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[CONTACT] The Mother/Denise Paulson
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autinytim
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Megan's state

There is another possibility between dead and alive. She could be hospitalized in a coma, brain damage or something, so while she might be alive definitely not capable of answering. Denise may not worry about taking care of her because it's set up, nurses, Drs. are always taking care of her. It doesn't sound like the time he covered her mouth was the incident, but it could have been during one of these drills, Megan fell down stairs or some thing being rushed to the basement and hit her head.

Edit: Since the theory was posted about just as I was posting, why I don't think the breathing was the incident because he gave her a gift for her 13th Bday, while it could have been while she was hospitalized, I would think that if he was there after the incident he wouldn't expect her to answer on FAPT. I think if something did happen he has blocked that part out, so it's more he hasn't seen his hospitalized daughter since the incident given it would break his delusion about her replies, if he hasn't seen proof of this hospitalized state he can delude himself to it just being her evil mother keeping her from him and not his screw up that caused her situation

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patshatner
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danteIL wrote:
patshatner wrote:
So no disrespect to v37, as he's been at this much longer than I have and has actually contributed, but are there screenshots of the emails? I did a quick skim back through the thread and just saw bbcode quotes.

Just curious, as we have photos/screenshots/recordings of pretty much everything else IG at this point.


Well I think that v37 is at work right now, so he may not be able to get around to this right away. Do you think there might be something else missing from the emails?


No, not at all. It seems like she was pretty concise and wasn't communicating with anyone else after the initial onslaught of emails. I'm just being a completionist (and trying to quell other's doubts) and am hoping for screenshots to go with all the others.

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gimlet
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I kinda had this thought I was pondering - that perhaps the connection between The Art Institute, Pretty in Pink and Megan is that she identified with Cameron in Ferris Bueller. She clearly loved Pretty in Pink, perhaps she was a big Hughes fan and dreamed of going to the same place Cameron has his big breakdown moment. Her home life sounds like it would have been pretty stressful, caught between her parents.

http://www.cinemablography.org/blog/scene-analysis-the-museum-scene-from-ferris-buellers-day-off

I can see Howard in hindsight identifying with both Andie's alcoholic father in PIP, and Cameron's workaholic, entirely absent Dad in Bueller.

And Howard regrets not being a better Father, spending more time with her, never giving her a "day off" in Paris that she always dreamed of before graduation.

We know she was close enough to graduation to be doing college visits, but also that it sounds like she didn't get to college.

So maybe, in the end, she pulled a Cameron, but didn't have friends there to save her, like Cameron.

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JustThinking
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Thinking more- Megan wouldn't be hurt in the "about 11" incident, because Mom would remember the date, and Howard would be in jail.

So, maybe- 13th present is a gun- accidental shooting-coma?

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Melodyman
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They may not her want to tell us how Megan dies as it might be an important plot point in the film itself which they dont want to spoil here.. Thus no more contact as Denise wouldnt be able to continue to avoid the topic if she continued her replies..

The fact she didnt mention the FaPT chat page with the password request and went instead directly to the survival page kinda tells me that the password thing is a red herring put there just to make us believe she was alive so we could watch Howies slide into the paranoia Denise now confirms he suffers from..

Whats for dessert?

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I think we have a lot of people coming from other websites {WELCOME EVERYONE!!!} and because of the amount of trolling and mistrust on those other sites, we may be getting more than one credibility call out. I would prefer we not bog down the forums with a wall pictures of the emails - if this becomes a thing, could we maybe post them someplace else {like flickr or whatever} and just post a link? Thanks Smile
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So the real question is....Is Denise gonna sell that silverware or not?



