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kosmopol
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Oh yes, my friends, what a memories!

Cloverfield brought me to UnFiction. Firstly I was on imdb forums, but they were kinda chaotic and childish, filled with Ethan Haas and stuff, you know.

Then I've got to know about UF, came here and were chained for eternities. While of Cloverfield ARG flows I visited "News and Rumors" thread and was overwhelmed - so many ARGs and grassroots. I joined an Awesome ARG Conspiracy08, made by congenial PM XIII on his own. A zero budget Grassroot arg, where he mimed all characters in a global worldwide conspiracy and I found myself one day in a chat with a cute Japanese Office Lady Yori Tanaka, who sat under her office table with her damn silly water gun toy while her office was assaulted with a hardcore armed SWAT by a paramilitary group, and they've got here and I was the last man who told to her, while people at UF followed my live reports.

And I was like: WOW! I became ARG junkie and took part in so many ARGs, grassroots, Art guerilla weirdnesses like Junko Junsui, where PM contacted me as player and cried a little about all those players who don't get his art...

Ah people, UnFiction is my second home. And you are my second family.
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dmax
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MissingTeddyHanssen wrote:
kosmopol wrote:
[...] The best BR ARG was StarTrek so far, with social element of saving Vulcan in a huge console showdown, where players connected their forces into one ray. THIS was awesome. And highly cinematic. [...]


Man I remember how FlynnLives ended. It had an ending just as epic: your internet browser would get crazy showing scenes from the movie (closes and opens new ones at the same time. Some scenes would act synchronized too!), then you finally see CLU eerily smiling at the end. And a beeper. Alan Bradley's fucking beeper. Holy shit. Good times
(Not to mention I got a lot of swag in the end too. hint hint)


I enjoyed the end of the Dave S game with Sal Marzano coinciding with the planet Mars being closest to the earth and an underground walk broadcast with a live video feed (not really) while we all watched - and then all the people but one reporting back were murdered while we were following along.

The days with Dave S and Chasing the Wish, etc., were all very good times. I still have my CTW lunchbox.
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gimlet
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kosmopol wrote:
Oh yes, my friends, what a memories!

Cloverfield brought me to UnFiction. Firstly I was on imdb forums, but they were kinda chaotic and childish, filled with Ethan Haas and stuff, you know.

Then I've got to know about UF, came here and were chained for eternities. While of Cloverfield ARG flows I visited "News and Rumors" thread and was overwhelmed - so many ARGs and grassroots. I joined an Awesome ARG Conspiracy08, made by congenial PM XIII on his own. A zero budget Grassroot arg, where he mimed all characters in a global worldwide conspiracy and I found myself one day in a chat with a cute Japanese Office Lady Yori Tanaka, who sat under her office table with her damn silly water gun toy while her office was assaulted with a hardcore armed SWAT by a paramilitary group, and they've got here and I was the last man who told to her, while people at UF followed my live reports.

And I was like: WOW! I became ARG junkie and took part in so many ARGs, grassroots, Art guerilla weirdnesses like Junko Junsui, where PM contacted me as player and cried a little about all those players who don't get his art...

Ah people, UnFiction is my second home. And you are my second family.


Oh wow. Junko Junsui is fascinating to read about in retrospect, but that is so weird and hilarious and awkward! I think I would have noped right out at that point! Those guys strike me as weirdos, and not in a good way. I mean they literally caused international incidents. On purpose.

And yes, this is a nice place. It reminds me of the old days of the internet. You are also a big part of this being a lovley welcoming place Kosmo!

I really wish I had found this place earlier. Maybe then I wouldn't have gotten as disallusioned with ARGs and followed along. Although I think I was also pretty busy with life stuff during that time.

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kosmopol
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gimlet wrote:
Oh wow. Junko Junsui is fascinating to read about in retrospect, but that is so weird and hilarious and awkward! I think I would have noped right out at that point! Those guys strike me as weirdos, and not in a good way. I mean they literally caused international incidents. On purpose.

And yes, this is a nice place. It reminds me of the old days of the internet. You are also a big part of this being a lovley welcoming place Kosmo!

I really wish I had found this place earlier. Maybe then I wouldn't have gotten as disallusioned with ARGs and followed along. Although I think I was also pretty busy with life stuff during that time.


Oh yes, Junko was disturbing. Visually perfect, but creepy and uncontrollable. Those North Korea hacks were very questionable. It was like political activism becomes hipster and turns into neightmare. After they invaded unFiction I tried to preserve meta perspective and opened a forum and chat for communication between characters and players. I became a moderator of Apocalypsis in some way, lol, dunno what for. Perhaps because I was still mesmerized and brainwashed by the visual perfection of this phantasm, lol.

