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[ubercado]

[Halo 2] The BANHAMMER Falleth...and stuff...

[weephun]

Counterpoint. I hate to agree with my friend here, but on a lot of points I do.

[fugitivesoldier]

Bungie saw the threat of softmods, seeing as how they said they knew of their "recreational" use on Halo 1.

The only way to stop it though is to ban Xboxes (not account names).

That, or don't make new maps, which wouldn't be much fun.

People aren't nice enough in this world to allow for a quality ranked system of play.

It's a good ideal, but people are idiots.

There's also the issue of Bungie only having what, 80 employees? Half of which aren't even on the multiplayer design team, if not more.

Will it eventually come down to first time offenders getting a complete ban? Maybe, but Bungie seems content to allow some last shreds of forgiveness despite the crap.

If Bungie moves to a total punishment mindset, personally i wouldn't care, but it sure shows just how rotten people have become over digital numbers.

[weephun]

[rufo]

I have to admit, I have some hope for the autoupdate next week. I'm hoping they'll do some sort of hashing type thing, i.e., check the maps on every single Xbox on every single game to make sure they're identical to a hash that Xbox Live provides, and if not, BANHAMMER. That would hopefully stop all the modding at least, and that's the most prevalant problem (I haven't been standbyed to any good effect in quite a long while... laggy games and droppers, sure, but not standbyed to my knowledge).

But I would agree that the statistics regarding how many players have been banned to date rather sobering. Essentially, there's so many players and enough Halo hacking knowledge, and the hoops that Bungie must jump through to release an update so difficult, that Bungie's basically going to be behind any cheating developments that might happen in the future (assuming the next update DOES take care of the modding problem, which we will see about).

[vortech]

For however it may affect your mood, as I read it the 3,200 were the Bungie bans, which does not include the XBL bans; feedback only goes to XBL, not Bungie.

[SuperJerms]

As much as the frustration weephun's friend feels is valid and (on some levels) mirrored by all of us, this seems like a case of hey-fella-I-don't-come-to-your-job-and-tell-you-how-to-flip-hamburgers syndrome. Bungie could not possibly have seen every conceivable cheat coming and worked around it. Folks gripe about development time then gripe about lacking features. Testing can only take you so far, all games have flaws, and they are spending time and money fixing the most grevious ones.

It's not like the patches were fixing a game that was very buggy at release (something that can't be said of almost every single PC game made in the last decade). People put their creative energies into breaking the game, bungie is taking the (unobligated) step of closing off those problems, and the next fix is in the pipeline.

The fix will come, and people will figure out a different way to be jerkoffs (beyond the tk'ing, racism, whining and bitching). Bungie can't be blamed because people are buttholes.

Not to mention that the friend didn't seem to notice the autoupdate coming...it sounds like it will do to map modding what the last one did to standbying. And seriously, are we really discussing standby as a serious problem anymore? I don't think any of us have been affected by standby post-update in a serious enough way to decrease the enjoyment of the game.

edit: one last thing. There is a notable duality that we get angry because cheaters are, "Doing all of this just for a stupid digital number." If it made us that upset and the number meant so little, we would drop at the first sign of cheating, leave feedback, and enter a new game...we hardly ever do because we don't want to lose our littled digital number.

[krystyn]

[ubersaurus]

The autoupdate got pushed back due to the discovery of a glitch that corrupted save files.

It's back into testing, so it could be another week or two. However, the indication I got is that it WILL fix the Relic teleporter glitch, so we won't have to deal with that for very long.

[Incitatus]

Really Now, Are you so proud of your Rank that it will be placed on what? a resume'?
Mabey You will have it tatooed?

really, there are not THAT many Cheaters out there, though i have heard there have been more latly.
If you get really frustrated, stick to the time tested method of playing people you know, IE beekeepers.

Hell that's all I ever do, I'm a rank 4, And i love every damn minute of play.

[Tiny]

Ok, The amount of cheaters out there lately is actually insane compared to any thing before the nwe modders. If I go and play two hours of Matchmaking, say about 10 or 15 games, I gurantee I will run into at least 4 modders, possibly more. That's just rumble pit. There's waay more modders in all the other catagories and thank god I don't play those all that often. Right before I left we had that night where I was modded three games in a row in big team. After already being modded three or four times in rumble pit and head to head before I joined up with everyone who was playing big team. I don't go a day without playing at least 3 modders. Before the new maps I got standbyed and Dummy'd like once a week. I dont' even run into that many people super jumping, and Bungie says that's legal!
Now, I'm not uber-proud of my rank, though I do like it. So it still pisses me off that people like this ruin the gameplay and we get penalized for it. It's just damned annoying that people completely disregard the rules.
Tj-

[thunderclap8]

My perspective on cheaters:


It comes down to an issue of time for me - I have very little of it free. When I log into Halo 2, I want to sit back (or forward) and relax with a few rounds. I don't particularly care about what my rank is, so the cheating doesn't bother me in that respect. The cheaters are the ones wasting their time on a pointless number. But the problem is, they also waste my time in the process.

When I have time in my day for just three games and they get ruined, I get pissed. If I had more free time, it probably wouldn't bother me as much.

Plus, the cheaters are stereotypically the kind of antisocial reprobates that deserve whatever Hellfire Bungie can rain down upon them. Even before they cheated.

[ubersaurus]

I still haven't seen any cheating. Maybe it's because I stay out of big team battles, on account of never having enough people I'm comfortable enough with to actually win. But I've never a single map modder, and only got standbyed a few times before the autoupdate.

[weephun]

[water10]