On a serious note though i'm extremely excited to see how Howard's character plays out as the movie goes on considering how obsessive he is. A very interesting twist on the whole megan situation. Definitely threw me for a loop.
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ObFuSc8
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v37!!! I applaud your honesty, patience, and empathy. Worshippy All the brownies to you good sir! Brownie Brownie Brownie Brownie Brownie
That certainly is a bit of bomb Denise threw your way on her way out. Since she says she has to figure out what she's "going to do about this," she might still have one last thing for us - either through your email, or some other platform (at least, that's what I hope will happen). Given the fact that the PMs have a timeline for this to play out, the next update probably won't happen for at least a couple hours. And since she did throw in her surname, it does seem prudent to keep an eye out for a Denise Paulson that pops up somewhere in a few hours (but IDK where) and as you've said, it could be as simple as a FAPT chat update. (There IS a Denise Paulson in the Chicagoland area that is around the right age, but I'm pretty sure it's a real human, not our ARG character.)


The_Stoned_Ape wrote:
JustThinking wrote:
"would or could reply" - perhaps Howard caused brain damage and Megan is in an institution?

I was actually just theorizing about this same idea with Mugenskeeper, perhaps Howard caused serious brain damage when he was trying to keep Megan quiet by putting his hand on her mouth..and that is why she can't reply to his messages...


I'd also been thinking along these lines, until Denise's email replies to v37 & a few others. She never refers to Megan in the present, only herself -- "If he tries to get anywhere near me he'll be sorry" & "how to best take care of myself". Which really does seem to imply that Megan is dead. If Megan were currently alive, but in a care facility because of a brain injury/coma/persistent vegetative state, I'd be inclined to think Denise would have included Megan in her concern. Being in a care facility would not protect/shield Megan from Howard, or whatever disaster might be coming. I don't think Megan sustained any significant brain injury during that incident at age 11, because Howard's frozen mental image of her seems stuck at some age past 13.

It is notable that Denise said, "things got so much worse when he started working at Bold Futura." That confirms they were still together (and Megan was still alive) through the fall of 2009. IMO it's not clear if the "hand over her mouth/couldn't breathe" incident at age 11 happened before or after Howard started working for Bold Futura. I'd guess before (because even if that happened right after Howard started at BF, Megan would've just been 2 for Y2K, and I doubt she'd remember much of that). 16 pics on FAPT might be a hint that whatever happened to Megan happened when she was 16, but who knows (besides Howard & Denise Wink)

Anyway…back to waiting.

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Hello, couldn't stay away! I have a few minute and wanted to address some of what I have read:

patshatner wrote:
So no disrespect to v37, as he's been at this much longer than I have and has actually contributed, but are there screenshots of the emails? I did a quick skim back through the thread and just saw bbcode quotes.

Just curious, as we have photos/screenshots/recordings of pretty much everything else IG at this point.


Totally understandable, I would feel the same way sorry copy and paste has just been easyer sooo..


Pixiestix wrote:
I think we have a lot of people coming from other websites {WELCOME EVERYONE!!!} and because of the amount of trolling and mistrust on those other sites, we may be getting more than one credibility call out. I would prefer we not bog down the forums with a wall pictures of the emails - if this becomes a thing, could we maybe post them someplace else {like flickr or whatever} and just post a link? Thanks Smile


During my lunch today I will get the screenshots posted somewhere and leave the links here Smile should be in about an hour or so.
EDIT anyone have a site preference? [/b]

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patshatner
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v37 wrote:
Hello, couldn't stay away! I have a few minute and wanted to address some of what I have read:

patshatner wrote:
So no disrespect to v37, as he's been at this much longer than I have and has actually contributed, but are there screenshots of the emails? I did a quick skim back through the thread and just saw bbcode quotes.

Just curious, as we have photos/screenshots/recordings of pretty much everything else IG at this point.


Totally understandable, I would feel the same way sorry copy and paste has just been easyer sooo..


Pixiestix wrote:
I think we have a lot of people coming from other websites {WELCOME EVERYONE!!!} and because of the amount of trolling and mistrust on those other sites, we may be getting more than one credibility call out. I would prefer we not bog down the forums with a wall pictures of the emails - if this becomes a thing, could we maybe post them someplace else {like flickr or whatever} and just post a link? Thanks Smile


During my lunch today I will get the screenshots posted somewhere and leave the links here Smile should be in about an hour or so.
EDIT anyone have a site preference? [/b]


Awesome! Thanks man. Imgur is a solid choice in my experience.