Nice to have you here too, gimlet, and you all everybody. I hope, after 11th March the story won't end. Or if it will, we will still in contact, perhaps in some another ARG! This collective fantasizing is so beautiful.
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woodsm3
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This could be a stupid question but....

was anyone on here by chance at a restaurant in Tucson, AZ today talking about the ARG with someone? My wife swears she heard a conversation about it but she was too embarrassed to ask and didn't know where they were when she told me. And as I'm typing this I'm realizing how much this seems more like a craigslist "missed connection". But oh well....craigslist is IG now so it counts! Very Happy

Edit: Also if this is a totally wrong place to post this I do apologize. I had no idea where to put this kind of question!

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kosmopol
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Re: This could be a stupid question but....

woodsm3 wrote:
was anyone on here by chance at a restaurant in Tucson, AZ today talking about the ARG with someone? My wife swears she heard a conversation about it but she was too embarrassed to ask and didn't know where they were when she told me. And as I'm typing this I'm realizing how much this seems more like a craigslist "missed connection". But oh well....craigslist is IG now so it counts! Very Happy

Edit: Also if this is a totally wrong place to post this I do apologize. I had no idea where to put this kind of question!


No problem, this is the right META thread for such requests!
And it's cool, ARGonauts are everywhere! Smile
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JustThinking
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I haven't done a lot of ARGs - but I think the creators of this one deserve thanks for way they have made it open to all- at least in the US- at each stage.

We could order Swamp Pop, go to the movies for trailer pics, play the Sim game, send emails to Mom. We also might have gotten something out of voicemails to Howard if people hadn't wanted to crack open the game pieces instead of playing with them.

So thanks PM's! (And what's up with the Eiffel Tower?)

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Cherry
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JustThinking wrote:
I haven't done a lot of ARGs - but I think the creators of this one deserve thanks for way they have made it open to all- at least in the US- at each stage.

We could order Swamp Pop, go to the movies for trailer pics, play the Sim game, send emails to Mom. We also might have gotten something out of voicemails to Howard if people hadn't wanted to crack open the game pieces instead of playing with them.

So thanks PM's! (And what's up with the Eiffel Tower?)


I think thhe Eiffel Tower is just a trail marker.

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Melodyman
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So after even more developments, I am convinced that Megan died in some kind of accident years ago (perhaps during a trip to Paris.. maybe she fell off the Eiffel Tower or something) and Howard has become unhinged as a result also causing his marriage to fail..Maybe it was his fault and he blames himself which explains his overprotective nature with the shelters and needing her to come to him for protection.. The items on FaPT seem to confirm this .. Like a snapshot of a young girls life frozen in time.. A teen magazine from years ago, a wreath and dress-up jewelry, various beads and arts and crafts and all the hearts similar to the Mailbox post and the journal.. Nothing recent like Prom pics or graduation photos etc..Not items we would relate with a post teen..if Megan was able to drive to NO she must be older than these things would suggest.. This plus not hearing a peep from her and her Mom apparently now selling off her memories with her stuff seem to indicate that Megan is and has been dead for some time.. Explains Howards OCD and sets up the film story well.. Not sure what a password to the chat would reveal since there is nobody to chat with except Howard..Unless all us ARG'ers are all going to pretend to be Megan there.. Think this was just a story enhancement to make us think she was alive to get the ball rolling.. Looking back it makes the game make sense now..

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Blast
from the past

The reason I think we've been handed kloos that haven't been dealt with yet are my memories of things like greywethers. It took literal years to solve - but Dave S as the PM was kind enough to provide an alternate route to the next part of his game so we weren't stuck.

But here's the solve, to show you what some PMs can do to you...
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gimlet
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So, I've connected a few things we've learned over the past few days and I have a hunch about something.

The biggest thing is that the replies from Mom are coming at approximately Pacific time - early Afternoon to early evening.

Thing number two: JJ in his video interview talks about "everything" for this movie being done in house, and how new and different that is for them (but also how well it's worked out for them, and how that's enabled them to keep things secret).

So, putting that together with how sure I am that one of the pictures from FAPT has the Hollywood Hills in the background, I think this ARG has been produced in house. I think the Team Fortress level they worked on in the fall was the first test of doing iterative, responsive game design in real time. Now they are running this ARG out of Bad Robot instead of hiring another outside Marketing company who would have less direct access to the film and its makers (like they've done in the past with varying levels of success).

So the issues we've witnessed were merely the growing pains of trying something totally new. I think if this is true it's great news overall, as we can look forward to them getting better and better at this, over time, and to movie & TV ARGs that have passion and narrative driving them forward that can only come from working directly with the filmmakers themselves.

Does that sound crazy? Or does it fit with what we've witnessed?

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JustThinking
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gimlet- I noticed the timing too and figured it had to be someone West Coast working the information.

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JustThinking
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Re: Blast
from the past

dmax wrote:
The reason I think we've been handed kloos that haven't been dealt with yet are my memories of things like greywethers. It took literal years to solve - but Dave S as the PM was kind enough to provide an alternate route to the next part of his game so we weren't stuck.

But here's the solve, to show you what some PMs can do to you...


OK- well, that just leaves me sputtering.

Yeah, I feel like we missed a a radio transmission somewhere, and the writing errors are obviously on purpose. So they are just messing with us or we are missing that too.

