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katbee
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Just wanted to say great work you guys on the solves so far - unfortunately I haven't got anything new to add and I'm at a bit of loss.

I was a bit confused as to why 'mythology' was the keyword for the cipher solution? It keeps making me go back to the whole minotaur/theseus labyrinth myth, but I don't think that's getting me anywhere.

A very tenuous link with regard to 'mushroom' - John M Allegro wrote a controversial book called 'The sacred mushroom and the cross'. Allegro was a Dead Sea Scrolls scholar and according to Wiki it was his recommendation that the Copper Scroll be cut into sections.

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booba
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Non viderem quid esset in conspectu meo.
They all have nineteen letters..

Bang Head After a new post https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/hidden/
the little one watt bulb lit up

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aroomthathasnodoors is the one-time pad key for acopkkpnmohsfbrslzl
And the answer is "A labyrinth has no exit…"


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:34 am
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janetbreenjamfestival
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Ah! In that case (combining both cipher answers) are we looking for something hidden in a labyrinth?

- Minotaur comes to mind but I can't find a related url.
- Apparently there is a labyrinth under the ground in Egypt where some believe is the fabled 'Hall of Records' which holds artefacts from and knowledge of ancient cultures.
- I was reading more about the Bolshoi Zayatsky labyrinths I mentioned before and I noticed a similarity between the idea of travel between this world and the next within labyrinths, and the sort of portals Alexa has been dealing with.
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Archaeologist A.L. Nikitin suggests that labyrinths, as indicated in legends, point the way to the 'entrances' and 'exits' of a subterranean kingdom which could be opened only by those who knew the 'magic key' to this back door.

(http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/ancient-stone-labyrinths-bolshoi-zayatsky-001573)

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janetbreenjamfestival
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New email from Alexa and two new posts from Daphne!

Haven't been able to work out the cipher in the second post down yet, but the answer to the Type post is
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either CLASSICAL or CRETAN


Have I forgotten something - what's the relevance of '1975' in the second post down?

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Billy Brown
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We seem to have stalled a little! Apologies for not pitching in much recently; I've been away with work a few times in quick succession.

I've been taking a look at 'oxnyjcwpfblbqn' from the title of Daphne's most recent blog post but I haven't got anywhere. As janetbreenjamfestival mentions, I assume the 1975 mention is relevant (to something, not necessarily the title cipher).

I also noticed that the title of Alexa's last email was 'forwards and backwards' so maybe that's a further clue? I'm not sure; I'm pretty stumped at this point. Maybe I'll try dropping one or both of them a line to see if I can get some further information or at least a healthy nudge in the right direction.

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booba
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New word search up! Might shed so light on that little text cipher.
https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/

Knight and king pop out, sort of a chess flavor...

Edit to add:
Rook
pawn
bishop

So a "win for white" would be "checkmate" ? No help on oxnyjcwpfblbqn so far....

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amandel
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Booba:Bril ciphering & google-fu! Also, there are multiple updates incl. findme with a msg relating to and/or intended for those who chose the "finance" expertize.

ETA: Daphne's UPDATE ends with the french phrase "m'aidez" which is the origin of the international word Mayday. Cyas...
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CCS
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Hello everyone. I have been following, lurking, puzzling on this, but not posting until now. I am "Ethan" on the roster.

I have the feeling that we are not moving forward quickly enough. Specifically, it seems that we are getting many clues, and not solving very much lately. That might be intentional ... The game may be slow to get started. But now, it's "our move."

I don't have any answers. I just want to be sure we know what we're trying to solve.

1. The encryption key. If I understand correctly, according to Daphne, we are still working on "training" puzzles, and don't yet have enough information to solve the encryption key. But as the game seems to have progressed to a "Alexa in peril" phase, is that still true?

2. Labyrinth. I think there's still some question whether we have solved all of the labyrinth clues. For example "oxnyjcwpfblbqn" ... And the clue that we know the end, the end truly is. I tried using the "type" diagram to draw a labyrinth over the letter grid, got nothing.

3. Chess. There are numerous references and clues to chess. I'm not a chess guy, but I've tried various approaches and come up with nothing. The wordsearch is chess related, but I have only found the pieces. I tried thinking about the puzzle as a board, words/letters arranged as chess moves, etc. there is the clue that the copper scroll has 64 locations (like a chess board). Win for white suggests that we start the game ... And now we have been told to make the first move. (Win for white also can be annotated as "(1-0)", I'm not sure how that fits anywhere.)

The correct first move for white is e4 ... Not sure how that helps, though.

4. What next? Should we be sending more email to Daphne or Alexa? (Are people doing that? Do they respond?) has anyone received a "training packet" from Daphne, as promised? What about that comm screen under the finance icon on the new page? Can we communicate with it? Can the finance searchers communicate? I would vote for e4 as an opening move.

Sorry for going on so long. Anyone else have an idea for where to go from here?

