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¿How will the rest of the so called ''Big series'' end?

Abrupt and rushed ending
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The project will be dropped eventually
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It will take 10 years but it will end
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 In regards of the other ''big series''

With MH over and CL44 taking over, i find my ARG quota to be pretty fulfilled. But i noticed a DarkHavest00 upload the other day, and then a month later, another one. This made me a bit angry, but i will leave the details of why out of this thread, so instead i will ask:

What do YOU think it's going to happen with the other supposedly big Slenderman series?

With not only confusing stories thanks to crossovers that make the universe convolluted and lack of updates
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(Twitter is not equal to updating your viewers, using Twitter to update is the equivalent of being a dog outside the house, hearing footsteps coming from inside the building, hoping you are either let inside or thrown a bone to play with and then the owner just checks to see if you are still alive out there and then going back to his COD needs)
i doubt we are going to see a series ending or finishing any time soon.

Personally i think there is going to be one video apologizing that they cannot keep going with the series because no one gives a fuck anymore and then they will drop the ball. I don't even know what the fuck is going on with the series when they update you with that video that reminds you that you are still subscribed to them and decide to either unsubscribe or try to look for a wikipedia article that quickly explains what's up so far with the series just to try and understand what you just watched.

MH/CL44 may not have a big story, it even has it faults but the development points around the story and the scheduling (Something that 99% of the old and new series seem to lack) is what makes this series the best above them all.

How do you think your favorite series is going to end? That if it decides to end...

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Hmm... Everyman HYBRID, Tribe Twelve, and Dark Harvest all seem to be at a stalemate right now in terms of what's happening to the characters, which I can't help but think/hope is gearing up towards a more eventful endgame. I think I'm least concerned about Tribe Twelve because it has a track record of updating rarely, but it usually moves the plot forward whenever it does update. Also, there is a Patreon now which has already met its first goal that will eventually yield a new video. The recent updates by Dark Harvest have given me some hope that it will approach endgame eventually, because the most recent video has Chris and Alex acknowledging that they can't run forever (and also because it's "2 of 3" in a series that typically does a good job with its in-universe reasons for hiatuses... though they probably shouldn't have waited so long between parts 1 and 2). I'm only really concerned about Everyman HYBRID, which has been in the "stalemate" phase for far too long... I mean in terms of what happens when they do update, not in terms of how often they update (although that, too). There's been little transparency as to what's been going on with Vinny and Evan/HABIT, and they really ought to pick up the pace with something more eventful (preferably acknowledging the Slender Man, Rake, Corenthal, Jeff's appearance in Bridge to Nowhere, etc.)

But as far as I've seen from out-of-game accounts, there are no plans to drop any of these series. So, I thought the closest possible option on your poll was "It will take 10 years but it will end". One day, the sadness will end.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. The creators are all VERY committed. Although, MLAndersen0 seems to be over. The creator has basically fallen off the face of the Earth. Maybe it'd be easy to look at some other series? *cough*PhantomVoices*cough* ARG
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honestly these days i could give a fuck less about the other big five, i've lost most interest i had in them to be blunt...

theres alotta smaller pieces of the slenderverse cake still going on like as my acquaintance above me stated, series like AntediluvianOne (which is a cryptic cake at the moment but still active), phantomvoices which is picking up, thetownthatneverexisted (also cryptic but uploads ALOT, twice aday usually) and FallenSeven which is nearly at its end but still a good watch !

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THIS THREAD JINXED IT
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Peppercorn wrote:
There's been little transparency as to what's been going on with Vinny and Evan/HABIT, and they really ought to pick up the pace with something more eventful (preferably acknowledging the Slender Man, Rake, Corenthal, Jeff's appearance in Bridge to Nowhere, etc.)


DID I CAUSE THIS? DID THE UNIVERSE JUST BEND TO MY WILL??? *hyperventilates*

So... yeah. The very day after I post this, I get more evidence to suggest that Everyman HYBRID's current state of confusion is going somewhere, just slowly. Honestly, I actually have a lot more hope for these series now than I did several months ago. I guess Marble Hornets allways had a way of "keeping this family together", so perhaps the very existence of Clear Lakes 44 is doing the same?

