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Pictishwitch
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Re: Callum Felderi
Brainstorming

Shad0 wrote:

[sic] wrote:

I have realized that we still have the Edward Nigma page, which the Agency has largely ignored.

I tried to drop Callum that hint in my dreadful poems on LittleDoveFelderi, but the only response was Lucy basically telling us that we should knock it off with the codes -- because the Agency could break them too -- and that Callum wasn't going to be responding to us in any way. (But that he was still reading, even if not responding, so we needed to figure out a way to get information to him without the Agency interfering. Back to Square One.)

Also, someone is being deliberately insulting to Lucy on ~lucylime.

If Lucy is the one who writes in all-caps, who is the person who left the Einstein URL? Callum?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:25 am

Shad0
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Re: Callum Felderi
Brainstorming

Pictishwitch wrote:

If Lucy is the one who writes in all-caps, who is the person who left the Einstein URL? Callum?

Oh, I assumed that was Lucy, breaking her usual rule to write in lowercase because the URL wouldn't work otherwise. Hadn't even occurred to me that it might be someone else. Embarassed

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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:33 am

Pictishwitch
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Re: Callum Felderi
Brainstorming

Shad0 wrote:

Pictishwitch wrote:

If Lucy is the one who writes in all-caps, who is the person who left the Einstein URL? Callum?

Oh, I assumed that was Lucy, breaking her usual rule to write in lowercase because the URL wouldn't work otherwise. Hadn't even occurred to me that it might be someone else. Embarassed

It's entirely possible that it was Lucy, and I'm just being suspicious. Wink

I've already posted quite a bit about the random esoteric & spy stuff I've learned about Milton Keynes, so I'm not going to reiterate it here, though I think it might be relevant.

I went back to the "Learning Knowledge" puzzle, because we never completed it, and I have some thoughts. There was an extra letter in the scrolling cipher solve - a letter H, which was deliberately separate, and I don't think it was a PM mistake. Given the Scrabble letters in the video, I checked the value of H, then Googled H4. One of the hits was the fact that H4 is Dansteed Way in Milton Keynes. The town is laid out in a grid system of H roads and V roads. The Scrabble value of V is also 4; V4 is Watling Street. The Crownhill Crematorim is at the intersection of Dansteed and Watling, and features a stained glass window (part of the whole MK Public Art thing) called "Aqua" by Julian Stocks: http://www.julianstocks.com/glass_nav.htm#

Of course, the above might also be coincidence, and the H is a hint that the "curse the cause..." quote is from Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part I - which also features England's oldest rose (York), Joan of Arc, and Sir William Lucy. Also, in addition to "Squeamish Ossifrage" referring to the RSA cipher, I have also learned that there is a pseudo random number generator called Fortuna.

Maybe Dagada should show up at the giant granite sculpture in front of MKC wearing a white rose, carrying a tome o'Shakespeare, and a Scrabble game... Confused

Edited to add: Seriously, though, the meeting is this Saturday. Dagada, do you have any long-distance video capability in your personal technology arsenal?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:57 am

[sic]
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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Brainstorming

Shad0 wrote:

Ah, ok. Then we may have to go for a practical approach? Maybe Dagada could simply hold up a sign with a picture of a dove like this and stand in the center of the station like if he were waiting to pick someone up at the airport. [Alternatively, he could wave around a bar of Dove soap, but that might garnish more looks than necessary lol]. Callum could pick this up quick and easy, but so would the Agency. So, to be sure the he's talking to Callum and not an impostor, we could come up with a required question and answer upon meeting. Something along the lines of Q: What are the magic words? A: Squeamish Ossifage. or Q: What is Lucy's sweet name? A: Kitty. Using the latter question set might be more advantageous because Callum will already know this information and we wouldn't need to try to prepare him for this beforehand.

If you guys like the idea, then we can start strategising plans to control for as many variables as possible, such as: What happens if an Agency impostor doesn't answer correctly? What happens if an Agency impostor tries to walk into the conversation between Dagada and Callum? How in the world are we suppose to help monitor all this from another continent???? etc. But this is only one idea. Still brainstorming....

