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[Trailhead] Splinternails.com 2014
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supersekretsrsly
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Re: Pre Game Show

punkbass wrote:
I've been busy this week, but I was able to have a small, cryptic correspondence with splinternails. Everything he sent me was an allusion to ClockStop the Whys. The last time he made references to Clockstop was in 2007, when he was trying to tell the players that the game hadn't started yet.

Also, looking at the times he emails me, he only emails me when it's Friday in Japan. We all know the PM is a busy guy, I think he is only making time to email us on Fridays, with the exception the week before of emailing us when we first started generating interest in the game.

Looking at splinternails.com, I suspect that the game doesn't start until October. I also think it's possible that HR was told or figured out the truth, that the game is only going to last two months this time, October and November.

With everything I got going on right now, I'm probably going to switch to lurking for a while, and wait for splinternails to return my emails. I'm a little bit afraid that all this means qu13e is going to disappear without being solved. Sad maybe if we are lucky, splinternails.com is just going to be another puzzle to help us solve qu13e.


I share your thoughts on the game starting at a later date. I've had suspicions about this for a while actually - there have been a couple of things to suggest a deeper level of planning that wouldn't agree with an end date in October. We know HR's an unreliable narrator, after all.

I've a few points to raise but not much before I wait on someone else to carry the qu13e torch and find something of real substance. Firstly, I've two main theories regarding the SHEGRIEF (6th) image on the qu13e site. Either the capital letters represent usernames, or they represent the names of Greek gods in a variety of languages (or perhaps just Greek - given enough variety). This is based entirely on the 8th line SOULIAR. While trawling LJ on the initiative of no_moon I stumbled upon an account I won't mention here for the sake of privacy with the name - not the account username - ailuros. It hit me that this was an anagram of souliar. I googled ailuros and discovered it's the Greek name for the Egyptian God Bast, which they equated to the Olympian God Artemis. I don't think this is a coincidence, the probability is extremely low. I also reaffirm the connection between this account and splinternails.

Probing further into livejournal and qu13e - it's difficult to know where the fourth wall ends. There are many leads; I wanted them to abide to my theory that the 6th image accounted for usernames. Unfortunately, they didn't. There are a number of oddities involving dates of account creation and final dates of account activity. Dates that conform to a pattern. But as humans we're pattern-seeking creatures so I can't say if I'm seeing the forest amidst the trees or Jesus in toast. It's also difficult to ascribe the nature of qu13e, I oscillate from it being a chronicle of personal tragedy to an account of events and encounters on a previous, dominantly digital life.

At this stage if I had to guess - I'd say the vampires are associated with LJ accounts in some capacity. While trawling I encountered two questions from splinternails which asked the question of where an individual was. The responses - often years beyond other posts and completely extraneous - lacked the ... tenacity that I would expect given the context and the duration of time.

In Splinternail's email it was suggested that the individual running qu13e this time round might not be the same as the one last time. Otherwise it could have implied that the rules have changed to some extent. I note that you mention Clockstop. No_moon and I have discussed pseudonyms, concluding that Mr. Eyes = Mysterious, Sparkrent = Prankster and so on. Presumably Clockstop the Whys means * the Wise. The chess theme was iterated by HR who replaced his display picture with a pawn, and posted an image of checkmate with the image description as CheQm8. I reviewed Clockstop's chess history. He played two individuals named vM8 and xM8 among others. No draws though - even reviewing people he played only one person encountered one draw and there's no signs he/she's connected.

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qeken
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reddit guys
yeah...us

Us reddit guys are pretty much clueless
Although this is mainly due to the fact that we were randomly linked to splinternails.com out of the blue
also the subreddit that it was posted on has had nowhere near enough activity for any proper investigation.
I have been the main one actually doing things
we have kind of been following you guys around a lot, although i managed to find a lot on my own.
I would love to join you here, as nothing is happening over at reddit...

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no_moon
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qeken, thanks for joining us!! Smile I did notice that the thread on reddit lost steam, but wasn't sure whether that was because things were going forward as private messages, or because there just simply wasn't any information to be shared there.

