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Crepes
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Wow these videos are creepy

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:12 pm
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wastelandenthusiast
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Hey guys, been on vacation this past week (camping) and have barely had computer access. I'll do my best to contribute to code breaking efforts this afternoon while I've got a few hours of wifi.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:27 pm
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Ketchup_Keith
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I'm wondering whether all the symbols besides the white square are the same height or not...

They're definitely significantly closer to each other, but looking at the "4" and the "9" in the bottom left of the video makes me wonder. The "9" symbol seems to be taller to me. It's just slight enough to make me wonder if it could matter or not.

Also, it looks like there's a "3" symbol missing above the leftmost white tower, but I'm guessing that's irrelevant as well?

Edit: Even the dashed lines we used to originally line up the pieces seem to have depth to them

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:33 pm
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wastelandenthusiast
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Black symbols are dots, white symbols are dashes?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:06 pm
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Kaliel
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Also, it looks like there's a "3" symbol missing above the leftmost white tower, but I'm guessing that's irrelevant as well?


That's actually a great catch. All the numbers line up with one place on our board except that 3 is missing. Is it an oversight on their part or important?

Edit: In today's episode of 'grasping at straws'. If you watch the new video frame by frame, and stop right when those towers are at their highest...doesn't it look like there's stuff on the front of them? Dashes? Numbers? Writing?

http://rowvid.com/?v=0G5p8c--uJs&t=2.11&s=1

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:17 pm
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Ketchup_Keith
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Kaliel wrote:
If you watch the new video frame by frame, and stop right when those towers are at their highest...doesn't it look like there's stuff on the front of them? Dashes? Numbers? Writing?


I was looking at that too. I believe it's just a glitch when rendering 3D objects... while I'm not willing to fully rule out anything just yet, I'm getting the feeling that our main piece of info is just that unexpected height of the white square.

Now if only we knew what the hell to do with that...

wastelandenthusiast wrote:
Black symbols are dots, white symbols are dashes?


That's a thought but honestly I don't think so. There'd be too many dots to make anything legible, and the symbols we already have align too well to the digits 0-9 for it to make sense to translate everything to Morse just to get more numbers, right?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:05 pm
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wastelandenthusiast
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Possible Eureka moment? I stared at the code for so long my eyes unfocused a bit, and I might have spotted something.

Look at the layout of the code. We're looking for a 13 digit number. The third row from the bottom looks like a decimal point: [img]http://imgur.com/a/djG60[/img] It's the only row that doesn't look random. It's twelve dotted symbols with a big period-like stop sign smack-bang in the middle.

If we look down the code, it will give us a number with 13 digits before the decimal point. Instead of each row being its own number, each row could be just one digit.

Maybe we add up each symbol in the row to make one bigger number: the first row would equal 49, then 4+9 is 13, 1+3 is 4. First digit could be 4?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:45 pm
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Ketchup_Keith
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I've been thinking along similar lines, wastelandenthusiast. It doesn't make too much sense to me that we'd only need one line of numbers and all the other ones are just there as red herrings... My only issue is that we haven't been given any reason to do any mathematical set of operations (like adding them as you said), and I'd hope we wouldn't be expected to arbitrarily guess that to be their intention. But a four in the first digit ought to be too high for our upper limit of 3,000,000,000 so we can rule that particular cipher out, at least.

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wastelandenthusiast
Boot

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So here's my current train of thought: each row is 1 digit, there are 13 rows before the decimal point and 2 rows after.

If the decimal point clue ANA sent us is exactly that, just a decimal point, it doesn't make sense that we've assigned number values to the black symbols. Is it 3333339333333 OR just a visual representation of a decimal point? Because clearly all 9s can't be decimal points.

Because tetrahertz frequencies have an upper limit of 3,000,000,000 the digit in the first row needs to be a 1, 2 or 3.

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Kaliel
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Ketchup_Keith wrote:
I've been thinking along similar lines, wastelandenthusiast. It doesn't make too much sense to me that we'd only need one line of numbers and all the other ones are just there as red herrings... My only issue is that we haven't been given any reason to do any mathematical set of operations (like adding them as you said), and I'd hope we wouldn't be expected to arbitrarily guess that to be their intention.


Thats my stumbling block, adding them together would totally give us a number, but so far every step we've done had a reason that made sense at the end.

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And if the decimal point clue ANA sent us is exactly that, just a decimal point, it doesn't make sense that we've assigned those symbols values. Is it 3333339333333 OR just a visual representation of a decimal point? Because clearly all 9s can't be decimal points.



This has been bugging me too actually. 9 having 2 meanings is a bit unusual.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:51 pm
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wastelandenthusiast
Boot

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I feel like I want to print out all the pieces and tack them to my wall, serial killer style.

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Ketchup_Keith
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I've got some red twine and thumbtacks, let's team up

Edit: Maybe we should try asking ANA some questions? Maybe she has a lead for us? I'll be out for most of the rest of the night so I won't be around to help sadly

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:11 pm
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Kaliel
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I sent in a question asking why they sent us the depth picture since I saw no use for it and if there was anything she more she could tell us.

Basically she said no. If they had more info they;d give it to us. and dont expect more info. I still like our

1,924,497,290,205.21

idea, myself.

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wastelandenthusiast
Boot

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Remind me again how you got that number, Kaliel?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:05 pm
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Kaliel
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It's the numbers you get if you read top to bottom (in the configuration of the images on page 3 of the thread) on the line where the 9 is on the decimal point line.

It required the map to be put into place . It uses the decimal clue. It fits in the range of 3GHz to 3THz for terrahertz radiation. It's the best idea I have.

Edit: That being said it does nothing with the depth clue.

If that depth clue is really important. Well I for one welcome our new trans-dimensional alien overlords. Get ready for the probing....

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