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v37 wrote:
anyone have a site preference? [/b]


Imgur has been a big part of the reddit references if thats any help.

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Given the timelines, I just think Megan is old enough to live on her own and to have lost all contact with both her mother and father. It would explain Mrs. Paulson's reluctance to talk about Megan's whereabouts, because she probably doesn't even know where she is. Divorces are complicated for a lot of people, and even more for the children in the middle, so she could've just tried to make a life on her own.
This is simply because I don't see any indication whatsoever that Megan was sick or otherwise, and no talk of accidents or anything of the sort, so logic tells me she's just away. And no matter what, I am sure Mrs. Paulson would want to tell her biological father about his daughter's death, no?

Anyway, excellent job v37, I'm very glad this was all handled via unFiction, it made it all much better to follow and contribute. Only 3 days left until the premiere, so any developments should happen very soon.

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Yes but Howie seems to think her Mom is watching over her shoulder keeping her from answering him on FaPT and filling her head with bad things about him.. Which would seem to indicate that He believes Megan is still living with her mom.. yet it seems that is not the case..

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AntaresMHD wrote:
Given the timelines, I just think Megan is old enough to live on her own and to have lost all contact with both her mother and father. It would explain Mrs. Paulson's reluctance to talk about Megan's whereabouts, because she probably doesn't even know where she is. Divorces are complicated for a lot of people, and even more for the children in the middle, so she could've just tried to make a life on her own.
This is simply because I don't see any indication whatsoever that Megan was sick or otherwise, and no talk of accidents or anything of the sort, so logic tells me she's just away. And no matter what, I am sure Mrs. Paulson would want to tell her biological father about his daughter's death, no?

Anyway, excellent job v37, I'm very glad this was all handled via unFiction, it made it all much better to follow and contribute. Only 3 days left until the premiere, so any developments should happen very soon.


What if she wasn't sick, there was no accident, but still she is dead, because she killed herself? It's something Denise would not want Howard to know because it would only make him more unhinged, but also something she could blame Howard for because of how his dangerous behavior, and instability may have contributed to Megan's instability and eventual death.

It is also the kind if thing that if Howard *does* actually know about her death he may have totally repressed it all because of the psychic weightiness of causing your own daughter to kill herself.

It also might explain why Denise is so upset when Megan is brought up, but won't explain why to anyone. That stuff's heavy.

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gimlet wrote:
AntaresMHD wrote:
Given the timelines, I just think Megan is old enough to live on her own and to have lost all contact with both her mother and father. It would explain Mrs. Paulson's reluctance to talk about Megan's whereabouts, because she probably doesn't even know where she is. Divorces are complicated for a lot of people, and even more for the children in the middle, so she could've just tried to make a life on her own.
This is simply because I don't see any indication whatsoever that Megan was sick or otherwise, and no talk of accidents or anything of the sort, so logic tells me she's just away. And no matter what, I am sure Mrs. Paulson would want to tell her biological father about his daughter's death, no?

Anyway, excellent job v37, I'm very glad this was all handled via unFiction, it made it all much better to follow and contribute. Only 3 days left until the premiere, so any developments should happen very soon.


What if she wasn't sick, there was no accident, but still she is dead, because she killed herself? It's something Denise would not want Howard to know because it would only make him more unhinged, but also something she could blame Howard for because of how his dangerous behavior, and instability may have contributed to Megan's instability and eventual death.

It is also the kind if thing that if Howard *does* actually know about her death he may have totally repressed it all because of the psychic weightiness of causing your own daughter to kill herself.

It also might explain why Denise is so upset when Megan is brought up, but won't explain why to anyone. That stuff's heavy.



There's something about that "could or would" reply . Just not what you would say about someone who died and where action is impossible.

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