Since the Agency already knows about the details of the meeting place and time, we may need to bite the bullet and tell Callum upfront that the meeting is still on. The Agency's going to be there anyway.

Shad0 wrote:

Also, someone is being deliberately insulting to Lucy on ~lucylime.

I saw this, and had thought it was someone from the Agency, but I guess not Neutral

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:14 pm

Pictishwitch
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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Brainstorming

[sic] wrote:

I like the sign idea and that image, but I think we should also add the more recognizable peace image to the dove, or even just add the word "Peace", on the off chance that the Agency might then think Dagada is just some hippie (got any tie dye shirts?), and ignore him - at least at first.

[sic] wrote:

Callum could pick this up quick and easy, but so would the Agency. So, to be sure the he's talking to Callum and not an impostor, we could come up with a required question and answer upon meeting. Something along the lines of Q: What are the magic words? A: Squeamish Ossifage. or Q: What is Lucy's sweet name? A: Kitty. Using the latter question set might be more advantageous because Callum will already know this information and we wouldn't need to try to prepare him for this beforehand.

I like the squeamish ossifrage thing, but the Agency probably knows Lucy's sweet name. Maybe Lucy would be willing to help us with another Callum-only question.

[sic] wrote:

Since the Agency already knows about the details of the meeting place and time, we may need to bite the bullet and tell Callum upfront that the meeting is still on. The Agency's going to be there anyway.

Therein lies the crux of our problem. We have no way to contact Callum - at least no way that we have figured out. I really think we've missed something in an earlier puzzle that would guide us - something in the "Learning Knowledge" video puzzle. I've already contacted an old MIT friend, and asked him to take a look at it . Do any of you have some friends who could apply fresh brains (heh) to the problem?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:23 pm

Shad0
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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Brainstorming

Significant updates on LittleDoveCallum. Our Agency contact has identified him(?)self as "the main communications officer here," and given us the callsign ZARAFA. Given our prior astronomical connections, I am inclined to assume this refers to the constellation Camelopardalis the Giraffe (which, incidentally, is next to Draco the Dragon). Zarafa is "eager" to meet us -- presumably on Saturday -- because "we could have something to offer each other?"

Bit of an update on ~lucylime as well:

[sic] wrote:

Shad0 wrote:

Also, someone is being deliberately insulting to Lucy on ~lucylime.

I saw this, and had thought it was someone from the Agency, but I guess not Neutral

Whoever it is, Lucy is now snarking right back at him/her. Heh. Mr. Green

Now, regarding Saturday...

Pictishwitch wrote:

Maybe Lucy would be willing to help us with another Callum-only question.

Lucy previously indicated that she was going to be meditating for the next five days, which would have meant no contact before Saturday. She seems to have deleted that message, however, possibly in response to whoever posted "Enjoy yourself. We'll sit here and breathe through our mouths until then..."

Pictishwitch wrote:

[sic] wrote:

Therein lies the crux of our problem. We have no way to contact Callum - at least no way that we have figured out.

I am not certain this is true. Lucy said: "for your safety the dove might not be writing. Of course, they may still be reading - but also the dovecote owner as well." I interpret the dove as Callum and the dovecote owner as the Agency. If I'm correct, that means we can probably continue to communicate with Callum by leaving messages in the usual places... but we should not expect any response from him.

Pictishwitch wrote:

I really think we've missed something in an earlier puzzle that would guide us - something in the "Learning Knowledge" video puzzle.

While I heartily agree that we have not yet gleaned all (or even most) of the knowledge from that video, I can't help feeling that it is unrelated to Saturday's meetup. Remember, that meetup was our idea originally, and it was not suggested to Callum until after Lucy sent out her video.

For what it's worth, I still think this is not a "puzzle" with a "solution" per se. I think our task is simply to come up with a good way to handle the unknown situation Dagada will face on Saturday. So here are a couple of issues that I think we need to consider/decide for ourselves in order to determine a strategy.

