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Giskard
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Find the Rings

This looks like a nice puzzly thingie, scheduled to start 05-2004, or so the page says:

http://www.findtherings.com/

There's a short history of what happened to this page in the past days here.
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colin
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the game is starting up: "trailhead" is here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread50683/pg1

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colin
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for those of you playing at home, a puzzle is up:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread7250/pg1

Quote:
(1) Whoever has walked with truth generates life. (1)

UhW3QZWvU1SbUhWHQVWPUFSXUZKTMpOjcxezEJG7AdSTAZGnQRKLIBGHAZWbEhG/ElSTENGnERCPE5GXUdG/ApWfE9GfAlWbERCnE9CbEtGnA9WfElCzUdKHEtWfEhGbIBGnEJGPANWLUdGjEFCnUZ GXE5WbEBG7IBCnUdCrAxKDANSTE9GXEVWfERCfERKDQRGXElCPAlGnAhW3UZGnERCTAdWfAdCfUdKDEFCPUZGnEhCTEJGTEpSTElC3QRG7AlGbUdCbEZGTEpCfEpGnEVCrE9GbApWbEhG/EVGjUdCr AxKDANSTEZGnEJGTARCPANG3EFG3EVGDUdGPEtGrIJCfUdCfEFCTIJCjUdCPAdGTUZGfApWbAtG3UZGjE9GnQRGTA1CfUdG/ApWfApCzERWbEVCPE9GbExS/QROzE1GLERWbAtCrUZGXERCXEdGTAN GjERCTAdGPUZCvE1WbEhG/ElSTENG3AlKDApCPEtWbEVCfEVCXERaDQRSDUZC3E1G/ElWfA1GHARWfEBGvUZCXE5KHERGvEVCvE1WbAZCTApSTQBWbEhG/E9GfEZG7EhWfE1GjUdGXQRG3E1CXERWb EhCbE1GXANWbANCrUZGnERWbA1G3E9GnUdG/EdCnUZCfE1GnA9KDElGXUdGXEZGTUZGLE5CrQRGDElGjUdGnEVCPEVCbEtG3EVG/ElCjUdG/EJGvE1GLERWbANG3EpSTApGnAdGzUZGfE1GXAZGvEl STANG/QRCTIBCjERCTEVCPEVGLENWbAtCPUZCPApWbElGTUZCjE5aDQRSDUdGDEtWbAdGzERCfENWbAVGvAlCfApWbEFCXElGbUdCrAxGTUZGLERC7EhWfEhCfAZWbAhGjA1GXUdCPEFWfApCzEhCr QRG7IBCfUdG/ApWfAlGXUdG/EZWfURGfE1GPEBGTURSTEpGXEJWfElGrERKDEhCTEVGDEtC3QRGbEVGjE9GnEZWfApCzERKHQRGjIJGDUdCnERWfEVGLENWbAVG7IFCbIBKDAdW3gFa7ING7ANCPUZ CvApWbANGvIJSTEVG/EZWfIBGHAZWbA9GDUZCXE5KHEZGjEpCfApaDQRKnElC/ERKHAZGTARSTUxaHQRKbE5GHERCjAdCnUZCzEhCPQRCbEVGDIJGnAhWfAdCvANG7QRCPARGfANG7QRGbElGLERCT ANCPElGXUdKLAtGXElWL


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enaxor
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(1) Whoever has walked with truth generates life. (1)

The above quote is a Sumerian Proverb. The link below is to a list of proverbs.

http://ragz-international.com/sumerian%20proverbs.htm




edited to correct link
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 8:57 pm
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AnthraX101
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Anywho, if anyone really is playing, let me know, I'm working on it off and on Smile

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:34 am
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drlau
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I, too, am kind of off & on with this. (Not enough time, less than stellar crypto skills, etc.)

In addition to the puzzle that colin posted, there was another thread at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=42494 that "1" posted to (bottom of page), with the following:

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411416426427428425409416421414343421412430426357357357321359343415408426343411416412411357357357321430412343408425412343422421343422428425343422430421 357357357321409412343410412425427408416421343432422428425426343408425412343426408413412357357357321430412343420428426427343410412408426412343410422420 420428421416410408427416422421426357357357321427415412425412343408425412343413422428425343413408410427416422421426357357357321430415422343415408429412 343426428425429416429412411357357357321414428427416408421357357357321408420422425416427412357357357321426428420412425416408421357357357321415408420420 428425408409416357357357321427430422343415408429412343408410427416429412343408414412421427426343430422425418416421414343408414408416421426427343428426 357357357321427415412343422427415412425343427430422343408425412343413422425420416421414343408421343408419416408421410412357357357321423419412408426412 343410422421413416425420343426408413412427432357357357321408429422416411343410422421427408410427357357357321411412426427425422432343432422428425343410 422420423428427412425343430415412421343432422428343425412408411343427415416426357357357321384343430416419419343409412414416421343427415412343419422421 414343426416419412421427343422423427416422421357357357


Anyone want to take a stab at these?