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obligatory *cough*my series*cough* incoming... so look out for that.
but yeah, TribeTwelve is a sad case to me. Had a great story, may never be enjoyed in it's entirety. hard to keep up interest with a series that updates about once every six to nine months
in the mean time, certain series *coughcough*myblog1*coughcough* are reaching their season one conclusions. so yeah :3

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In my opinion creating a realistic youtube channel is a waste of time unless you love it and you want to continue it for years to come. I noticed one youtuber has deleted all his videos to make it seem like slenderman or something else deleted them, which yes it makes the series more realistic and if you put a lot of work in those videos its crazy to erase them but the series is more credible.
The thing is I think its great so many ppl try to make their channel believable and all that but I think that most of us want an ending to a series and we all want to see the big conclusion. Maybe even a conclusion to an end of a season like they do in tv shows and that way you can continue it. When I see someone's videos and they are 5 seconds long with showing absolutely nothing a but a street or something with nothing there and continue to make more videos like that I wonder whether they are trying to build suspense, lose viewers, or make their channel more believable.
So in my opinion there cannot be an ending with these little youtube channels that don't even have a story, but when it comes to the bigger channels such as Everymanhybrid were almost running in the same problem. I certainly do not want to sit through a few hours of watching someone talk. People come to these channels to expect scares and suspense for the next episode. Bigger channels(maybe besides marble hornets/44) are going to be a lot harder to end because the videos are so long, or they barely have any suspense or content....for ex: I don't mean to Bold Everymanhybrid, but if in his next video he dies from slendy after 2 hours I don't think we would be happy with that. why? Cause this series been going on for so many years and to end it that abruptly would be horrible. So honestly I could not vote on what will happen. At this point the most realistic way for thats eries to end is to not post anymore videos and maybe that's what they are doing, but idk

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You make some good points, but I think that the point of an ARG medium is to use the realism to the story's advantage, and some of the techniques you describe would be at the story's expense (not that I think you're necessarily in favor of them).

Please do not delete videos to be realistic. I cannot stress this enough. It's an absolute continuity lockout for anyone who could potentially be interested in your series, because it prevents them from even watching it. If you want the videos to be hidden for any reason, set them to unlisted so that viewers who care enough about the realism can find them while still appreciating the gimmick. But we have enough missing content in the mythos as it is. (Have you been to the original Something Awful thread after most of its pictures were accidentally deleted? That's some Library of Alexandria shit, right there.)

Another thing you shouldn't do to be realistic is release those five second videos of absolutely nothing. First of all, real people don't actually do that, so you don't even get points for realism. Second of all, people who watch series about the Slender Man are entitled to having an actual story told to them. Videos that leave everything to the imagination and lack a basic hook do not convince me that there is some compelling Slender Man-related mystery behind why they are being uploaded. All that they convince me is that it's possible to accidentally film insignificant clips, accidentally forget to delete them to save space for your real videos, accidentally edit them to include vomitous "distortion" and random creepy buzzwords that lack the context to actually be creepy, and accidentally upload them for no reason at all. Classifying these as Slender Man series is an accident, too.

I think Marble Hornets made a bold move in unconventional storytelling when they decided that we wouldn't get many answers about totheark on account of him being dead. I can understand why this frustrates a lot of people, but I think Marble Hornets at least had enough substance to it for us to draw our own conclusions. Everyman HYBRID is currently at a point where a lot of information is being hidden from the viewers because we are supposed to "stop watching". Obviously this isn't going to happen, so we must start receiving more clues which we probably aren't supposed to know. Like Marble Hornets, they need to give us enough context to reach our own conclusions about essential things they can't answer directly. Keeping us out of the loop seems realistic to the current situation, but it can't go on forever if the story is to benefit from it. I just don't think it will end without the viewers witnessing the end of the vicious cycle the characters are a part of. A good move in terms of realism would be to re-affirm the audience's significance in this story, somehow -hopefully, this would involve finally resolving the ARG aspect. If we can't realistically expect answers from the immediately accessible videos just yet, then we might find something useful in the alleged seventh box when/if it is released. Maybe.

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Is this seriously a "complain about the series" post? And it's at the top of the forum? (Probably because it's a poll, but whatever.)

Does everyone need a new reminder that the creators of the series owe you nothing? Christ.

Anyway, some points:

Ristar wrote:
Twitter is not equal to updating your viewers


Dude, were you not around during the first two seasons of Marble Hornets? Twitter usage was common, and yeah, sometimes, it was in lieu of another video. But you know what? That was just what happened. This is nothing new.

The Totem wrote:
MLAndersen0 seems to be over. The creator has basically fallen off the face of the Earth.


Not if you know where to look.