First and foremost, what do we want to accomplish? Originally Dagada was just going to meet up with Callum for a bit of friendship, maybe a bit of comfort. The stakes were raised (possibly) when Callum said he couldn't but then secretly said he could, indicating that his "no" was purely for the Agency's benefit. Did Callum intend to try communicating something to us without the Agency's knowledge? If so, is that now impossible? In fact, given the Agency's knowledge and Callum's fear, is Callum even planning to be there at all? If not, do we want to try to persuade him?

And what about the Agency, anyway? We know at least one Agent will be there hoping to meet us, possibly Zarafa. Is this something we want to avoid... or encourage? Elsewhere it has been suggested that we might want to try getting information directly from the Agency, or even try to be recruited. It has also been suggested that we might want to reconsider whether the Agency is the "bad guy" here. And Zarafa is now suggesting outright cooperation/exchange of... well, exchange of something. I wouldn't be so quick to discount the possible utility of direct communication.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Dagada using an obvious approach to identify himself, such as the "dove" sign/peace symbol that [sic] and Pictishwitch mentioned. Dagada can describe it on LittleDoveCallum or LittleDoveFelderi or both, to increase the chance that Callum will see it. ([META]And if Dagada describes the sign or posts a picture of it here, we can be sure our PM will know what to expect. Mr. Green

[/META]) Yes, the Agency will know what to look for as well, but as noted above I don't necessarily see that as a problem.

If Zarafa and/or others on behalf of the Agency identify themselves openly, that's great. On the other hand, as [sic] noted, if someone comes up to Dagada and introduces himself as Callum, it might not really be Callum. (It could even be considered an Agency intelligence test, rather than a deliberate deception.) Given how deeply Callum is involved in the Agency, and the fact that they've monitored every single communication he's had with us, finding a question to which the Agency does not know the answer may be tricky.

I suggest, therefore, that instead Dagada ask a question that the Agency will not want to answer even if the representative knows. Possible examples: "What were the exact words of the blood oath you swore to the Agency?" or "Describe the ritual that accompanied your blood oath to the Agency." Both of these could help us figure out how to help Callum break it, so presumably the Agency would not want to give the legitimate answer... but if Dagada behaves as if he already knows the answer and is just confirming it, that puts the Agency representative in a tough spot. I'd expect that it should at least cause significant hesitation, which would enable Dagada to spot the imposter.

Whether Dagada ends up speaking with Callum, the Agency, or both, however, I still think the most important thing we need to do is decide what we hope to get out of the meeting. Having concrete goals seems the best way to pursue concrete results. Any suggestions?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 3:37 am

Pictishwitch
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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Brainstorming

Shad0 wrote:

Those Agency folks probably all have constellation-related names. If I get in, I'm so picking Noctua for mine. Wink

Pictishwitch wrote:

[sic] wrote:

Therein lies the crux of our problem. We have no way to contact Callum - at least no way that we have figured out.

Shad0 wrote:

Except that if we want to be able to communicate something to Callum without the Agency seeing it, we are currently unable to do so.

Pictishwitch wrote:

I really think we've missed something in an earlier puzzle that would guide us - something in the "Learning Knowledge" video puzzle.

Shad0 wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not it's related. Smile

Shad0 wrote:

I suggest, therefore, that instead Dagada ask a question that the Agency will not want to answer even if the representative knows. Possible examples: "What were the exact words of the blood oath you swore to the Agency?" or "Describe the ritual that accompanied your blood oath to the Agency." Both of these could help us figure out how to help Callum break it, so presumably the Agency would not want to give the legitimate answer... but if Dagada behaves as if he already knows the answer and is just confirming it, that puts the Agency representative in a tough spot. I'd expect that it should at least cause significant hesitation, which would enable Dagada to spot the imposter.
(snip)
Whether Dagada ends up speaking with Callum, the Agency, or both, however, I still think the most important thing we need to do is decide what we hope to get out of the meeting. Having concrete goals seems the best way to pursue concrete results. Any suggestions?