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 2:25 pm
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AnthraX101
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Number two, solved the same way as last time:

Quote:
disturbing news... 0 has died... we are on our own... be certain yours are safe... we must cease communications... there are four factions... who have survived... gutian... amorite... sumerian... hammurabi... two have active agents working against us... the other two are forming an aliance... please confirm safety... avoid contact... destroy your computer when you read this... I will begin the long silent option...


Number one remains to be seen...

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 5:50 pm
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colin
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more on "(1) Whoever has walked with truth generates life. (1) " code
breaking it up into pairs looks promising
Quote:
Uh W3 QZ Wv U1 Sb Uh WH QV WP UF SX UZ KT Mp Oj cx ez EJ G7 Ad ST AZ Gn QR KL IB GH AZ Wb Eh G/
El ST EN Gn ER CP E5 GX Ud G/
Ap Wf E9 Gf Al Wb ER Cn E9 Cb Et Gn A9 Wf El Cz Ud KH Et Wf Eh Gb IB Gn EJ GP AN WL Ud Gj EF Cn UZ GX E5 Wb EB G7 IB Cn Ud Cr Ax KD AN ST E9 GX EV Wf ER Cf ER KD QR GX El CP Al Gn Ah W3 UZ Gn ER CT Ad Wf Ad Cf Ud KD EF CP UZ Gn Eh CT EJ GT Ep ST El C3 QR G7 Al Gb Ud Cb EZ GT Ep Cf Ep Gn EV Cr E9 Gb Ap Wb Eh G/
EV Gj Ud Cr Ax KD AN ST EZ Gn EJ GT AR CP AN G3 EF G3 EV GD Ud GP Et Gr IJ Cf Ud Cf EF CT IJ Cj Ud CP Ad GT UZ Gf Ap Wb At G3 UZ Gj E9 Gn QR GT A1 Cf Ud G/
Ap Wf Ap Cz ER Wb EV CP E9 Gb Ex S/
QR Oz E1 GL ER Wb At Cr UZ GX ER CX Ed GT AN Gj ER CT Ad GP UZ Cv E1 Wb Eh G/
El ST EN G3 Al KD Ap CP Et Wb EV Cf EV CX ER aD QR SD UZ C3 E1 G/
El Wf A1 GH AR Wf EB Gv UZ CX E5 KH ER Gv EV Cv E1 Wb AZ CT Ap ST QB Wb Eh G/
E9 Gf EZ G7 Eh Wf E1 Gj Ud GX QR G3 E1 CX ER Wb Eh Cb E1 GX AN Wb AN Cr UZ Gn ER Wb A1 G3 E9 Gn Ud G/
Ed Cn UZ Cf E1 Gn A9 KD El GX Ud GX EZ GT UZ GL E5 Cr QR GD El Gj Ud Gn EV CP EV Cb Et G3 EV G/
El Cj Ud G/
EJ Gv E1 GL ER Wb AN G3 Ep ST Ap Gn Ad Gz UZ Gf E1 GX AZ Gv El ST AN G/
QR CT IB Cj ER CT EV CP EV GL EN Wb At CP UZ CP Ap Wb El GT UZ Cj E5 aD QR SD Ud GD Et Wb Ad Gz ER Cf EN Wb AV Gv Al Cf Ap Wb EF CX El Gb Ud Cr Ax GT UZ GL ER C7 Eh Wf Eh Cf AZ Wb Ah Gj A1 GX Ud CP EF Wf Ap Cz Eh Cr QR G7 IB Cf Ud G/
Ap Wf Al GX Ud G/
EZ Wf UR Gf E1 GP EB GT UR ST Ep GX EJ Wf El Gr ER KD Eh CT EV GD Et C3 QR Gb EV Gj E9 Gn EZ Wf Ap Cz ER KH QR Gj IJ GD Ud Cn ER Wf EV GL EN Wb AV G7 IF Cb IB KD Ad W3 gF a7 IN G7 AN CP UZ Cv Ap Wb AN Gv IJ ST EV G/
EZ Wf IB GH AZ Wb A9 GD UZ CX E5 KH EZ Gj Ep Cf Ap aD QR Kn El C/
ER KH AZ GT AR ST Ux aH QR Kb E5 GH ER Cj Ad Cn UZ Cz Eh CP QR Cb EV GD IJ Gn Ah Wf Ad Cv AN G7 QR CP AR Gf AN G7 QR Gb El GL ER CT AN CP El GX Ud KL At GX El WL

i don't have a frequency analysis program Sad from observation some of the things that look good are; 'g/' occurs regularly; all number occur at the backend of the pair eg. <char><digit>

