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[Manchurian] The Manchurian Candidate
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Grimakus
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 		Manchurian Voice Recognition Game
[TROUT] (was INFO)

It appears as though there is an ARG set for The Manchurian Candidate after all:

http://www.manchuriangame.com/home.php

Interesting.

Edit: Trouted myself.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:49 pm
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Grimakus
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 		Interesting Find
I found the following while searching for websites that link to the M.G. site. It's a Google cache, so please excuse the length of the URL: I won't excuse, I'll merely edit URL

EDIT - URL - SG

EDIT - TROUT

PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:00 am
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Grimakus
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 		Re: Dr. Atticus Noyle
YoungFreud wrote:


There's something bizarre about that video. There's a subliminal overlay of Noyle. I think it's Noyle himself, but in some of them, it looks like another person.



I rummaged around and discovered the location of the .swf file that's running the movie, located at noyle.html. From there, I viewed source and extracted the source swf for the video--p_noyle2frame.swf. Further sleuthing into the data structure of p_noyle2frame.swf revealed that there are in fact two different swf files utilized, the more important of the two being p_noyle2_sound.swf.

This file contains the movie clips as well as dialogue tracks, whereas p_noyle2frame.swf is merely the frame and buttons for the flash video player.

Running p_noyle2_sound.swf through Flash MX and Sothink SWF Decompiler provided some very interesting data. I managed to filter out the primary video clip, leaving in place the audio track and frames used to create the "subliminal" track, the result being the file attached to this message.

Thus far, the results have been interesting, and I am currently working on converting the subliminal track frames over to JPEG. Though I may have issues with extracting the sound files for further study. I'll get to work on that as soon as possible.

Edit: No clue on attaching files..

PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:03 am
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Grimakus
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 		I've extracted all of the subliminal frames from the fla file I produced using p_noyle2_sound.swf and converted them over to jpeg.

Aside from that, here is a bit of Info on our movie file:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

1. It runs at 12 frames per second at a resolution of 550x400.
2. There are a total of 2197 frames spanning a period of 183 seconds.
3. There are a total of 119 subliminal frames comprised of three different images in 15 clusters.
4. Thesubliminal images are all frames taken from the normal video track that have been visually altered to some degree. Each frame contains Dr. Noyse.
5. Frame 1283 of the subliminal track contains the cleanest image that has been visually altered. Conversely, frames 1276 through 1283 also contain the loudest subliminal sound in the movie as well.


Attached is frame 1283 of the file. I would include the fla file I used to extract the image, but it is 6.83mb and I can't seem to upload that much, lol. Anyways, I'll keep adding more as time permits.

I hope all this work was enough, because it's 5:40 am and I've been at it for hours Very Happy

Just my two cents worth,
Grimakus

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Grimakus
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 		Subliminal Audio Track
Just finished converting the subliminal audio track to mp3.

Here you go....

Gah. I guess I'll have to host it myself, lol.

I'll get you a link later.

I'm truly tired now.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:11 am
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fathamburger
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 		You know you can change layouts on the main site with the little arrows bottom right..

anyway under the raymond prentice shaw layout eventually you can get to a 4 square pop up that will have questions you can answer and there'll be a password prompt. The password (hint : digits) has popped up all over the place and all over the site so should not be too difficult. Whats fascinating is that afterwards you get a new video (not seen in the trailer), the same doctor but this time the subliminal voice says what I think sounds like "punishment or death" or "punishment of death". Same flashes like the other video on manchurianglobal.com

anyway I googled it, got captial punishment of course. Tried that with punishment or death and various permutations to try and login to the extranet. Nothing. Maybe this is a useful piece in someone else's puzzle Smile

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Kilroy

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 		Robinett on ADDR
I can see that projectc.net and mike-robinnet have the same host... ns1.addr.net (or something of the sort). I don't think robinett is a real bloke.

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Caleb
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fathamburger wrote:
You know you can change layouts on the main site with the little arrows bottom right..


Are you talking about the voice game or the Manchurian Global site? The closest thing I see to little arrows are the news links on the index page. The the rightmost bottom arrow links to a story about Manchurian Global investing in Pan Asian power grid.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:48 am
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 		I watched the flashes myself...

And I wanted to put a couple more ideas out.

The string 75435 on the movie website appears in both the Shaw and the Marco flashes

In the Marco flash, it appears as part of a longer sequence in one part

PQ4302
1502
AL24
75435

In the AL24 string, the 4 is slightly more bolded than the rest of the letters, and the 75435 were bolder than that.

Another string I saw was CQ 35-4 with possibly an "L" following the 4

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fathamburger
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 		Heres some good spec/info.. I no longer have the time to follow it up for the next week or so..

firstly.

On the audio on the video, its simple, it only slows down and plays the background slurred noise at "just as we have" and at "The noble tomato". Now at the point where he says "losing flavour" or around there, if you move the slider slowly you get another sound that sounds like slurred "inch about that" ? or "just about that"? I tried recording this and playing it backwads, speed up/slowdown in Goldwave but my recording quality was too poor and was going no where.

