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[Wishi-san]

I kinda agree with that point. Things are hidden in html and things can be hidden in flash...

[Giskard]

So it looks like the 'Horah!' is in the original flash as well and thus not related to the ARGN ARG

Btw, Horah could be a play on hora, the Latin word for hour.

"Hora!" or "Hora est!" are sometimes used for "It is time!".

[phi]

On the note of reverse engineering flash documents... Myself along with a number others (as this thread seems to demonstrate) see looking in a flash document to be akin to looking in an HTML document.

The issue lies not with us but with the quiz masters. Many QMs consider circumventing the puzzle in the flash, and going straight for the code to find the answer, to be cheating. Hidden data in an HTML document is seen a common way of hiding clues, but if something has been done in flash/shockwave then it is intended that the player focuses only on the flash interface prsented to them. I say if you can get to the data, then that is just another method of problem solving. The end result is that a Flash document becomes just another form of stenography.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this issue.

[AnthraX101]

[krystyn]

It's a tricky line to keep balanced on, but some of the reasoning behind not decompiling Flash files was hashed out during the Beast. There was a puzzle at the sleep clinic site that was solved immediately by someone decompiling, and of course they shared with everyone, and it was considered a victory over that puzzle.

However, the actual solution to the puzzle, like many things in that game, lent more of a feeling and empathy for the characters, and gave a fuller and richer sense of the story. By circumventing that with a decompile, the players lost out on that piece of ambience and immersion, which is sort of a shame. After the fact, several people, IIRC, tried to work backwards and work the logic of the puzzle as it was originally supposed to be played, but there was little interest in that, as it was solved, and there were new pieces of information and puzzles being released all the time.

I suppose you could liken it to taking a big ol' nutritional pill for dinner, instead of savoring the delicately steamed vegetables and perfectly-done medium well filet mignon served to you by candlelight. Or something. You've still got the 'benefit' of your meal, but hardly any of the taste, ambience, or emotional satiation.

[phi]

I see exactly what you mean.

If you are in the ARG for the AR and you manage to circumvent a puzzle then it's like skipping a road-trip and teleporting straight to the destination.
Sure you are at the destination... but you haven't had the road-trip, so in a way you have failed.

In this case I suppose it goes from Alternate Reality Gaming to Puzzle Solver Gaming.

[phi]

Now that's a lot of metaphors!

[Giskard]

When discussing this subject in general, I agree with Krystyn completely. However, in this specific case, I think Steve won't mind decompiling at all... after all he wrote:

[phi]

the page has been changed again... check the source to remove any confusion.

[phi]

BTW... that clock it totally wrong. I'm in GMT and it says 4 hours when it should say 11

[konamouse]

[Varin]

[aliendial]

Hmmm.

wine-tasting <> game launch

game launch <> wine tasting

how to choose???

[Giskard]

[aliendial]