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hinoai
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gimlet wrote:
So the issues we've witnessed were merely the growing pains of trying something totally new. I think if this is true it's great news overall, as we can look forward to them getting better and better at this, over time, and to movie & TV ARGs that have passion and narrative driving them forward that can only come from working directly with the filmmakers themselves.

Does that sound crazy? Or does it fit with what we've witnessed?


Not crazy. It sounds very plausible. More than that, it explains a lot. Either way, this ARG has been a lot of fun, and I hope that it comes to a great conclusion, or even continues after the movie for a little while!

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Salo
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Since the ARG has come to a relative halt (I realize that it could continue well after the film is released, and I'm personally hoping that it does), and now having seen the movie, I have some reflections on the whole experience. Don't worry; I will put all spoilers in the appropriate tag. These are just some of my views. I feel the need to discuss this movie, and while my girlfriend enjoyed it, she doesn't indulge in the "nerdy" (her word, not mine) stuff like I do.

PROS:
-- I enjoyed the Tagruato tie-in, the FAPT website, the hidden image trailers, and the overall ominous tone of this ARG. Having watched the original trailer a few dozen times, the ARG really enhanced the feeling that I got from it. It definitely had a claustrophobic, ominous, urgency to it that I think complimented the trailer and, after having seen it, the film in general.
-- I think that the ARG really served, and helped to flesh out, Howard perfectly. Having him react, in his paranoid conspiracy theorist manner, to actual real world happenings was a masterstroke. Though it confused us at the time because we are conditioned to search for clues and additional websites that were IG, it ultimately gave the character depth.
-- I enjoyed watching MugensKeeper hunt for the dead drop. I also enjoyed the USB recordings, which
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told us exactly what type of movie this would be, and what type of 'monsters' we'd be dealing with
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CONS:

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I feel as though JJ Abrams could have been clearer in his 'blood relative' statement. I know some will disagree, and I'm fine with that. I just feel that if he had come out in the very beginning and said "Cloverfield is now an anthology series with movies that are only connected by tone and atmosphere", there wouldn't be such a huge fan backlash right now. It would have protected this movie while not giving anything away about the story itself. I'm hoping the film will be a success, but I'm also expecting it to backfire; after "Godzilla" opened strongly in 2014, word got out that G-Man wasn't actually in the movie all that much, and its box office started to decline. When word gets out that Clover isn't in this movie at all, 10CL's box office could plummet even harder, potentially killing this franchise.


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This ARG really does serve the movie well, but it was still a mess. Whether this is true or not, it really did feel like they hadn't had this ARG planned before the trailer hit and everyone clamored for a game. The hidden images in the trailers, while fun, were counterproductive; because we had to shoot video in movie theaters and extract the images from them, the numbers weren't always clear, and we spent more time discussing what the actual numbers were than using them to hunt for clues. And it felt like Bad Robot released them onto YouTube after seeing that the dead drop was in danger of not being found, in a moment of "screw it, here you go".


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Putting the dead drops in the hands of fans was both a good and bad idea. MugensKeeper was a champ, sharing everything with us that he possibly could. Helveticat handled the situation poorly, but I don't blame her. She found a phone and assumed that Howard's number would only interact with the phone she was given--why wouldn't she? It was perfectly reasonable. In a moment of "monsters come in many forms", she was personally attacked, harassed and threatened which I did not like at all. Should she have shared everything with us? Yes. Was her thinking reasonable? Yes, as well. I blame Bad Robot for that whole debacle; why leave such a specific device for someone if the intention is for her to share it with everyone else? And once she did, what did she and the rest of us get for her/our troubles? Nothing. Just a voice mail from Howard that didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, unlike the USB recordings. It served no purpose, and Helveticat had to put up with a ridiculous level of harassment for no reason at all.


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I'm sorry everyone, but we fans got the shaft in the marketing of this movie, and for a while we took it out on one another. As stated, JJ should have been clear about where the franchise was heading from the beginning; it wouldn't have given anything away about this movie specifically. Had he done that, we could have focused on the ARG with a clear understanding of what the movie was and moved on from that. Being ambiguous about whether or not Clover was in it (up until this last week), took our minds away from the fact that the answer was there all along, and it was obvious. I, along with Pixie and others, saw that Superbowl trailer, heard the USB recordings, and pointed to the notion (which became fact) that this seemed to be hinting at aliens in the movie. But the roars, the shaking walls and ceilings, and the fact that "CLOVERFIELD" appears in the trailer before the rest of the title, gave a lot of people hope that Clover (or his mom) would be in this movie, and a lot of people used those deliberate nods to the original to hold onto hope. I fully well believe that anyone who has a complaint about this movie is justified, because, like it or not, there was a bit of deception used in this film's marketing. You can debate that with me, but keep in mind that I love 10CL and applaud the direction they're taking with this franchise. Is confusing us a good thing? Yes, it can be. Does that mean it CAN'T possibly be a bad thing? No, it does not. It can often be very bad.


Those are my thoughts. See the movie and enjoy it! It's been a blast.[/spoiler]

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