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Shad0
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UPDATE

Lysithea wrote:
The raadsel 8 page has been updated with a clue.

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letters are red, numbers are green
the twelve that change colors look like sixteen


Another update, another clue!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
thirtysix squares, but only twelve change
the colorful background should help you decide
number or letter, the twelve you arrange
the final pairs of numbers reveals what's inside


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Re: UPDATE

Shad0 wrote:
Lysithea wrote:
The raadsel 8 page has been updated with a clue.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
letters are red, numbers are green
the twelve that change colors look like sixteen


Another update, another clue!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
thirtysix squares, but only twelve change
the colorful background should help you decide
number or letter, the twelve you arrange
the final pairs of numbers reveals what's inside


But letters AREN'T red and numbers AREN't green. Very confusing. Should be we subbing numbers for the green and vice versa for the red? And of course we can't just make pairs out the colors because there are 7 red and 5 green.
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Re: UPDATE

aliendial wrote:

But letters AREN'T red and numbers AREN't green. Very confusing. Should be we subbing numbers for the green and vice versa for the red? And of course we can't just make pairs out the colors because there are 7 red and 5 green.


I think you can get the red to be letters and green to be numbers; in fact, I'm inclined to think we're supposed to do so because everything is within the range (up to f=6, and to 6=f). So, you'd get: red: b,a,d,e,b,f,c and green: 4,6,0,5,3. The problem (aside from no clear way of combining them) is that - I think - the hint says that the final pair will be of numbers only (no letters), but there are more letters (red, 7) than there are numbers (green, 5).
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"twelve that change colors" - could that mean only the squares that trigger a change (those outlined in blue on giskard's illustration). As we noted in #UF, the twelve triggers are exactly two per line and two per column. But how to get from those pairs to "16" I dunno. Now if the hint said 17, that would be different. But probably no more useful. Confused

"letters are red, numbers are green" - use only the red letters and green numbers? = b,c,0,3

Added in the hope of triggering a eureka moment for someone else, cuz it's not doing it for me . . .
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or the incredibly simplistic way - if you convert every colored square to a number, you get many doubles except 1 and 0: 6-6-5-5-4-4-3-3-2-2-1-0

Coincidence? How to restate in the format of the pairs page?
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New clue:

Quote:
thirty six squares, numbered one to thirty six
twelve that change colors with certain mouse clicks
if letters are red and numbers are green
and you put them in order they look like sixteen
one step remains and its basically clear
make them thirty six, the new page appears


I get the feeling that this clue is practically spelling it out for us... I still have no idea how though Smile
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Quote:
thirty six squares, numbered one to thirty six
twelve that change colors with certain mouse clicks
if letters are red and numbers are green
and you put them in order they look like sixteen
one step remains and its basically clear
make them thirty six, the new page appears

It seems to me that somehow want 16 letters/numbers, double them (by pairing? by hex conversion?) to 32, then add "html" for a total of 36--but this is just a guess. Now, how to use the "36121636" in the background?

Also, I have also found it easier for me to visualize how the grid behaves with the following table:
Code:

01 e g
02 x   06
03 5 r 
04 b r 04
05 a   
06 d g
07 1 r 07
08 i   
09 f g 09
10 n   
11 k   
12 8   
13 l   
14 0 g 14
15 t   
16 7   
17 s   19
18 j   
19 4 r
20 g   
21 u   03
22 o   
23 r   
24 2   24
25 m   26
26 6 r
27 v   
28 q   
29 3 g 29
30 y   
31 9   
32 w   
33 p   
34 c r 34
35 k   
36 z   01

The columns are:
1st: square number
2nd: what letter appears on the square
3rd: if/when the square lights up, what color is it (red/green)
4th: mouseover causes this square number to light up
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This is not going to be of any help, but here is how I interpret the clue and the background: 36121636:
36 = thirty six squares, numbered one to thirty six
12 = twelve that change colors with certain mouse clicks
16 = put them in order they look like sixteen
36 = one step remains and its basically clear
make them thirty six, the new page appears

I think we're only supposed to use the 12 that are the output - because we know that "letters are red, numbers are green"; if we used the inputs (which are white), what would they be?
16 is just saying again that it's hex (why they feel the need to keep saying it, I have no idea). "Put them in order so they look like hex". What order? The order in which they light up? That's basically the only hint I'd like - as to the order.
The last one is hilarious - "basically clear" - I think that is referring to "hex --> text". Um, yeah, well, but how do we get the pairs in the first place? On what basis do we combine?
Make them 36, I think, means "convert to text", except that the page name might have numbers as well (therefore, 26 and 10) - which is nice, because so far they don't fit within the ranges of just letters.