WeirdSpecter wrote:
hard to keep up interest with a series that updates about once every six to nine months
in the mean time


That's your problem, bro. What do you do in the summer when weekly television shows aren't airing new episodes? Do you just stop caring about them entirely?

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I think that most of us want an ending to a series and we all want to see the big conclusion


Dude. JustAnotherFool? Marble Hornets? Neither of those series had a "big conclusion". Hell, for a while, we didn't think MH was going to come back after season 1 was over, we just thought it ended on that note. Look back at the history of found-footage creative works, not even just the SMM. The best ones often end suddenly and without any fanfare. These aren't movies. They're also not prime-time television. When it ends, it is just going to end.

And Peppercorn, I was going to quote some stuff on your post to finish this up, but there's a lot there, so I'll just explain it in this way: if you think that there is one Good Way to run a Slendervlog, go make one and run it. If it takes off, great. If it doesn't, oh well. You can't just go around insisting that you know better than others how to do this thing.

And about the "real people don't actually" release five-second videos with no content thing: I think you should look at this.

And man, get down off your high horse. This is not a professional's game. The closest thing we have to actual professionals in this thing is the brotrinity. Everyone else is doing this as a hobby in the breaks from their actual life and jobs.

I think that's what bothers me the most about all of this: people seem to think that they've signed some sort of implied contract with the creators to create more work at a higher pace, but really what is happening is the creators are putting things out there and saying "this is here" without the promise of anything. If every Slenderman creative work were to stop right here, right now, you would have the same guarantee of new stuff as if they were all to continue: zero. And I don't know why you expect it. Or expect to have any say in what they do. It's simple: the creative direction of a series is not up to you, and if you don't like it, the door is over there.
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That's your problem, bro. What do you do in the summer when weekly television shows aren't airing new episodes? Do you just stop caring about them entirely?


Well, most TV series that stop over summer have two things that nearly every slendervlog lacks;
A: A consistent upload schedule
B: A promise (usually, unless the series ends in which case, yeah, stop caring.) of returning.

And yeah, I'll be honest: I do stop thinking about TV Shows when they're off air.

Let's take Doctor Who for example;
a brilliant TV show that has a couple of months activity but has ~a year between each series.

Now, Let's take TribeTwelve, undoubtedly one of my favorite slenderseries;
a great series that spends 6-9 months between a lot of updates, and although it creates mostly great media, is frustrating due to a (relatively) slow pace. Again, one of my favourite series, but slow to update.

Doctor Who promises a year's absence but what, twelve hours or so of screen time? TribeTwelve has a shaky, uncertain absence which (although this is unlikely for Adam's work, let's use it as an example for other series) may drop into a hiatus. If we get anything, it's a short video.


Now, I'm not saying we should hold slenderman media to that standard at all, that's impossible for individuals to create on a low budget. I don't want 12 hours of video every time Tribe Twelve updates, or some rigid schedule for said updates. But many series seem to do very little.

Personally, I don't believe this thread is about whining, and I'm sorry if you see it that way. I believe this was members of the community making suggestions about what they do and don't like about the way most series update. I could be wrong, I could be right.

TL;DR:
I don't think this thread was (entirely) about whining, but rather putting forward suggestions for creators to follow.

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Here's the thing, though:

Cougar Draven wrote:
Everyone else is doing this as a hobby in the breaks from their actual life and jobs.


The people who create Doctor Who do it as their job. They get paid for it. There's actual motivation to keep working on it. The people who do the Slenderverse do it, largely, because they want to, and I'd argue that seeing people respond with "but you're doing it wrong!" just makes it that much harder to want to come back.
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While I would agree that what the creators do is more for them than for us, I still feel this post was not just about moaning and groaning about the big series. It was about suggesting how the creators could, if they so chose, satisfy us. And while yes, you can call that demanding, that's what the topic was. I don't believe it was ever stated here that we demand creators follow this advice. This post was always about us (the people who partook in this thread) saying what we didn't like about the way series' did things, and stating alternatives.

Was some of it demanding and selfish? definitely.
But I don't think it was about demanding the series' to act like a TV show, or to demand that series creators do something. It was about what made certain sections of the fanbase feel unhappy or unsatisfied, and what members of the fanbase who felt that way, could suggest in place of say, only Twitter Updates for months and the likes.

If creators choose to follow said suggestions, that's cool. If not, then that's cool too. But I, for one, was certainly not demanding anything be done. Just expressing an opinion on a collection of works of fiction.

