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bryanflurry
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I'm leaning more that the bunker is in 10 Cloverfield Lane (which state I don't know) hence the title of the movie. Maybe in the fields, as the movie poster hints. And at the end of the trailer, I kinda see a tractor with field crops behind it.

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edit: sorry I forgot to say I tried searching for addresses with 10 Cloverfield Lane, it's all in America, and 1 in New Zealand. Nothing in France.

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ljm
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I've been doing my own look through all this because I'm pretty convinced there is no game here, and like I said a couple posts ago, the only thing hanging me up was Virtually Quinn's post that she linked to on Reddit that argued the Wayback Machine proved that Swamp Pop added the shelter supply to their product page in November of 2015, which would prove they are complicit.

I don't think that's accurate, at least from my investigation of the Wayback Machine records.

Sorry, if you have all covered this already. I read from the discovery of SP all the way to current on this thread and didn't see any close analysis of this.

It seems like there are three points that suggest Swamp Pop is IG:

1. Wayback Machine archives showing that Shelter Supply was added in November 2015.

2. Swamp Pop's use of movie related intellectual property, which suggests they have permission or they're just incredibly dumb.

3. Swamp Pop emails and responses that mention cryptic references to problems on the East Coast.

On point 1:

If you click through the Swamp Pop archives on the Wayback Machine, and you start with the November 19, 2015 home page archive, and then click on the Buy button, you're not staying on a November 19 archive of the Shopify link. Wayback Machine moves you to the January 17 archive of the Shopify link, which is where the product is added. After the trailer came out and their Google News Alert started freaking out when people recognized the soda.

On point 2:

It's notable that at no point is Swamp Pop actually infringing on Paramount/BR IP… they don't use the actual Slusho tagline, they don't use the actual Valencia production logo that we've seen on Instagram with the hollow bottom right lobe of the radiation symbol, etc. One of the arguments that has been made is that SP wouldn't use the movie's IP without permission from the owners. But, in reality, they're not using any of the movie's IP, they're using stuff really *close* to the movie's IP but intentionally substantially different. Which suggests to me that they *don't* have permission and they're not IG.

Not to mention that all of those references are just WAY too on the nose for what we know BR ARGs to use. It doesn't *feel* like an ARG, it just feels like a company making a cute nod to the fans.

And point 3:

All of the references they're making seem to me to be references to Cloverfield, and not the trailer. Supply problems on the east coast? The Cloverfield ARG was played in "real time", meaning that the events in the movie happened on the day of release of the movie and all of the ARG was supposedly happening "live". If we're still in that universe, so to speak, then the events of Cloverfield happened 8 years ago. So either they're referencing Cloverfield and haven't managed to fix their supply line 8 years after the "problems" on the east coast, or they're not referencing Cloverfield and then the point is moot. Their reference to problems about supply chain on the east coast suggest to me that they have no idea exactly how deep this ARG thing goes and how to "play" from their end and that they're trying to play along cutely but have zero idea how.

So I'm pretty much convinced at this point that Swamp Pop is OOG and about to get a phone call from Bad Robot or Paramount's legal team. Once again sorry if this is all old news for you guys but I wanted to look into it myself and didn't catch if somebody had already gone over this.

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Game or no game, time will tell.

Fun fact: If you take the date of the movie's release, then the numbers punched into the juke box, then remove the 1's because "there doesn't seem to be any 1 around", you get 3-6-4-8-3. Mathmatically, that comes to -18. That might look a little familiar since 1-18-08...

Not that I think that this leads anywhere. Just an interesting fact.
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I also take issue with the idea that part of the experience would possibly require some individuals to make a purchase from the Swamp Pop store.
If that was the grand idea by TPTB on how to initiate the next phase then IMO it's a misstep. This is still marketing/advertising, and to require a purchase be made so I may participate in said marketing is wrong.
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catherwood
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Adm_BlackCat wrote:
... to require a purchase be made so I may participate in said marketing is wrong.

I guess you didn't play along with the 5Gum icefly "Test Subjects Needed" game. Whether or not it was an ARG was always up for debate, but it was definitely marketing (and moderately successful).