Unfortunately, as written above, we've kind of been spinning our wheels after some initial discoveries, too....

Right now I think we've kind of agreed to sit tight until we hear again from the PM with another riddle to solve. Whatever we've got really isn't enough to go on.

The latest clue has been about Clockstop the Whys, and I'm in agreement that it somehow means a pause in the game.

While we're paused, maybe we can take this as a chance to put together what isn't on the German wiki, and try to find out what happened to the English wiki. It seems there are still links remaining to it, but it's inaccessible....

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qeken
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Re: Reddit guys

Yeah there hasn't been much going on over at reddit. People are lazy there, the majority of the information on there i found by myself, which i'm sure you understand can be difficult.
one of you here created an account to check on us if i am correct, "aehtlama", which i noticed backwards is amalthea. Greek Mythology.

I did however look at HarryRoberts and i messaged him a little bit.
I didn't get much out of him. I asked him if he could tell me his connection to Qu13e, he said he could, just not at this time. When asked what time he could tell me, he replied with 'who knows...'.

However, The first time i asked him what his connection to Qu13e was, he said 'Srsly? its a super sekret"
Isn't there a supersekretsrsly around here somewhere?
Just something that caught my attention.

I find it funny that inside the image of the hand (opened up in Notepad) it clearly says OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA. lol. well we know what type of camera Splinternails owns. Also some of the images were done in Adobe Photoshop CS2. fun facts

I'm most likely wayyy behind, but oh well, i tried.

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Qeken,

i just saw your message.

I kinda lost track of this one after it was moved to Chaotic Fiction...

in any case, there IS a user by the name of SuperSekretsrsly.

I suggest you message him.
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punkbass
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Kokonotsu
The puzzle, not the number?

qeken, welcome to the party. Well... this side of the party, anyway. I was pretty impressed that you found pretty much everything we know about QU13E on your own within what seemed like an afternoon. Glad to have you with us.

I got an email from splinternails last night. I don't know if this proves my suspicion that he's a busy guy and the game hasn't officially started yet, or if it just proves that he's a busy guy and since we've kind of calmed down he can answer me within a week now. Or if he was just emailed me on a Tuesday night (Wednesday morning in Tokyo) to prove my Friday suspicion wrong.

Anyway, I sent a message suggesting that I thought that perhaps the game involved a kokonotsu puzzle. I mean, if you look at the names of the images, they all seemed so balanced, especially if you write them in the orientation they appear on the site, rather than the vertical list we usually create with them:

gsh10a aixgsh hg01as

hga01s g10sha agixsh

agsixh h01gas gs10ha

I've always thought it was rather symmetrical, each row and each column has one of each of the three permutations of the four letters, and each number. The position of the numbers is pretty symmetrical as well. I have kind of mentally referred to the three possible positions the number can be in with respect to the letters as the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd positions.

For example in g10sha, the number is in the 1st position, hg10as it's in the 2nd and hga10s it's in the 3rd. Hopefully defining this will make it easier to talk about if it ends up being important.

So I just wanted to call out, for each row there is one of each number, and one of each number position. In each column however, the position is the same for all three numbers. Hmmm... I actually just noticed that... That seems to almost stand out compared to the rest of the pattern... I wonder if there's any significance to '312'?

Anyway, if this were a kokonotsu puzzle, the goal would be to create a magic square, so that the sums of the numbers in each row, column and major diagonal are the same. So I would assume the numbers are the actual numbers in between the letters. This would give us:

10 IX 01
01 10 IX
IX 01 10

Unfortunately, it's not possible to solve a magic square with only three numbers. If you notice, every row, column, and diagonal sums up to 20 EXCEPT the major diagonal from the top left to the bottom right, which equals 30.

So what's the point in all this? I don't know. I suppose I have spend such a long time looking for the patterns, that maybe now I am trying to look for the discrepancies, maybe the answer is in those instead. Anything significant about 30? 20? 312? I don't know, maybe this isn't even where the puzzle is?