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Listen, I'm not judging anyone here or anyone out there. If someone dresses up in a doggy costume and runs around in circles and you see slender in the background i'm still not going to judge it. Yes I may find it strange, but I'm not going to be the one to dislike it or talk shit in the comments. YES, people do this in their free time and definitely do not do it for their job unless they are like MH and then they probably will be doing it professionally BUT even then I'm not going to dislike or give a bad comment or talk shit. I simply posted a response to this forum to give my opinion that you take or you can say, 'go fuck yourselves.' So I'm trying to make it crystal clear when I say I am not talking shit about anyone's videos. If EMH or MH or T12 goes and makes 10 hour long videos with nothing but staring at the camera IM NOT GOING TO SAY SHIT because 1> It's their free time and their business and 2>That what makes them feel good and that's how they wanna do their videos

I was saying that people may like endings like a finale in a tv show because it continuously gets us excited for the next thing to happen. Now fuck my channel cause I didn't do that and I don't care and someone can judge me for that but I do know that these ppl do not owe me anything and I do know that slender/ark videos aren't suppose to be like tv shows...IT WAS AN IDEA or a response and to my opinion for this forum because we started talking about if there is/isn't going to be endings for these bigger channels.

People these days are getting more and more pissed about opinions, and opinions that ppl are thinking, "Fuck, EverymanHybrid is going to see this and have a conniption!!! Holy shit I better tell him that they don't owe him shit and to get off his ass and do a better series!"----Well I am here for mostly the same reason everyone else is, and that is to talk about YouTube channels and to not just pat them on the back and say, "Wow your doing great, keep up the fantastic work, but to give them realistic feedback in which they can choose to either keep or forget about. So Zeus strike me dead for my "horrible" feedback

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I think I got a bit carried away with that last post; allow me to elaborate.

Cougar Draven wrote:

And Peppercorn, I was going to quote some stuff on your post to finish this up, but there's a lot there, so I'll just explain it in this way: if you think that there is one Good Way to run a Slendervlog, go make one and run it. If it takes off, great. If it doesn't, oh well. You can't just go around insisting that you know better than others how to do this thing.

I was trying explain that I would like Everyman HYBRID to end with more answers than we have now, and that I even have some hope that it will. I really wasn't trying to insinuate that I knew best about how it should end or that the creators owe me anything; I was just trying to articulate my own hopes and expectations. Sorry if I came across like that.

As for my comments about "lesser" series... yeah, I went waaay overboard there. Guess I'm just haunted by my embarrassing first experiences on this forum where series like that came out all the time. But I was trying to highlight why a lot of new series don't catch on, which relates to the thread's discussion of the mythos' current state. It kind of sits ill with me to hear the whole "why don't you try better" spiel, because all I was trying to do is voice criticism of no series in particular, but instead of common tropes I think they should avoid. I didn't think I was forcing anyone to do anything by stating this (albeit passionate and kind of rude) advice.

Cougar Draven wrote:

And about the "real people don't actually" release five-second videos with no content thing: I think you should look at this.

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And man, get down off your high horse. This is not a professional's game. The closest thing we have to actual professionals in this thing is the brotrinity. Everyone else is doing this as a hobby in the breaks from their actual life and jobs.

I didn't do a good job using the word "entitled" in my post; I kind of said that creators aren't required to give us anything, but we as viewers are (paradoxically) entitled to receive something. I can see how that's kind of a contradiction. What I should have said was: a series should contain a basic story if it is to be considered a Slender Man series. I think that's a pretty reasonable standard to have, and it's more of a standard directed towards the audience classifying these things.

I don't expect professionalism from the Slender Man mythos, and I promise I will never tell creators that they owe me, because they don't. But I only meant to share my own ideas about what I think would make series better. If anyone disagrees with my advice, then by all means they can disregard it.

WeirdSpecter wrote:

But I don't think it was about demanding the series' to act like a TV show, or to demand that series creators do something. It was about what made certain sections of the fanbase feel unhappy or unsatisfied, and what members of the fanbase who felt that way, could suggest in place of say, only Twitter Updates for months and the likes.

If creators choose to follow said suggestions, that's cool. If not, then that's cool too. But I, for one, was certainly not demanding anything be done. Just expressing an opinion on a collection of works of fiction.

This is pretty much what I meant with my posts here. I'm really sorry that it came across as anything otherwise, and now I feel kind of shitty for saying anything. The mythos already exceeds my expectations for amateur storytelling, and I don't mean to act as a gatekeeper or anything like that.

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