I agree with the above points about using Wayback Machine. You need to be loading the exact page URL to see its state on a particular day, and the shelter product is not hosted on the SwampPop site.
From what I can see of the shopify landing page, it was archived back in August and not again until January 17. Nothing can proved when it changed, only when it was archived.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150813155403/http://swamp-pop.myshopify.com/


However, I did find a suspicious item -- and I hate to bring it to our attention -- buried in the resources of SwampPop's directories. It's the fallout/radiation symbol, but without the "sold out" text on it. If the name of the directory hasn't been manually altered, it implies that the graphic was uploaded in January. And look at the name of the file:
http://drinkswamppop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/4.8.13.png

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AntaresMHD
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Good breakdown, ljm. Precisely what you said about the taglines and such used by SP is what got me thinking about the validity of this whole thing earlier today, because yeah, they're pulling a cheap chinese knockoff kind of thing regarding Slusho, it all seems familiar to us but in no way it seems to reference anything particularly new.
Of course there's the thing about the long term supply item: why would a company that sells real products try and trick people to message them back about something if they are OOG? The messaging doesn't require any sort of purchase so at least it's the only thing that one might consider in their favor if this was actually IG. But other than that, it all looks like a cash-in. Until we see people here with their purchases confirming there's clues or not, we can't know for sure... I would've bought some but the shipping alone to my country would've rendered the whole investment absurd, not to mention it would've taken at least month and a half to arrive.

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catherwood wrote:
Adm_BlackCat wrote:
... to require a purchase be made so I may participate in said marketing is wrong.

I guess you didn't play along with the 5Gum icefly "Test Subjects Needed" game. Whether or not it was an ARG was always up for debate, but it was definitely marketing (and moderately successful).

Apples & oranges!!! The product there was the gum. The marketing was about the gum, they sold the gum to market the gum. Gum everywhere. A, B, and C.

This is about the movie. The marketing is about the movie. If the product being sold is the soda, to make the marketing about the movie work, then... Well, then it might as well be the LOST ARG. LOL
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ljm wrote:
All of the references they're making seem to me to be references to Cloverfield, and not the trailer. Supply problems on the east coast? The Cloverfield ARG was played in "real time", meaning that the events in the movie happened on the day of release of the movie and all of the ARG was supposedly happening "live". If we're still in that universe, so to speak, then the events of Cloverfield happened 8 years ago. So either they're referencing Cloverfield and haven't managed to fix their supply line 8 years after the "problems" on the east coast, or they're not referencing Cloverfield and then the point is moot. Their reference to problems about supply chain on the east coast suggest to me that they have no idea exactly how deep this ARG thing goes and how to "play" from their end and that they're trying to play along cutely but have zero idea how.


Actually it was never made clear if the Cloverfield ARG was live. There were a ton of inconsistencies with the movie canon and the ARG. For example, we have Rob saying the day of the events was a Saturday on May 23, which would place the movie in either 2009 or 2015 - not 2008. On the ARG pages of the characters and companies however, they were essentially frozen on January 18, 2008 in (real life) in response to the events of the Cloverfield universe's May 23.

I do agree that Swamp Pop is not very experienced in any sort of ARG, whether they're IG or not.

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Nixeclips13
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A fascinating theory.

I don't believe I've heard anyone here bring this up. From hit fix: http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/what-jj-abrams-didnt-put-in-cloverfield-does-it-finally-matter

"Bad Robot says "10 Cloverfield Lane" is a blood relative of "Cloverfield." A horrible car accident and a chemical attack are an interesting premise on their own. But couple it with the knowledge the Tagruato Company was feeding the populace an unstable substance they mined from the bottom of the ocean — one that angered a baby monster — and things get more interesting. Is this movie dealing with the fallout of Slusho! saturation? Is John Goodman's character REALLY a doomsday prepper or part of TIDO Wave?"

Edit: I meant the Slusho theory. I've heard the JG part before.

