea of those being locations, based on previous leads.

The page also mentions 4x7. The only thing that I know we have 4 of at this point is sisters... Vera, Oksana, Rhea, Jenya.

Also notice that the numbers FOUR and SEVEN are underlined and bolded in the original Russian.

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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:57 pm

CHARIOT
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New to this, but this it what I have so far...

Hello. New investigator here. Smile

Quote:

That's an interesting thought. From Alfa-Arkiv, we know there are confirmed Czargrad houses in:

Dubai, UAE
Yamantau/Mezhgorye/Beloretsk, Russia
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Sydney, Australia

I think we can also consider adding houses/czargrads in:

Berlin, Germany
Suva, Figi
Tehran, Iran
Medellin, Colombia
Santiago, Chile
Paris, France
Prague, Czech Republic
Lisbon, Portugal
Manila, Philippines
Hong Kong, China

Dubrovin's emails available in the ALFA-ARKIV directly and indirectly mention houses in these locations - him being called in to "sweep" on occasion. Some of these may have just been travel stops, but I marked potential house locations as I read today and this was the list at the end of that process.

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From the 4x7 = 28 and the 7x7=49 information, we'd be looking for numerous houses spanning the world's biggest cities - Alexander Dubrovin even verbalizes this in one of his emails. It's an interesting note that the Russian "four" and "Seven" were emphasized... a hint to the result of 28 over 49 locations?

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I know I may end up rehashing some of what you gentlemen have already said, but I thought it a good idea to put all our chips on the table and decipher things from the collective. That said, here's my take on the sisters/elements as I interpreted them before seeing this forum.

1. Vera
Red, Fire, Martydom, Heart.
Vera did sacrifice herself to save her sisters in Derbent, Dagestan bombing incident, so she fits the association. We've seen visual proof via face recognition via a drone to confirm her death - thought the location of this body is unknown. Is it bombed military barracks or the underground tunnel between #3 and #4 that was hit with an airstrike? Being that the footage was dark and she was covered in structural material rather than car wreckage, I believe she perished int he airstrike. This might imply that the bombing that vilified the sisters was a lie/false document as claimed.

2. Oksana
Blue, Kitsune (Fox), Sky, Eyes, Escape
Oksana escaped the bombing incident, at least that's what the report claims. Did she likewise escape the airstrike? I believe so, she did contact us from the field within the ALFA-ARKIV when she needed us to declare publicly our allegiance to Vera over twitter. And we've vids of her recruiting and making rousing speeches (some falsifed in edited videos) in what seems an outdoor or ruined area.

3. Rhea
Green, Water/Sea, Conception, Breasts/Chest
I believe it was implied that she was impregnated and conceived at some point; either by terrorist rapists post-Dagestan, or by suitors in #3. We've seen photos now that show her with a child, presumed to be Ani.

4. Ani
White, Body, Rebrirth, Lips
Born of Rhea's body, her child of currently unknown conception. Seen in photos wearing white.

5. Sisterhood
Black, Communion, Harmony, Ants, Brain.
Joined in silence - which could be interpreted as oppression, being hidden away from the world. Obviously, they are all in the same situation and obey as ants would obey their queen - a hive mind. The Sisterhood, imo, gives the strength, purpose - something good to make of the bad. It gives them hope.

6. The Great Mother (Gwaschemasch'e)
All, Origin, Unity.
From which they all came, or so implies the electric window. I believe the imagery of the Matryoshka Doll implies this. All coming from one greater source.

and that leaves

7. Jenya
Rusty Brown, Yellow, Yamantau, Earth, Genitalia, Sex, Filth, Confinement
This is the only one I feel unsure of. We know she was confined to the Dubai House under the curator, Kalila. She was a master manipulator with her "grace". We also know she vanished or was taken. I believe she fits Yamantau/Earth because she's dead and buried. We know her body was returned to Yamantau. I believe Jenya is the model in the THENFRIEND vid, thus why she vanished from Dubai. Jenya became the mountain and I think Rhea is intuitive enough to realize it, if not be sure of it as she spoke to it many times in your journals.

That places everything, tentatively and theoretically speaking at least from my beginning standpoint.

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And just so everyone knows where I personally left off, I didn't not give up the files to Yuri. He posed the "who distributed the photos?" question to me and I didn't get a chance to respond. When I did so, he was offline.

And here I am.

Hope this helps and hope I didn't rehash too much.

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:52 pm
Last edited by CHARIOT on Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:04 pm; edited 1 time in total

adolgonosov
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Re: New to this, but this it what I have so far...

CHARIOT wrote:

Hello. New investigator here. Smile

Hi, welcome! You have some excellent stuff here.

CHARIOT wrote:

I think we can also consider adding houses/czargrads in:

Suva, Figi
Tehran, Iran
Medellin, Colombia
Santiago, Chile
Paris, France
Prague, Czech Republic
Lisbon, Portugal
Manila, Philippines
Hong Kong, China

I wonder if any of the locations in Japan mentioned would also qualify for this list.