But, like I sad - this isn't really of any help.
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Looks to me like you may have to use the number of the square....but I've never been good with directions.

Anyway here are the light ups with their square number converted:

GREEN - Numbers
1e 6d 9f 140 293
15 64 96 140 293


RED - Letters
194 35 266 4b 71 242 34c
19d 3e 26f 4b 7a 24b 34c


Maybe someone can do sumpin with it.

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Giskard
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This puzzle is bugging me... I'm trying to take a look at the hint line by line, because I want to understand what it is about...

Quote:
thirty six squares, numbered one to thirty six


This seems to point us to the fact that the squares are numbered and maybe we should use their square numbers instead of their content.

Quote:
twelve that change colors with certain mouse clicks


This is strange because it's not done by mouseclicks, just mouseOvers. This might indicate that we need to look at the trigger-blocks and not the triggered-blocks...

These are squares 2, 9, 14, 29 and 36 for green, and 4, 7, 17, 21, 24, 25 and 34 for red.

Quote:
if letters are red and numbers are green


I still have no clue what this means... there is no possible way of looking at a collection of squares either red or green that turns out ONLY numbers or ONLY letters...

Quote:
and you put them in order they look like sixteen
one step remains and its basically clear
make them thirty six, the new page appears


Basically clear... uhuh Smile
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Quote:

GREEN - Numbers
1e 6d 9f 140 293
15 64 96 140 293

RED - Letters
194 35 266 4b 71 242 34c
19d 3e 26f 4b 7a 24b 34c


If you wanted to 'make them thirty six', perhaps you could convert everything to a 3-digit number:
Code:

015 064 096 140 293
194 035 266 042 071 242 343


But that doesn't get us much further, since I can't see an easy way to convert them into a filename (if you tried a straight ascii conversion, you'd end up with gibberish)

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Giskard wrote:

Quote:
twelve that change colors with certain mouse clicks


This is strange because it's not done by mouseclicks, just mouseOvers. This might indicate that we need to look at the trigger-blocks and not the triggered-blocks...

These are squares 2, 9, 14, 29 and 36 for green, and 4, 7, 17, 21, 24, 25 and 34 for red.


Can't be sure, but i'd think clicks was chosen solely to rhyme with six, it would also explain the "basically clear" comment (rhymes with appear)...

Just trying to keep it simple Wink

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It is interesting to note that the values that light up are all valid hex digits (e5b1df0463c), making me wonder if everything else on the grid is more-or-less a red herring. Since there are eleven digits (which, being an odd number, does not translate to a set of 8-bit values) and because putting them in order leads to non-printable ASCII, it seems to me that [assuming the answer is hex->ASCII] there are likely a number of repeat digits--probably indicated in some way by the mouseover actions and/or colors.
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BriEnigma wrote:
It is interesting to note that the values that light up are all valid hex digits (e5b1df0463c), making me wonder if everything else on the grid is more-or-less a red herring. Since there are eleven digits (which, being an odd number, does not translate to a set of 8-bit values) and because putting them in order leads to non-printable ASCII, it seems to me that [assuming the answer is hex->ASCII] there are likely a number of repeat digits--probably indicated in some way by the mouseover actions and/or colors.


Eleven? There are twelve digits, right? 7 red, 5 green? [EDIT]
You're missing "2". [/EDIT]

I think a lot of possible hex combinations have been tried but didn't turn anything up, mostly because the related ASCII values were things like 'carriage return' instead of plainly symbols Sad

Also, in this theory, it seems that the color of the square does not longer play a role, which seems odd... still I think trying to link it to hex is the best way to go ("not 12 but 16...")
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Giskard wrote:
Eleven? There are twelve digits, right? 7 red, 5 green? [EDIT]You're missing "2". [/EDIT]

Oops... Yes, I forgot to mark 2 as either red or green in my notes and used that column to make the list.

Giskard wrote:
I think a lot of possible hex combinations have been tried but didn't turn anything up.... Also, in this theory, it seems that the color of the square does not longer play a role, which seems odd... still I think trying to link it to hex is the best way to go ("not 12 but 16...")

I had only posed that the light-up squares were entirely hex characters, but had not gone so far as to suggest a specific ordering for them (suggesting that it was related to the mouseovers, positions, colors, etc.) I am coming into this a bit late, so only have what has been mentioned in the message board to go on right now.
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