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VirtuallyQuinn
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CynAnne wrote:
VirtuallyQuinn wrote:
Pixiestix wrote:
We clearly see a house out the window of the bunker, so unless that's a tech error (which I doubt) the bunker is NOT under the Eiffel Tower.


I don't think we do Smile

http://www.virtuallyquinn.com/10cl-the-hell-does-mew-see/



A detail I noticed, to bolster the idea of...

"3. It looks like yellow farm equipment, the back one looks like a barrel, hazardous waste barrel?"

As I mentioned in my post back on pg. 28, in the trailer you can see a yellowish 'hazmat' type sticker on the barrel the characters are standing semi-circle around ( sticker's on right side, down by JGs thigh).

And, about that 'close-up' in MEWs eye...

"...similar to Super8, there might be something in the tiny lens of her eyes…"


This here's a J.J. type 'joke' - look at the outline in her eyes...then look the logo for 'Bad Robot'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/BadRobotLOGONEW.jpg


Coincidence...? Perhaps.

Wink


No I totally saw it too, in fact it was the first thing that jumped out at me but I reeled it back only because it wouldn't make sense in the movie/trailer.

So far, unless we're just sailing over it, it doesn't appear to be following the same path as the original - the date urls and tshirts and character bios. Jury's still out on the packaging contents from anyone who purchased.

Maybe that's part of our problem - we're looking for the original sort of path and not able to work out something different?

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awwww, decided to re-watch Jamie's videos {still so glad she was so underused in the film}.

HAHAHAHA I totally forgot about the ridiculous way Jamie had to drink her beer on the video because they couldn't risk showing any of the label since they didn't have the rights {!!!!!!!}
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@catherwood heck yeah I participated in that experience! It was good, and the community was great, as always. But true, I bought so much gum for the codes that I knew were part of that experience.
But, yeah, what Pixiestix said. Smile
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Cloverfieldnews wrote:
Does nobody else think that the "typo" in the email "unf.orseen" is just a nod to this website? I still really just think that Swamp Pop is playing into their new found publicity and, at the moment, isn't part of any larger marketing plan by Paramount, but maybe I'm the only one...


You're not the only one. It's not like they couldn't read the unforums.

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VirtuallyQuinn wrote:
CynAnne wrote:


And, about that 'close-up' in MEWs eye...

"...similar to Super8, there might be something in the tiny lens of her eyes…"


This here's a J.J. type 'joke' - look at the outline in her eyes...then look the logo for 'Bad Robot'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/BadRobotLOGONEW.jpg


Coincidence...? Perhaps.

Wink


No I totally saw it too, in fact it was the first thing that jumped out at me but I reeled it back only because it wouldn't make sense in the movie/trailer.

So far, unless we're just sailing over it, it doesn't appear to be following the same path as the original - the date urls and tshirts and character bios. Jury's still out on the packaging contents from anyone who purchased.

Maybe that's part of our problem - we're looking for the original sort of path and not able to work out something different?


Since J.J. knows we've 'peeked in peoples peepers' before, hiding teh Bad Robot logo in MEWs eye seems like exactly the sort of thing that would amuse him...

"Got'cha this time, you sneaky lil' critters!"

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VirtuallyQuinn wrote:

So far, unless we're just sailing over it, it doesn't appear to be following the same path as the original - the date urls and tshirts and character bios. Jury's still out on the packaging contents from anyone who purchased.

Maybe that's part of our problem - we're looking for the original sort of path and not able to work out something different?


That's actually SUPER clever. And a really great observation. Like all these seemingly similar elements to the old movie - tshirts, beverages, fake products, number codes, dates - are just mcguffins. Which is so totally JJ Abrams. We expect those things - but doing the unexpected is about the only thing to expect with him (that and Greg Grunberg) This trailer is kinda a greatest hits of things he's pulled before in a way - There's a little of the DNA of so many of his projects packed into those one hundred and fourty four seconds. It's almost more metatextual than transmedia.

I don't think anyone's ever really managed to shoot a blockbuster in total secret before and drop the trailer as a total surprise to absolutely everyone two months before the release date. Whatever this is, it's a new thing.

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