Secondly since the video takes us to the trailer, we're assuming its promotional BUT. One thing I noticed while watching the movie was that Denzel prior to electroshock writes things on his hand to remember when he wakes up, you only see it for a brief moment but it is also in the trailer for a brief moment too. It says firstly El Dorado, Rosie (thats her phone number) and Manchurian Global. Later when he wakes up, it only says Manchurian Global..

If someone watches the movie again, can they verify the exact number she gives him? It was a classic line from the first movie, but El Dorado means a phone exchange or so (I think, Im not an American).

according to my notes the number works out to be 353 67236 (just using the letters) which is an odd number.. not the usual format, and I got the area code 864 from somewhere.. googling around, not sure where but it was a write up about the phone number. Can someone with long distance call that number and see if its Rosie? or the next step we are looking for?

hopefully this will get us past this wall

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:15 pm
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5th Earth
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 		Re: Dr. Atticus Noyle
Grimakus wrote:
YoungFreud wrote:


There's something bizarre about that video. There's a subliminal overlay of Noyle. I think it's Noyle himself, but in some of them, it looks like another person.



I rummaged around and discovered the location of the .swf file that's running the movie, located at noyle.html. From there, I viewed source and extracted the source swf for the video--p_noyle2frame.swf. Further sleuthing into the data structure of p_noyle2frame.swf revealed that there are in fact two different swf files utilized, the more important of the two being p_noyle2_sound.swf.

This file contains the movie clips as well as dialogue tracks, whereas p_noyle2frame.swf is merely the frame and buttons for the flash video player.

Running p_noyle2_sound.swf through Flash MX and Sothink SWF Decompiler provided some very interesting data. I managed to filter out the primary video clip, leaving in place the audio track and frames used to create the "subliminal" track, the result being the file attached to this message.

Thus far, the results have been interesting, and I am currently working on converting the subliminal track frames over to JPEG. Though I may have issues with extracting the sound files for further study. I'll get to work on that as soon as possible.

Edit: No clue on attaching files..


Minor point--p_noyle2_sound appears to be improperly interlaced, a reasonably common error in digital video that has been converted from one format to another, in particular from video formats like VHS or DVD. Anime is notorious for interlacing issues. You can see this when he moves dramatically, you get lots of ugly horizontal lines where the two interlaced frames are updating in the wrong order. However, the video appears to be improperly interlaced, then compressed ON TOP of the improper interlacing--something that is rather rarer and requires an unusual amount of screwing up on somebody's part.

Unfortunately once it's been compressed on top of the interlacing it's hard to undo, and if it's been rescaled after the inproper interlacing (very propable) it's essentially impossible to fix. Anyway, it's probably not important--I can't seen how you could hide anything this way that wouldn't be reasonably obvious otherwise--as in, more obvious than the subliminal stuff already noted.
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 		the phone number
I think the telephone number she gives is EL 59770.

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Kilroy

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 		phone numbers
I've tried 864-355-9770 and 864-Eldorado and both numbers are non-working / disconnected.

There doesn't seem to be much interest in this game... if it is a game... is there another board with more info anywhere?

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mst3k_freak
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 		Still kicking
I've still gotten no response from Robinette, just so you know, except for that weird blank email.

I've looked through the first 25 or so of the MKULTRA documents on his website. Many of the documents are repeated, and they are clearly out of order.

Also, if you go here:

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c101.htm

there is a title, some horizontal lines, a link at the bottom for the next page, previous page, etc. If you click the link to the next page, all that's there is the gif of the page. The title and links are gone:

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c102.htm

Also, this page is aligned to the left, but other pages, like 150, are aligned to the right.

And, up to page 150, the title of the pages are "Declassified". Then pages 151 and 152 are titled "Page 151" and "Page 152" respectively. After that, the following pages are titled "HTML Page - Created by QText". Another weird thing is that the "d" in the <HEAD> tags is lower case, and when the titles change to the QText messages, the "i" in the <TITLE> tag is lower case. I mean, it looks like he just got tired of including the links and titles on each page, but how hard is it to cut and paste? Plus, why would he make those two letters lower case? It doesn't make sense.

This was just a quick survey. If there is some pattern to the out-of-sequence documents on Robinette's site, that's asking alot, since there about three hundred document images. Also, I came across this one, which seemed particularly odd:

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c202.htm

Googling QText makes it look like it has something to do with building webpages in Hebrew. Maybe the the key lies in the Hebrew versions of Robinette's site.

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5th Earth
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 		Some pages have other letters in their tags lowercase.

Check out this page:

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c073.htm

Some googling reveals that the MKULTRA project was real, and involved CIA expiriments testing the use of LSD as a mind-control drug. This page even indirectly refers to "The Manchurian Candidate".

Given the the files are A: real, and B: available elsewhere, the key, if any, must lie in the construction of the pages.
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