CHARIOT wrote:

From the 4x7 = 28 and the 7x7=49 information, we'd be looking for numerous houses spanning the world's biggest cities - Alexander Dubrovin even verbalizes this in one of his emails. It's an interesting note that the Russian "four" and "Seven" were emphasized... a hint to the result of 28 over 49 locations?

That definitely seems like a more reasonable number than 49. I didn't catch that Dubrovin mentioned this in his emails, nice find. I'll have to go through them again. I think it's clear now that these numbers will be significant somehow.

CHARIOT wrote:

1. Vera
Red, Fire, Martydom, Heart.
Vera did sacrifice herself to save her sisters in Derbent, Dagestan bombing incident, so she fits the association. We've seen visual proof via face recognition via a drone to confirm her death - thought the location of this body is unknown. Is it bombed military barracks or the underground tunnel between #3 and #4 that was hit with an airstrike? Being that the footage was dark and she was covered in structural material rather than car wreckage, I believe she perished int he airstrike. This might imply that the bombing that vilified the sisters was a lie/false document as claimed.

I definitely agree with this analysis and I too think Vera was killed in the airstrike at Alkino-2 in 2009. The documents in Alfa-Arkiv seem to point to the Derbent bombing narrative being a coerced confession in more ways than one. I think the purpose of Rhea's electroconvulsive therapy may have been to make her malleable and suggestible and unable to access large parts of her memory. Raimonda Concepcion said when the documents first surfaced a year ago, "it is her handwriting, but they are fabrications."

CHARIOT wrote:

2. Oksana
Blue, Kitsune (Fox), Sky, Eyes, Escape
Oksana escaped the bombing incident, at least that's what the report claims. Did she likewise escape the airstrike? I believe so, she did contact us from the field within the ALFA-ARKIV when she needed us to declare publicly our allegiance to Vera over twitter. And we've vids of her recruiting and making rousing speeches (some falsifed in edited videos) in what seems an outdoor or ruined area.

Also agreed. Oksana definitely seems to still be alive, and probably currently behind Vera's social media accounts given Vera's death and the AMOUNT OF MESSAGES IN CAPS. What do you mean by 'some falsified in edited videos'?

CHARIOT wrote:

3. Rhea
Green, Water/Sea, Conception, Breasts/Chest
I believe it was implied that she was impregnated and conceived at some point; either by terrorist rapists post-Dagestan, or by suitors in #3. We've seen photos now that show her with a child, presumed to be Ani.

CHARIOT wrote:

4. Ani
White, Body, Rebrirth, Lips
Born of Rhea's body, her child of currently unknown conception. Seen in photos wearing white.

This may be a stretch, but could there be a parallel between the sisters here and some of the historical Circassian women?

- Nedaxe Seteney gave birth to Gwaschemasch'e (the Origin?) after Gwasche's death.
- Rhea gave birth to Ani (the Origin?) shortly after Vera's death.
- Gwasche and Vera both "sacrificed" themselves.

Seems like there could be a parallel between:
Nedaxe -> Rhea
Gwasche -> Vera
Gwaschemasch'e -> Ani

On Vera's Pinterest board for 'IV - Conception', there is an image captioned НАДАХ (Nedaxe), who like Rhea may be associated with Water.

edit: a little addition to this parallel... the name 'Ani' means 'very beautiful' in Slavic, which could correspond with Gwaschemasch'e, whose beauty was supposed to be legendary.

CHARIOT wrote:

7. Jenya
Rusty Brown, Yellow, Yamantau, Earth, Genitalia, Sex, Filth, Confinement
This is the only one I feel unsure of. We know she was confined to the Dubai House under the curator, Kalila. She was a master manipulator with her "grace". We also know she vanished or was taken. I believe she fits Yamantau/Earth because she's dead and buried. We know her body was returned to Yamantau. I believe Jenya is the model in the THENFRIEND vid, thus why she vanished from Dubai. Jenya became the mountain and I think Rhea is intuitive enough to realize it, if not be sure of it as she spoke to it many times in your journals.

This makes a lot of sense too. It would be strange to have elements corresponding to Vera, Oksana, and Rhea, and not to have one for Jenya, and Yamantau makes the most sense. I agree that she is likely the woman in the THENFRIEND video; it would perfectly explain her disappearance.

This was great, CHARIOT, I hope you stick around!

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:33 pm

kadomony
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Welcome CHARIOT! Great insights. Just want to make note of another number mention when Rhea returns to the sleeping quarters and counts until she falls asleep. If I remember correctly, she got to 7.