(I put line breaks in where there is a slash. fyi)

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I belive we may have a solution (or a step that way).......A bunch of us from uni have worked all day on it and I was texted we had a break through on the bus home.....I think we may have a break through (AFTER MANY FAILED THEORIES)....someone expanded on a theory that we had early in the day and found an interesting pattern....

One Moment while I check it through and i'll have the results up....

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Definitely a pattern.....just checking how you'd use it....

PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 2:20 am
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Ok got a pattern but no idea how to use it......

This is what we got so far (Go team White Knight)

If you split the code into >4< character long groups and look at where in each group letters are placed you'll notice a pattern For example:

Capital G is always in the 3rd group.
Capital U is always in first place as is Capital A.
Etc

If you list the characters with there place you get something like this(this one has 3 or 4 spots filled in for characters not in the code but it follows the pattern).....

A-1
B-2
C-3
D-4
E-1
F-2
G-3
H-4
I-1
J-2
K-3
L-4
M-1
N-2
O-3
P-4
Q-1
R-2
S-3
T-4
U-1
V-2
W-3
X-4
Y-1
Z-2
a-3
b-4
c-1
d-2
e-3
f-4
g-1
h-2
i-3
j-4
k-1
l-2
m-3
n-4
o-1
p-2
q-3
r-4
s-1
t-2
u-3
v-4
w-1
x-2
y-3
z-4

As can be seen Definite pattern......I think the big block of what we though is 'code' is actualy a very sneakly disguised Key.....As far as we've got......

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I'm not playing just following along as you guys crack these things. I'm hoping to learn something. Very Happy

I just wanted to add, if you break it into the 4 character pattern the numbers 1,3,5,7,9, all appear in the same positions through out also, but I'm sure you already noticed this.

1-2
3-4
5-2
7-4
9-2
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Clue Site

PurdueNuc at Above Top Secret has a website where all the clues and solutions found so far are listed.

https://engineering.purdue.edu/people/kevin.m.retzke.1/FTR

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Justin_Case
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Thoughts

Concerning the "(1) Whoever has walked with truth generates life. (1) " code:

-Speaking of patterns, with the notable exception of "jcxez" (1st line) and "xa" (last line), every second letter is a capital, seems odd to me.

-Splitting in groups is a good idea, but keep in mind there are a five spaces in there, as in "EVGjUdCr AxKDANSTEZ", "XEdGTAN GjERCTAdG", "XERWb EhCbE1", "AZGvEl STANG/" and "LERCT ANCPElG". (I verified the original post, the spaces are there)

B64 seems likely, i've started ROTing the strings in the hopes of getting a hit, but is it me, or would b64 never give spaces in it's encoding?

Justin "doubt" Case

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colin wrote:

i don't have a frequency analysis program Sad from observation some of the things that look good are; 'g/' occurs regularly; all number occur at the backend of the pair eg. <char><digit>

(I put line breaks in where there is a slash. fyi)


Colin, didn't you find a webpage that does frequency analysis and you found some interesting patterns with the odds/evens? Basically the message consists of an "odd" letter followed by an "even" letter, over and over and over again. Since odd/even generally describe numbers, we can define it by taking the alphabet (and appending the numbers to the end) so that you have "ABCDE...WXYZ012...89" and go through it saying "A" is odd, "B" is even, "C" is odd, "D" is even, etc. Basically, you have something like this (where the first line is "odd" and the second is "even"):
Code:
ACEGIKMOQSUWY02468
BDFHJLNPRTVXZ13579


So the message consists of a letter from the first line, a letter from the second, a letter from the first, second, first, etc. This does not exactly take lowercase letters or the slash into account. Nor does it explain how to use the pattern, it's just an interesting pattern.

Personally, I tried splitting the two lines into two different axes on a grid, then filling the grid with various things. I did not spend a whole lot of time on it, but did not come up with anything particularly interesting.
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