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Re: Cracked

[DHawk314]

I'm totally skeptical of this "totheark is secretly alive" thing. Yes, there's some cryptic messages on this site, but we do not know the IG pertinence of this site; it might just be an OOG build up/marketing thing. And as for the literal cryptic videos, well, they're all definitely from OOG sources. I'll believe totheark is literally posting videos to Troy Wagner's channel before I buy that he's alive.

[wassupbro]

[Ascalondion]

I guess he thinks of the THAC behind the scenes video, that is also the teaser for the new series. And yes, it's strange, since it is a TTA-style video, but on a THAC related video. It is more likely to be an OOG video than a IG video.

But let me talk about that later, because I want to say some things about TTA being "alive".
I understand your skepticism towards TTA being "back", but as I see it, it comes from a very specific assumption that I will call the Brian-Thesis:

B: Brian, who is also known as Hoody, is the one and only person to operate under the pseudonym of totheark.

Compare that to another assumption that I call the Group-Thesis:

G: There are/were at least two people that over the years operated under the pseudonym of totheark.

They obviously exclude each other, but a number of theories about the nature of TTA is compatible with either one them, or even both. See for example E1: "Brian was involved in TTA since the beginning and even recorded the footage of »Exit.«" If you assume that B is true, then E1 is certainly also true. But even if you assume that G is true, it still is compatible with the truth of E1, because it does not exclude that other worked with Brian to create the TTA videos. One very likely partner in crime for that would be Tim/Masky. Jay even states at one point of the series that he suspects TTA to be multiple people. And we also have OOG statements that hint towards the scrambled idea of Skully and/or Jay having a masked state too.

So, while it almost impossible to deny that Brian was part of TTA, it is a whole other thing to assume the truth of B. Brian being a part of TTA is however compatible with G. And, what is also compatible with G is the thesis that now another member TTA became active and messes with marblehornets.com. So you can safely assume that Brian was TTA, further assume that Brian is dead, and even then still support the thesis that TTA is back. That is, if and only if you assume that B is false and therefore, that G is true.
For all we know at the moment, this new series could even center around TTA, a mysterious group of people that Brian was a part of, but then split off because of the shenanigans with TO and Alex he had. This way we may gain a better understanding of the recurrent water motif that is related to TTA, and therefore not only find out what is going on now, but maybe even solve some of the smaller riddles that are still open from MH.

That, of course, is pure speculation (and wishful thinking) by me. If fact, we know so little at the moment, that a bunch of whole other theories might be true as well. This new video could even be made by a "impostor" TTA. Not that someone is actually claims to be TTA, but this videos and hints could be placed by a person that knew TTA and MH. The series hints that Tim (and probably Alex too) followed the youtube channel. They also saw TTA videos. So another person that now is involved with what is going on would probably have seen those videos too, and voluntarily create those hints to resemble TTA. Why, I do not know. To taunt us or someone? To To make fun of us or someone? To help us? Is it a cry for help? ((Someone mentioned the idea that, because the .gif is labeled "thewaterisdeep" and being "in deep water" means being in trouble, that this whole thing atm. could be some sort of SOS sign, a cry for help to the MH-community, that is styled this way so that the creator of those hints doesn't expose himself to a higher threat by spelling crucial information out.))

All in all, we know next to nothing. The only thing we can safely assume is that Brian did not do any of this. But we do not know if either a older TTA member is back to work, a new person taking up the banner of TTA, or even is some for completely differenty reasons makes videos and hints in the same style. But, you know, everything is fine.

[wassupbro]

If it was totheark or if someone who used tothearks channel during marble hornets, then that would be really stupid in my opinion because totheark's purpose was for communicating with the MH characters about the situation. The situation ultimately being the operator.

Why would totheark give two shits about whatever this is, unless it is about the operator?

And since we know this series isn't going to be centered off of that (if it was, its not really mysterious now that we know a good amount about the being), i think its safe to assume totheark (the people/persons behind the channel) is not doing this.

