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Shad0
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 		Re: Raven consolidation
Just for my own head
More from Nigma:

Edward Nigma wrote:
One has already found 8... so... there are quite a few to find. I'll give one little prize to the first who solves it with nine, and then one to the person who solves it with the most found before the beginning of advent...
For those asking about the wheel - it gives a clue as to how to arrange the 36... that and something else if you lok closer at the colours and the author...

And:

Edward Nigma wrote:
Advent approaches quickly now
With just ten days now to pass
Who will find the most that's sought
From the drank-from, but not-empty, glass?

Pictishwitch, did you send him your finds?

If not, he might mean me, so I'll just copy-and-paste what I've sent him (apart from the "sun, moon, and stars" answer above):

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Well, clearly the visitor who thinks of "writing desks" must be either the Mad Hatter or his creator, Lewis Carroll. "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" Because Poe wrote on both of them, hardy har har.

(Actually, Rev. Dodgson is reputed to have explained the answer he had in mind as "Because they are both 'nevar' the wrong way round." I like the fake answer better.)

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Now, I must assume that the volume of Dickens you dropped was "Barnaby Rudge," featuring the talkative Grip the Raven, whom Dickens based on his own pet. Many, in fact, believe that Grip is the specific bird that inspired Poe to write "The Raven."

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"Asking thrice to one or many: 'Bring you peace or bring you war?'" calls to mind the Morrigan, the Irish/Celtic goddess of war and death. She is a triple goddess, often depicted as a trio of sisters, which might explain your confusion as to whether you are asking your triple question to one person or three different people. As one might expect for a goddess associated with death, the Morrigan most often appears in the form of a crow or raven, especially when hovering above a battlefield.

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Now, perhaps the reason your raven has "painted" plumage is that he hasn't yet brought humanity the gift of fire. Legend tells that raven once had rainbow feathers and the most beautiful voice, but when winter fell upon the land and all of the animals he flew up to the heavens to beseech the creator for aid. He received a burning branch to take fire back to the animals below, but as he flew the branch grew shorter and shorter, the smoke singing his feathers black (much like the "Smoke ... rising through the air vents, encircling my new guest's garments," I'd wager). The smoke also choked him and his beautiful voice, turning it harsh and screechy. And that, since you asked, is the "reason for his caw"!

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I was not previously familiar with a Nordic Riddler, but I daresay I've spotted him now: Odin himself, disguised as Gestumblindi in the Riddles of King Heithrek! Odin's own ravens, Hugin and Munin, probably inspired him to ask the King "On high fells what lives?" (a raven being the answer), and also the riddle seeking a substance "Harder than horn, blacker than the raven," to which the answer is obsidian, which in Old Norse was called raven-flint.

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How to keep London from war? Legend holds that, since the days of Charles II, the British empire, the monarchy, and the Tower of London itself will fall if the ravens leave the Tower. (Historically speaking this is questionable, but who cares?) There are currently seven ravens, the required six plus a spare. Some think the legend is based on the Welsh hero Bran the Blessed, whose head was supposedly buried where the Tower now stands. ("Bran" means "raven" in Welsh.) Others think the ravens were originally a gift from some Earl of Dunraven who apparently thought he was hilarious.

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The "em'rald lands of yore" may be Greenland, and if so then the "older oil" that "burns from a north site" may be an old fable from the Greenland Eskimos explaining that the Raven got his black color in a fight with his (former) friend the Snowy Owl, who dumped sooty lamp-oil on him because he couldn't hold still.

Closing with: "Hey, if Poe's "The Raven" counts (which surely it doesn't), then that could be nine!" Also (not a spoiler because nothing to do with the puzzle): "Did you know that, in many cultures, the Raven is considered the antithesis of the Dove? Smile"
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:19 am
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Pictishwitch
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 		Re: Raven consolidation
Just for my own head
Shad0 wrote:
More from Nigma:

Edward Nigma wrote:
One has already found 8... so... there are quite a few to find. I'll give one little prize to the first who solves it with nine, and then one to the person who solves it with the most found before the beginning of advent...
For those asking about the wheel - it gives a clue as to how to arrange the 36... that and something else if you lok closer at the colours and the author...

And:

Edward Nigma wrote:
Advent approaches quickly now
With just ten days now to pass
Who will find the most that's sought
From the drank-from, but not-empty, glass?

Pictishwitch, did you send him your finds?

If not, he might mean me, so I'll just copy-and-paste what I've sent him (apart from the "sun, moon, and stars" answer above):

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Well, clearly the visitor who thinks of "writing desks" must be either the Mad Hatter or his creator, Lewis Carroll. "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" Because Poe wrote on both of them, hardy har har.

(Actually, Rev. Dodgson is reputed to have explained the answer he had in mind as "Because they are both 'nevar' the wrong way round." I like the fake answer better.)

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Now, I must assume that the volume of Dickens you dropped was "Barnaby Rudge," featuring the talkative Grip the Raven, whom Dickens based on his own pet. Many, in fact, believe that Grip is the specific bird that inspired Poe to write "The Raven."

