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[TRAILER] New Trailer 2.19.2016
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I watched again and what I didn't notice the first time is the little rating box at the bottom. I can tell it says PG-13 but the video is too low quality to read the rest of it.


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From the official website.

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Adm_BlackCat wrote:
From the official website.


Thanks. I just wasn't sure if the one in this video specifically said something different since it seems like a spoof trailer.

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I've kind of kept out of this because I think the barrel speculation is pretty moot, but a few things from my about the barrel of what is intended to be a serious corrosive of some kind. I deal with pH 2 acid sanitizers and pH 13 basic desoilants at work literally every day.

First, there is definitely some movie magic going on here. While plenty of corrosives are capable of having a reaction that generates heat or bubbles, they are likely not green and not bubbling inherently unless they've been recently diluted from a salt form (most basic corrosive chemicals we use have an exothermic reaction when they get mixed with water for use, the products ship to us as a stable salt (salt meaning the category of chemicals, not table salt literally) either in flake or powdered crystals).

The reason we use these chemicals at my work is for debris removal and sanitation in a beverage industry. I would guess that if the event outside the shelter is some kind of virus/infection/etc. that the barrel scene is about sanitizing or decontaminating something. That's what it looks like to me.

It's pretty unlikely that the chemical would be used to dispose of waste, it would be a waste of that resource when there are natural, self sustaining ways to deal with waste (like fish/algae or composting). Even if you use an acid or a base to corrode something, the base organic material is still in the solution and would, over time, neutralize the pH of the corrosive.

That said, it could be Howard doing something like melting something in the chemical as a matter of dramatic effect or because he's a weirdo, so who knows. Just my two cents on what's likely.

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For the record, I without any of that chemical knowledge, had assumed something similar from the first time I saw that barrel in the trailer.

The bit with the green goo actually just confirmed that for me.

I really think it's just a a strong chemical sanitizer of some kind.

Probably because clean water is at a premium in a bunker.

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ljm wrote:
I've kind of kept out of this because I think the barrel speculation is pretty moot, but a few things from my about the barrel of what is intended to be a serious corrosive of some kind. I deal with pH 2 acid sanitizers and pH 13 basic desoilants at work literally every day.



Woah woah woah! Let's not bring science into this!
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dmax wrote:
Woah woah woah! Let's not bring science into this!
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I guess I should know better than to presume a movie is accurate in that regard.

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Lego version of the trailer -- very cute!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSs6NDBUpxI

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dmax wrote:
Woah woah woah! Let's not bring science into this!
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This made me laugh hard. Which is bad because I think my flu has moved on to a rotten case of bronchitis so I also then coughed - HARD - for a long time.

I did some digging last night while I couldn't sleep on the information on the barrel.

'Edits to add this is the image I pulled the information from http://i.imgur.com/pVMCxwP.jpg

It's (according to the barrel) a class 5.1 (I think that's the number I can see) oxidizer with a risk class of 8

Definition I found of Class 8 corrosives:
A corrosive material is a liquid or solid that causes full thickness destruction of human skin at the site of contact within a specified period of time. A liquid that has a severe corrosion rate on steel or aluminum based on the criteria in 49CFR 173.137(c)(2) is also a corrosive material.

Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAZMAT_Class_8_Corrosive_substances

Here's a link to a ridiculously long list of class 8 materials (I really don't think any of this is important in that it;s something we need to know. Just more info for the curious. I am on the road full time so it was interesting to me to learn a new placard so I know which trucks to avoid on the highways hehe) For the record this class includes sulfuric acid, since that is what I've seen people guess is in the barrel (science aside that SA is mostly clear and not green and bubbly)
http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/placards/class8-chemicals.html



Division 5.1 Oxidizers
An oxidizer is a material that may, generally by yielding oxygen, cause or enhance the combustion of other materials.

A solid material is classed as a Division 5.1 material if, when tested in accordance with the UN Manual of Tests and Criteria, its mean burning time is less than or equal to the burning time of a 3:7 potassium bromate/cellulose mixture.
A liquid material is classed as a Division 5.1 material if, when tested in accordance with the UN Manual of Tests and Criteria, it spontaneously ignites or its mean time for a pressure rise from 690 kPa to 2070 kPa gauge is less than the time of a 1:1 nitric acid (65 percent)/cellulose mixture.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAZMAT_Class_5_Oxidizing_agents_and_organic_peroxides

The ridiculously long list of 5.1 oxidizers is here http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/placards/class5-chemicals.html#Div5.1

I don't really understand the difference between the Oxidizer 5.1 actually being on a placard on the barrel versus the "risk level 8" written on the barrel since I would assume that should also be on a placard.

Again, I don't think this is necessary information but I did spend the time looking it up last night. I'll be taking a page out of Mr. Coleridge's writings and suspend my disbelief if they dissolve a body or something else in that barrel as long as the rest of the story is cohesive.

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Here is a crop of that image:
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Oxidizers don't necessarily just relate to flammability, most sanitation chemicals are aggressive oxidizers, so don't focus too much on the "combustion" term in there. Many acids are oxidizers.

Oxidation is frequently what yields their sanitary properties. The oxidation of the cell wall of microorganisms causes lysis and that causes cell death.

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ljm wrote:
Oxidizers don't necessarily just relate to flammability, most sanitation chemicals are aggressive oxidizers, so don't focus too much on the "combustion" term in there. Many acids are oxidizers.

Oxidation is frequently what yields their sanitary properties. The oxidation of the cell wall of microorganisms causes lysis and that causes cell death.


Well I wasn't really focusing on the fact that it was combustible - that was just the definition from the 5.1 oxidation placard BUT now that you mention it. We've seen at least one fire in the bunker and at least one explosion outside so my guesses are going to be body disposal or explosion as far as uses for the barrel of spooky, bubbly, green goo. Laughing

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Cherry wrote:
We've seen at least one fire in the bunker and at least one explosion outside so my guesses are going to be body disposal or explosion as far as uses for the barrel of spooky, bubbly, green goo. Laughing



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JORDY!

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ljm wrote:
I've kind of kept out of this because I think the barrel speculation is pretty moot, but a few things from my about the barrel of what is intended to be a serious corrosive of some kind. I deal with pH 2 acid sanitizers and pH 13 basic desoilants at work literally every day.


Do the corrosives and desoilants come in this type of barrel? And are the barrels recycled/reused after empty?

I'm still going with the fish in a recycled barrel. There's something unnaturally even about the bubbles which suggests aeration rather than toxic gas release into the bunker. The green is the algae build up and the water will go to plants under grow lights as fertilizer and water -- a small, do it yourself, aquaponics setup. Fish was in the SIM, so I would expect an aquaponics system of some sort in the movie.
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