Lucy mentioned bending his chains (or something to that effect) enough to let him fly free, so one thing we need from the meeting with Callum is some clue as to how to make that happen.

If we end up talking to the Agency at the meeting, I'd like to know why they want Lucy so badly.

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:28 am

Sayame
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Was just contacted by Zarafa, who introduced themselves as Zafara, but whatever. I haven't been keeping up very much, so I was a little startled and probably didn't gather much more information than we already have. Zarafa is in italics.

Quote:

Greetings Alex - are you there? This is Zafara.

Hello, yes, I am here. Nice to meet you, Zafara.

I would like to apologise for my other colleagues communications if they ahve offended you or any of your 'team'/'friends'.
Goodness, a typo: have*. Sorry.
As you have all correctly inferred, for his own safety, Callum has had his account put into our hands and we are using it to communicate with those who have been in contact with Ms Lime.

That makes sense. I'm assuming that means you're with the agency, yes?

Correct, yes.

Well, I would like to say that while I appreciate the sentiment, no apologies are necessary. I can't speak for the rest of the 'team', but I was never offended by anything Callum said or did.

Not Callum himself, I am in reference to others from my 'team'

Oh, okay. I haven't been offended by any of you, either. I don't think there's an easy way to see the whole story here, so if anything you or your 'team' said could have been taken offensively, I tried to view it in a more understanding light.

Thank you sir.
Your manners and acceptance are appreciated. Is there anything we can do to continue this good will between us?
Ms Krieg, who we are also in discussion with right now, is unable to see her way to your gracious acceptance of us.

While I'd like to know more about the agency, given previously cryptic interactions, I understand if you're unable to provide more information.
I'm sorry to hear that, Zafara.

Thank you. It is not intended to be 'secret' or 'cryptic' but, the nature of our work, does require us to be vigilant.
Is there anything you would like to know?

I've been particularly interested in where you're getting the members of your organization and how they joined. Also, if I could hear a bit more about your side of the whole Lime issue, I think it would provide me with a better sense of understanding of this whole thing.

Certainly. The first I can answer, the second is harder due to clearance.

Understandable.

Members are generally scouted for, noted amongst top areas of their field - such as mathematics or physics - and offered a position. It is nothing more than that. Currently we have looked for those who have analytical minds, but with imagination to balance it, thus puzzles and such, which Callum planned an 'arg' (unsure what one really is, but allowed him to create one) to test people to see if any would, ultimately, be interested in joining.
Unfortunately, the messy affair with Ms Lime rose its head and he used it as a subversive way to ask for assistance.
Once we had discovered this, we had to take measures for his own safety and engage with yourselves.
Onto the second part of your enquiry: Ms Lime has used our agency to further her own ends, and using a rgeat deal of power and knowledge to,potentially, create a devastating effect upon the globe.
Goodness, a typo: great* Sorry.

That's sounds very serious. It's amazing to me that Lucy could have done something with such ill will. From the interactions I've had with her, she seemed nice. I've tried to keep in mind that there's always such a thing as a wolf in sheep's clothing, though.

Ah, she is nce though, that is the concern She doesn't believe what she is doing is wrong, but actually seeking to make the world better. Not crazed, just... childllike.
Typo again: nice* - Sorry - lack of sleep for the last few days.

No, I understand. It's four in the morning where I'm at. The whole situation is really unfortunate, though, from what I'm hearing. If I may ask one more question: what exactly is the purpose of your organization?

[WARNING - PROXIMITY OF GANYMEDE DISC TO JUPITER - CHANGE OF SATELLITE REQUIRED. MAXIMUM POWER REQUIRED. COMMUNICATIONS CLOSING.]

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:15 am

Rinishness
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I got a recruitment message too Alex. I'll post when I'm on a computer and not my phone. I was giving a hard time and was offered hypnotism and quit smoking aids.

And then a health plan and my address and email were asked for.

I'll edit with the information.