A side thought: if the SRCAMB wards are genetically manufactured via Nippon Shin Eisei, I wonder if there are multiple copies of the sisters. This would be a solution for A-T confirming Rhea's death in the air strike via DNA (a disinformation plant?) but also being shown as alive in the photos.

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:01 pm

CHARIOT
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Joined: 15 Aug 2014
Posts: 7

Thanks for the welcome, guys. I'm definitely in for the duration.

Quote:

That definitely seems like a more reasonable number than 49. I didn't catch that Dubrovin mentioned this in his emails, nice find.

Sorry. I should clarify my statement. Dubrovin doesn't mention 28 or 49. What I mean't to say, what the he mentions "houses" in the nations largest cities around the world. Sorry to mislead.

Quote:

What do you mean by 'some falsified in edited videos'?

I'm indicating the videos in the Arkiv. A-T's video shows the Sisters firing on Russian convoys and Oksana ranting and sounding generally crazy, where the Sister's version of the video, they only track a passing car and speak of techniques. Oksana's speech is a little less wild and more of a pep talk. Two different spins on the same subject. Both vids are available in the Arkiv. Now... which one is true??? A-T's was marked 2010, while the Sisters vid was marked 2012. IMO, the A-T looks heavily edited.

Can anyone translate the Russian spoken in the video? I tried running it through Google Translate on my phone, but it was pretty rough. I'll continue to try.

Quote:

- Nedaxe Seteney gave birth to Gwaschemasch'e (the Origin?) after Gwasche's death.
- Rhea gave birth to Ani (the Origin?) shortly after Vera's death.
- Gwasche and Vera both "sacrificed" themselves.

Seems like there could be a parallel between:
Nedaxe -> Rhea
Gwasche -> Vera
Gwaschemasch'e -> Ani

On Vera's Pinterest board for 'IV - Conception', there is an image captioned НАДАХ (Nedaxe), who like Rhea may be associated with Water.

edit: a little addition to this parallel... the name 'Ani' means 'very beautiful' in Slavic, which could correspond with Gwaschemasch'e, whose beauty was supposed to be legendary.

Nice. I'll have to delve into the mythology surrounding this more. Thanks.

Quote:

Rhea returns to the sleeping quarters and counts until she falls asleep. If I remember correctly, she got to 7.

I can second that.

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:40 pm

CHARIOT
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Joined: 15 Aug 2014
Posts: 7

Quote:

A side thought: if the SRCAMB wards are genetically manufactured via Nippon Shin Eisei, I wonder if there are multiple copies of the sisters. This would be a solution for A-T confirming Rhea's death in the air strike via DNA (a disinformation plant?) but also being shown as alive in the photos.

The Nippon Shin Eisei vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARj7hGBmvxk) sure gives your idea a strong nod.

I wonder sometimes if they are all the same person at different stages of life (the nesting egg) and thus their belief in an all-mother source. That would give a true meaning to wanting to know the origin.

Question: I've overlooked where it's been referenced that Rhea's daughter is named Ani. Maybe it was an email I never received. Can someone confirm the source of this information, please?

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:37 pm

adolgonosov
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CHARIOT wrote:

Question: I've overlooked where it's been referenced that Rhea's daughter is named Ani. Maybe it was an email I never received. Can someone confirm the source of this information, please?

I don't think we've confirmed that this is Rhea's daughter, but the reference is from Detainee Confession 008, Page 2, in the last tier of Alfa-Arkiv.

Detainee Confession 08 wrote:

(glyph representing rebirth)

...
(pg 2)

A life named Ani will open her eyes
not to see the blue that is Sky.
She will not feel the yellow wheat
which is Earth, grain by grain,
cutting through the cracks of her fingers.
She will not taste the drops on leaves,
patting her lips, gentle waves on her tongue
and inside her Body, the Water.
She will not smell red, the smoke coiling
into her nose like promise,
for her there will be no Fire.

...
(pg 3)

When you are born, a life that is named, opens her eyes.

Only if those same eyes shall ever close,
then open once more, you will once again
be a life named, born.

The faithful colors that were yours in the old life
are yours again in the new. And you will receive your self unspoken.

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:02 pm

CHARIOT
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Joined: 15 Aug 2014
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Gotcha. See it now. Thanks.

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:07 pm

snake
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Joined: 29 Jul 2014
Posts: 11

Update
Raimonda Concepcion

I updated the app after noticing there was an update in the app store. Now Raimonda was online, and asked me "What is the first Junsui element, the one you are born possessing?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:12 pm

kadomony
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Posts: 224

Re: Update
Raimonda Concepcion

snake wrote:

I updated the app after noticing there was an update in the app store. Now Raimonda was online, and asked me "What is the first Junsui element, the one you are born possessing?

There were some messaging bugs in the last version (I never got the glyph mission one from Raimonda). Latest one has a bunch of bug fixes.

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:53 am

kadomony
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Element combinations got me thinking about this image.

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:53 pm

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