I guess one more thing... I asked the kokonotsu question from splinternails using an image. I basically whipped up a sloppy drawing of the Chinese magic square from the link I posted above, with the words characters "k-o-k-o-?-o-t-s-u" entered in the cells of the square. I asked him "does this look familiar"

splinternails wrote:

I've seen that ghost before...


I know we've speculated before about what "ghosts" meant to Random Martin. We thought it was possibly our emails. But this makes it pretty clear that his ghosts are his images...

This reminds me of the text under hga01s, which coincidentally is also the image associated with music.

QU13E wrote:

"One memory at the price of another; for to appease the shadows, one must betray the light. I asked the ghosts to paint their souls - so now I must listen to their shades."


How would you listen to the shades of an image? I wonder if there's an audio file stegged into that image...

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no_moon
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Punkbass, that was amazing. I completely agree that kokonotsu must be of importance here, and you are totally right in the way these words are configured into some kind of matrix. I didn't really see it before!

I also notice now that once you remove the numbers, the remaining letters are actually all the same (shag) although of what importance that is.... I am not sure yet.... I will think about this. It might be those remaining letters are actually the key to the orientation of the numbers, or an addition to the numbers that would make them make sense.

I feel this is the first REAL progress we have made with this puzzle in days! Ghosts should be images yes, images that recall memories... apparitions....

Listening to a shade implies synasthesia, the confusion of one sense with another (again Nabokovian...). While it's possible a stegged audio file is in there... maybe. Might be a good idea to look.

Also your idea of kokonotsu might be related to scramble squares? I found this for some suggestions on how to solve:
http://users.wfu.edu/masonsk/scramblesquares.pdf

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supersekretsrsly
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Good stuff PB.

As far as I can see, if ghosts are images the names refer to the muses (at least for the initial 9 images), their secrets are revealed on the completion of puzzles and these secrets hold the key to unlocking - and solving - qu13e. This is based on an old email of Melpomene's:

Quote:
Unremember do we, the answer to your enQu13ery. All ghosts here have a name, and their names keep secrets, and their secrets hold the key. If you're looking for someone, before the at their lock will free...


Perhaps there would be value in working backwards from what was known and how it was known. How did those playing back in 2008 know to contact Melpomene? Melpomene sought an answer to this too, the nature of the initiation of contact. Perhaps this enquiry pertained to random emails to all muses and to a selection of a specific muse based on some criteria. In the latter case, this criteria may be what we're looking for. My last response from splinternails was over a week ago; among its contents was the phrase "another ghost has possessed the host." In light of what you've said, this could account for why Melpomene no longer responds. So it could be that another of the nine muses will respond. Alternatively, the other nine images revealed by piecing fragments together could have names associated with them.

With regards to the kokonotsu puzzle, you've clearly identified a pattern that is too specific for coincidence. I'm not sure if it will be relevant at this point in time, but assuming we get anywhere it looks like it could be the key to solving a wider mystery. Alternatively, it could just be a hint towards piecing together the nine fragmented images but this seems a little unnecessary given that they're somewhat obvious.

On another note, the 9 fragmented images have a number sequence of sorts. The exact sequence is 00 01 03 05 07 09 11 13 15. It's odd that it would skip a number given that the letter sequence is ABCDEFGHI. Reminds me of "between the echoes that you'll find me".

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no_moon
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I thought a lot about the ghosts last night, and the thing that Punkbass said about the line that doesn't add up in the square.... I read an article about those magic square thingies, and it had a lengthy explanation about the middle number being a key to solving the whole puzzle. So I went back to the middle picture.

Ghosts are also spirits. There is a line in the middle of that poem, "canspiritsee," which I note can be an anagram for "canister spies." This cannot be a coincidence. (It left me wondering if this phrase can be found in other parts of the puzzle.)

I thought again about what else that could be, because obviously if we need a secret key to a secret door.... Or if we need a ghost's name that keeps secrets, which hold the key....

Solving for that anagram, I came up with "secret is pain."

Maybe I'm totally off-base, but I wonder if that is important somehow.

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Hi, just letting it be known I am here/returned. I have never stopped searching, just silently poking around quiet corners of the internet. It is so good to see new life breathed in to old ghosts.