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"Asking thrice to one or many: 'Bring you peace or bring you war?'" calls to mind the Morrigan, the Irish/Celtic goddess of war and death. She is a triple goddess, often depicted as a trio of sisters, which might explain your confusion as to whether you are asking your triple question to one person or three different people. As one might expect for a goddess associated with death, the Morrigan most often appears in the form of a crow or raven, especially when hovering above a battlefield.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Now, perhaps the reason your raven has "painted" plumage is that he hasn't yet brought humanity the gift of fire. Legend tells that raven once had rainbow feathers and the most beautiful voice, but when winter fell upon the land and all of the animals he flew up to the heavens to beseech the creator for aid. He received a burning branch to take fire back to the animals below, but as he flew the branch grew shorter and shorter, the smoke singing his feathers black (much like the "Smoke ... rising through the air vents, encircling my new guest's garments," I'd wager). The smoke also choked him and his beautiful voice, turning it harsh and screechy. And that, since you asked, is the "reason for his caw"!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I was not previously familiar with a Nordic Riddler, but I daresay I've spotted him now: Odin himself, disguised as Gestumblindi in the Riddles of King Heithrek! Odin's own ravens, Hugin and Munin, probably inspired him to ask the King "On high fells what lives?" (a raven being the answer), and also the riddle seeking a substance "Harder than horn, blacker than the raven," to which the answer is obsidian, which in Old Norse was called raven-flint.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
How to keep London from war? Legend holds that, since the days of Charles II, the British empire, the monarchy, and the Tower of London itself will fall if the ravens leave the Tower. (Historically speaking this is questionable, but who cares?) There are currently seven ravens, the required six plus a spare. Some think the legend is based on the Welsh hero Bran the Blessed, whose head was supposedly buried where the Tower now stands. ("Bran" means "raven" in Welsh.) Others think the ravens were originally a gift from some Earl of Dunraven who apparently thought he was hilarious.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The "em'rald lands of yore" may be Greenland, and if so then the "older oil" that "burns from a north site" may be an old fable from the Greenland Eskimos explaining that the Raven got his black color in a fight with his (former) friend the Snowy Owl, who dumped sooty lamp-oil on him because he couldn't hold still.

Closing with: "Hey, if Poe's "The Raven" counts (which surely it doesn't), then that could be nine!" Also (not a spoiler because nothing to do with the puzzle): "Did you know that, in many cultures, the Raven is considered the antithesis of the Dove? Smile"


I didn't send him my thoughts, because I didn't have them until right before I wrote that post, so he definitely means you. Smile

The only thing I'd add to what you have is:
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Noah's raven, who didn't return to him after the flood waters receded (whereas the Dove did).

and
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Corvus, the raven of the constellation, who was the bearer of bad tidings to Apollo - who turned the raven from white to black in his rage.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:05 am
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Shad0
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Joined: 20 Jun 2004
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 		Re: Raven consolidation
Just for my own head
One more that I just sent him (and feel quite silly for not spotting right away):

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I mentioned Odin's ravens Hugin and Munin in passing, but you mentioned them far more directly. "...stirred some thoughts and memories from my past..." indeed! Hugin means "thought" and Munin means "memory" (or "mind").

I don't think this is a separate reference, though, just more detail.

Still haven't figured out the meaning of the colors in the wheel, and of course haven't determined the final answer (unless, of course, it's "raven," which seems far too obvious).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:13 am
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Shad0
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 		Re: Raven consolidation
Just for my own head
Shad0 wrote:
Still haven't figured out the meaning of the colors in the wheel, and of course haven't determined the final answer (unless, of course, it's "raven," which seems far too obvious).

It seems that the "sun, moon, and stars" answer spoilered above is in fact the "final" answer E.Nigma seeks, when coupled with sufficient explanation. Meanwhile, a note from Callum:

Callum Felderi wrote:
have you found any more, listed DIRECTLY in the poem - not just from my pseudonym - ignore that, I no longer work for 88... but from Edward/My poem...?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:29 pm
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booba
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 		Excellent work people!

The only thing I have to add is this, which may be separate from Shado's find above
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painted was the plumage --- "Tribal Lore" "In the olden days, the raven and the peacock were close friends. One day, the two birds decided to amuse themselves by painting each other's feathers. The raven set willingly to work and so surpassed itself that the peacock became as it is today. Unwillingly to share its glory even with its friend, the mean-spirited peacock painted the raven plain black."


Callum's "Directly in the poem" may be
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From the drank-from, but not-empty, glass--- "The Raven and the Pitcher"

"Tittle" might be a typo, but it's still titillating to have tittle's in the titles.


EDIT to add:
The color wheel and the author could be something like
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Poe's "The Oval Portrait" ??


PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:37 am
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Crescent
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 		Apologies to admin - breaking 4th wall
message direct to players
Apologies to all players but I need to stop the story element of this game as of immediate effect.
For reasons which I cannot explain in a public forum, issues have arisen within the game and characters which have led me to make this decision.
It is not one which I'm taking lightly but required to do so by my conscience for someone's health.
The puzzles which will occur on the riddler page will continue, should need demand, but all story elements and wall of text/emails etc will cease as of now.

Thank you for understanding,

Paul
PM of Callum Felderi [and the stories that are linked to this]
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kieto
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 		Oh no
Just returned... a week ago, but yes. Just returned to the wonders of non-video gaming Internet.

And...oh, no; I hope everything's alright. Let me know if there's anything that I can do to help. Send me a PM.

As for everyone else....WOW. Wow, that's amazing, how you guys solved it Smile You guys are amazing!

Looking forward to the next puzzle now Smile Definitely demand. There's always demand from me! Smile
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