Also I haven't been following too closely so where are you guys talking to Lucy and Callum now?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:20 am

Dagada
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So I received two private Facebook messages today from Callum's account:

[quote]Good morning Mr Bird, my name is Zafara.[\quote]

And

[quote][WARNING - PROXIMITY OF GANYMEDE DISC TO JUPITER - CHANGE OF SATELLITE REQUIRED. MAXIMUM POWER REQUIRED. COMMUNICATIONS CLOSING.][\quote]

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:23 am

[sic]
Boot

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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Brainstorming

Pictishwitch wrote:

Except that if we want to be able to communicate something to Callum without the Agency seeing it, we are currently unable to do so.

Yeah, I was trying to say that since the Agency is going to be there anyway, it's probably not worth trying to communicate a confirmation of the meeting secretly (via puzzles or codes). An upfront confirmation on /LittleDoveFelderi would likely help the PM know that this is all still happening, if nothing else.

Also, I'm going to have to agree that the "Learning Knowledge" stuff is probably unrelated to the meeting. It was actually Callum's idea and I just passed along the message under the guise of a drink after work. But throughout all of this, Lucy and Callum seem to have different motives. Lucy offers to give knowledge to those who look. Callum (seemingly) is a husband looking for his wife. Now Lucy wants us to help break Callum free, but she didn't reveal that until after she gave us the video. So I think the Learning Knowledge has more to do with Lucy and less to do with Callum's wanting to meet someone in person.

Shad0 wrote:

Whether Dagada ends up speaking with Callum, the Agency, or both, however, I still think the most important thing we need to do is decide what we hope to get out of the meeting. Having concrete goals seems the best way to pursue concrete results. Any suggestions?

I haven't gotten a recruitment message, but it looks like the Agency is doing the recruitment on their on accord? So maybe it's not worth trying to get Dagada enlisted if the Agency is going to message the people they want? Idk. If we go that route, I just don't know how Callum will react. Zarafa seems to be suggesting that the Agency took over his fb for his own safety, but Callum seems to be legitimately afraid of them. Also, I'm not going to forget that the Agency bullied the information out of us and taunted us about it, even if Zarafa "apologized." (I also haven't forgotten how Callum flipped out on Lucy, but that's another story).

Anyway, I agree with Pictishwitch that one of our goals should be getting as much information as possible to break the oath. I like Shad0's idea to ask about the blood oath directly (and this should be the very first question asked). But it might be tricky depending on how good of an actor you are, Dagada Very Happy

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:54 am

Pictishwitch
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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Brainstorming

I got a private Facebook message from the Agency this morning, consisting of the proximity warning thing that Dagada also received. That same warning is also now on the wall of Callum's Facebook page. Before that, though, there was another wall post:

Quote:

Who is still reading this - want to talk? Potential deals to be made... Z

I'm presuming this is from Zarafa, and both Shad0 and I have responded.

Y'all may be right about the "Learning Knowledge" thing not being what we need at the moment. I'm just one of those people who likes to have as much information as possible before going into anything. However, we do need to focus on Saturday. Smile

After reading Sayame's post, I'm thinking it would be wise to be extremely wary of Lucy, Callum, and the Agency. For all we know, they might just be three sides of the same crazy. So, by all means ask the blood oath question, find out how to free Callum - but don't trust him.

To facilitate communication/coordination on Saturday, I started a list of players and their timezones. Here is who has responded so far:

Pictishwitch: PDT
ShadO: PDT
Pia: EDT
Sic: EDT

While I understand that not everyone can be available, it would still be useful to know everyone's timezones, just in case we ever run into a situation where BST folks need sleep, and want to hand over a partially completed puzzle to EDT folks to work on, etc.

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:55 pm
Last edited by Pictishwitch on Thu May 28, 2015 4:09 am; edited 1 time in total

Sayame
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I go by central time here.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 2:31 am

dreamerblue
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Hey, it's been a while, but my time zone is EDT if I can help

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Playing: Callum Felderi (if I have time)
...& have poked my head in on various other things here and there.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:00 pm

Dagada
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I see Edward Nigma has posted a new puzzle on Facebook. I've not had time to analyse as I'm at work, but I expect it'll be quite important re tomorrow.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 4:20 am

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