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no_moon
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Rika, it's a great comfort to hear that you're lurking (and now posting!). I had read your posts in the previous threads and your findings were pretty awesome. Also, I really appreciate that you speak Japanese... now there are two of us. Smile

Old ghosts indeed. I'm waiting for a reply from splinternails right now, but I should mention that he said the confusion of color and sound is indeed meant to be synathesia and splinternails has it. Hopefully later I'll be able to share further information on what that means.

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qeken
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I emailed qu13eSPLATqu13e.com, asking about the vampires song.

Me: what is the purpose of the song, Vampires. Is it important?
Can i have a clue about anything?
Qu13e: "A song by any other name would sound as sweet. Or sinister. But a song is
just a song. Music for the masked masses."

Observations/thoughts:
The first sentence is a variation of a line from Romeo and Juliet "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Probably nothing.

"Masked masses", a Google search came up with nothing of importance to me, except for one thing which was about groups of people in Japan wearing masks over their mouths, due to diseases.
Only other music related result was a song by The Blockheads.
once again, i apologise if i am behind.

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Canister Spies

no_moon, wow. That canspiritsee find is great! Melpomene always said 1 + 2 = 3, and we always looked at the image that had "Iriguchi" on the column and the picture of the bicycle, but I wonder if it referred to this middle image? the name of the image is g10sha and Iriguchi is in the image.

Also, looking at the Canister Spies image, h01gas (hydrogen gas? Nah, probably coincidental), in notepad, the structure of the image is completely different from the other ones. I'm pretty sure there is something saved in that image. I'm not saying it's hidden with JPHide. But I'm not saying it's not, either.

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Let me preface this by saying I have no answers, only speculation, and I have not yet caught up on this latest incarnation of the qu13iverse. This may run long Very Happy

My working theory is that the third word that is not a word is 911, or something very close. I believe this because:
--when I explored that direction of thought, Melpomene died. I think it triggered the next stage, but I have never discovered what comes next.
--one response from Melpomene was "But there's a sound that rings somewhat familiar." Could be a telephone reference, such as 911.
--one response from Melpomene was "In a word, yes and no; not 109, but closer than one might guess…" 911 is very close to 109.
--agsIXh = ags09h g10sha hg01as that is 911
--from the whois page for qu13e.com Registrant City: OBOENAI
Registrant State/Province: IX
Registrant Postal Code: 1101
Oboenai 91101. Unremember September 11th 2001.
-- the image with the building, the stick people, I believe to be 9/11.

I believe this is not a game. There is no linear progression, but a system of tendrils that spreads across layers and years. I have found ghosts of splinternails dating back to 2002. This is an art installation, a communication method, a social experiment perhaps. There are no coincidences. That being said, not every tendril leads to a clear cut answer.

I believe it is correct that it is not in our best interest to share everything.

The current splinternails page has been live since at least May.

Oh, and I don't speak Japanese. I just google a lot.

And I am so deeply pleased that there's activity again. I have notebooks full of thoughts and puzzle attempts. Now I need to catch up on everything y'all have accomplished when I wasn't looking.

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no_moon
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canister spies

That "canister spies" picture has always really bothered me. Not quite enough zodiac sign, not quite enough vodou, and the blurring.... It makes it seem like the purpose of that image is to confuse you into thinking the symbols mean something when it's the image itself, or the words below it, that are significant.

Punkbass, your observation was a great one. I do really wonder if there is something stegged or hidden in there. It would also make sense because of the title-- "spies"-- like they are secreting away hidden information.

I do suppose the g10sha iriguchi being in the middle makes total sense, and we were looking in all the wrong places for what was smack dab where a door should be-- in its frame.

The question now is, if 1+2=3 what is the 3? There may be more anagrams and hints in that poem. I will take a look to see if I can find anything else of merit.

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I have found ghosts of splinternails dating back to 2002.

Rika, splinternails was around as early as 2001, but did not leave lj to become a website presence until 2002. I can say that with some good degree of accuracy.

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