Edit: I hope my tone didn't offend. I did not mean to suggest that anyone is less than diligent. I also did not mean to suggest that I know anything more about chess than I learned from googling "white wins." I just wanted to know whether there is something more we can do. It seems, for example, that there is an active twitter component of this game that I was missing completely. Anyway, please don't assume I was being critical -- I have the highest regard and respect for the people on this board and their amazing abilities. Thanks.

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CCS wrote:
...The correct first move for white is e4 ... Not sure how that helps, though...

I'd posit that 'd4'is a more strategic opening when one is uncertain of an opponent's strength, game-style etc. 'tho that may be irrelevant. Re your long post and the "not solving very much lately" comment my belief is that we have all been working & posting diligently.
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ads123
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CCS wrote:
there is the clue that the copper scroll has 64 locations (like a chess board).


I had actually contacted Alexa about that earlier (specifically because it was mentioned there was a link in one of her updates). She replied seeming to confirm this idea mentioning that based on events that have recently happened it made a lot of sense. I didn't post in here because it wasn't that significant.

As for the find me challenge, it could be a reference to the Bloomberg terminal?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:11 am
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booba
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New post with the second half of the word/search cipher challenge:
https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/


dprulrridwszrmtgwmvydwxovtgnosvtq

qnsrrfimrgoiyqnoijjrhuriksbertuijuhuyrw

kvsbfcysjghbfbuoihvkehvoswgrfdcbbbwqyhoxuvocrbwxksfojhwxxvwckcfi

cqyhdemmtpgwpx

dumqubqubsvoovaaunchirhfyaoioxcfxolvof

xncvhojynalnln


Edit to add a solve:

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It's a Vigenére with a different chess piece solve for each line.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:20 am
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that generic ginger
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 Daphne's Strategy Post
A New Set Of Doors...

Hey Guys! Well done booba for finding the key! I have just written a load of my ideas here, most of them you probably couldn't even called ideas, more like hunches or guesses, but they are just starting points! I apologize in advance for just rambling, but anyways...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Each line requires a different key:
king
queen
rook
bishop
knight


Here is a quick solve...

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the object of the game is to kill the king
at one point you may offer an exchange of queens
the rook is stronger than the bishop or knight and has an interesting history
big apple bishop
the knight move is unusual among chess pieces
ing is only a pawn


...and my thought on each bit.

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1) This could mean a lot of things but it is not referring to chess, the aim of chess is to capture, not kill, the king. However backtracking an bit, to Daphne's 'oxnyjcwpfblbqn' post she refers to the year 1975, which is the year in which King Faisal was assassinated, which geographically fits together with the theme of the Dead Sea Scrolls as a lot of modern day Saudi Arabia was part of Greater Israel's Borders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_of_Saudi_Arabia

2) An Exchange is an idea in chess in which a player sacrifices a piece in order to capture a piece that is more important or powerful, an exchange of queens therefore is sacrificing your own queen for the sake of capturing your opponents. However I have no idea what this means in the grad scheme of things, I think that with all these clues we are moving away from chess but I have no clue what the relevance of this is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_%28chess%29

3)The Rook has always been stronger than the knight or bishop and until about the 15th century was the strongest piece overall! In terms of history, the word rook has always been associated with chess in the English language, mainly because the word came from the Persian 'rokh' meaning 'chariot.' The name of the piece can also be translated as: Tower, Ship Fortress or Castle from different languages but I don't know if this is helpful or not...

http://www.shakki.net/kerhot/KemTS/nap-pieces.htm#T

4)This one I guess is referring to the catholic bishop of New York City, but which one! If it is the current archbishop, that would be Timothy M. Dolan, but with these things, I don't think it is that easy!

5)This could mean a lot of things and to be honest I have no clue, however it could refer to the obvious fact that the knight is able to jump over other pieces. However grammatically, knight is only singular: the knight move, not 'knight's move' so it is very possible that it is something else entirely...

6) With this, I do not think it is a clue, more of a story thing, however that means we are left with no clue related to a pawn and only five pieces. Combining this with the knowledge we got yesterday with the eight pieces from Alexa (On the back row of a chess board there are: rook x2, knight x2, bishop x2, queen x1 and king x1) I think there is a chance we are looking for eight solutions (names) in line with the clues i.e. maybe we should be able to find two solutions from the rook clue (3) e.t.c


Thanks for reading all of my ramblings and I really hope there is some sense i there some where! I look forward to hearing what you guys think...

And as I said before I think we should be looking for 8 solutions to this, probably even ones that fit the roles of chess pieces i.e. king, queen, kinghts e.t.s but this could be wrong...

Thanks again,
Thomas Very Happy

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Billy Brown
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We seem to be at something of an impasse, with Daphne trying to nudge us along as best she can. I thought it might be useful to go over some recent posts and see what might be of significance that we haven't necessarily used or solved yet. I've started with the recent posts at Street Urchin Rainflower and will do the same for Alexa's emails and the updates at The Searchers.