[DHawk314]

Well, if this turns out to be Tim's masky doing that'd be interesting, but something about it just seems a little hard to believe. For one thing it gives more clarity about Tim's final fate than I see being given. Also, although I'm capable of thinking of the alternative scenario, it practically requires Tim's involvement in the new series, and they said none of the three of them would be involved. As for there possibly being other members besides Tim and Brian, that's what I'm actually skeptical about. Not because I'm somehow insistent that it must be Brian and only Brian, but because any attempt to insert extra characters into the Marble Hornets plot as an extra totheark just sounds made up to me.

Second off, I agree that your description of totheark is wishful thinking. The idea that Brian was part of some water-motif/cryptic message entangled organization, completely separate from Operator shenanigans, and then split off after 51 or something strikes me as fairly incongruous. For one thing Alex does cryptic message shit on those papers too, so I'm pretty sure that's some kind of Operator hallmark. Also, why would Brian be part of that? I've basically bought the idea that he was normal until the Operator got to him. Sure that could be wrong, or maybe totheark as a larger group isn't as weird as I'm assuming for reasons explained later, but this reaches a point of complexity where, for me anyway, it starts to sound made up.

Of course my ideas also present a problem: if the Operator is the cause of cryptic bullshit, and this series doesn't revolve around him, then why is there cryptic bullshit now? I have many possibilities straddling the recesses of my mind.

1) This is all a bunch of OOG marketing shit. I remember right before season 3 came out there was some cryptic encoded stuff on Troy's blog building up to the season, but I didnt think that totheark had hacked it. Now, I don't believe this now that all this D Scott shit has come out, but the fact that we still don't know makes a contribution to my general skepticism.
2) The Operator isn't central to the story, but D Scott or whoever has been targeted, and he will have some non-central role in the story.
3) There's some other force related to the Operator, or at least related to whatever the Operator gave totheark mental access to, for whatever reason, and the story has to do with that. This is my spontaneously preferred theory, but I recognize that that's a personal bias.

Now I see a counter argument to mine: if there's some other force causing cryptic shit then why can't Brian have been a part of it before he met Alex? But doesn't that seem way coincidental, that he would be part of this and then just happen to meet Tim and Alex? Once again, the complexity is too much for it not to perk my skepticism.

[awakeasaurusrex]

Y'all reaching as far as I'm concerned. THAC have repeatedly said that the new series is going to be its own thing with only the Marble Hornets channel and associated web presence in common due to the sheer audience reach those accounts have compared to the main THAC account. Different stories, different continuities, and trying to bend over backwards to find plot features or characters in common is a waste of energy.

[DHawk314]

You're wrong. Yes, they've said that their main motivation for putting it on the channel is viewership, but they said recently it would be the same universe too, albeit not revolving around the Operator and starring different characters. So they're not different continuities. In addition, the two series clearly have a butt ton of motifs in common, so I don't see how this speculation is unfounded.

Of course it's distinctly possible that, even in a shared continuity, distortion and cryptic messages and water and "marblehornets.com" is all just a coincidence born from THAC liking that kinda shit, but that isn't confirmed.

[nyc_jester]

Could the numbers be a phone number with an extension?

1 (412) 232-0865 Ext. 5

That would be a number in Pittsburgh. It shows up as a landline if you search it, so if it's a business it could possibly have an extension that would maybe take you to D. Scott? I haven't had a chance to call it yet.

EDIT: So, it looks like I'm not alone in my thinking. Right now "D Scott" is the 8th most popular search at whitepages.com for Pittsburgh.

[Vincent]

Regarding "D. Scott"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._Scott_Rogo

He was a parapsychologist (someone who studies paranormal oddities) who was murdered by an unknown killer in 1990 at the age of 40. Last seen on August 14, found dead August 16.

I doubt this is the same guy, but it might be some kind of inspiration into who the "D. Scott" who sent the emails.

[wassupbro]

[Vincent]

Tim, Troy and Joseph won't be playing in the new series, revealed during one of their livestreams.

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