Apologies for the length of this but I thought it might help us get back on track or spark a new idea or two among one/some of us.

Anyway, here are my thoughts on Daphne's recent posts:

Hidden: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/hidden/
This includes some flavour for the game, plus it gave us a nudge towards the key for one of the labyrynth-related text strings. What I don't know the significance of, though, is the single 'A' after Daphne's sign-off. This, combined with the title of the blog post ('Hidden'), makes me think there might be more to find in this post.

oxnyjcwpfblbqn: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/oxnyjcwpfblbqn/
1. We haven't solved the code in the title of the blog post -- I've had a look at it but am stumped.
2. This passage:

Quote:
The history of our search has a beginning, but it's a little difficult to pinpoint. Could it be more than one hundred years ago? 1975? A more recent date? Or does it go back even further? Do we measure the beginning by looking at technology or access? Utility or connectivity?

Although the beginning is hard to pinpoint, the ending is not.


The language used here makes me wonder if this is connected to our nudge towards the Wikipedia page for the World Wide Web. Perhaps we're looking for a specific year or date? If so, could it be the key for decoding the title of the post via a Gronsfeld cipher or similar?

The final sentence in that passage seems like a pointed nudge towards finding a specific date/year, especially as Daphne goes on to repeat this sentiment twice more before closing the post. But what is the 'end' in this instance?

The mention of 1975 sticks out like a sore thumb here. Given the reference to technology / access / connectivity I think this could well be a nod to Microsoft, which was established in April 1975. Having put that together in my head as I've been writing this post, I'm now pretty confident this is a road we need to go down.

In addition, the recent refresh of The Searchers has eight icons along the home page, each representing one of our possible chosen categories in the following order: Finance, Art, Film, Cryptography, Music, Zoology, Vampires, Photography. The link to the new clue (blinking cursor on a computer screen) seems to have been filed under Finance, which is interesting and possibly relevant. Either way, I think this gif of a computer screen is a further nudge that we need to make progress with this particular puzzle next.

Type: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/type/
As others have rightly pointed out, this is an image of a 'classical' labyrynth, sometimes also referred to as a 'Cretan' labyrinth. This has been confirmed by one of the resources Daphne recently posted. But what do we do with this information? I've tried both of those as keys for the still-to-be-solved bits and pieces we have but I've got nowhere. What's the significance of this for us?

Win For White: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/win-for-white/
This is the wordsearch we requested. References to chess pieces have been found and that seems to tie in to where the story is going given Alexa's recent updates. Are we confident that's all we needed from this post? I would lean towards 'yes' but thought I'd mention it just in case.

Going, going...: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/going-going/
Not a great deal to go off here as far as I can see. I see this more of a rallying cry than anything but then the talk of an ancient sacrifice is certainly interesting. As pointed out, m'aidez is the original French for Mayday.

Training update: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/training-update/
This was the clarification post to let us know that we can't crack the encryption key yet and to give us other relevant guidance. We get confirmation that the wordsearch was the first part of our requested puzzle and that the cipher text would follow. Daphne made a point to remind us that "the training puzzles are both for training... and to provide clues to the larger context of your purpose as Searchers".

Resources: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/resources/
Two links to sites that should help us, both seemingly related to the labyrinth-based puzzles we were given on The Searchers. As mentioned earlier, it feels like we have the answer to the first one (classical/Cretan labyrinth) but no real clue of how/where to apply it.

The second resource (the World Wide Web page on Wikipedia) seems to tie into the earlier post that mentions 1975, etc.

Strategy: https://streeturchinrainflower.wordpress.com/2015/04/27/strategy/
Seemingly the second part of our requested puzzle. Solved (see posts above) and tied in to the chess theme. Tells us that while Ing is our current goal, he's not the final destination. I'm sure there's more to be taken from here too.

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Billy Brown
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Alexa's latest tweets are asking where she should head next, presumably within New York with the purpose of finding one of the 'pieces'.

I've suggested St Patrick's Cathedral off the back of the 'big apple bishop' line. An earlier tweet also said that her coffee cup had 'follow the money' written on it, so I've also followed my leap of faith with the 1975/Microsoft connection and suggested the Microsoft offices on Times Square.

I'm not overly confident in either suggestion! Any better ideas?

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amandel
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Not a beter idea per se yet I just saw Alexa's "follow the money" tweet & tweeted that she shd try Grant's Tomb on Riverside Dr. b/c he is the face on the USD 50.

ETA: Maybe "ing is only a pawn" isn't exactly inconsequential when thinking about this game, the mysteries surrounding Ing and about Pawn Promotion?
Quote:
Should a pawn manage to make it all the way to the other end of the board, that pawn must promote to any piece its owner wants, other than a king.

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