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[SPEC] Theory: Rampancy?
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Digerat_X
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 		I noticed the same thing myself, and I think you're onto something. Perhaps something is going to happen after her "last ditch attempt" she keeps talking about (where she is going to try to save the site one more time before she leaves) and when it happens it will cause her to be unable to go. This might infuriate her... of course there are an innumerable list of things that could infuriate her. I think it's definitely something to watch for. She already uses repeating phrases such as "processing" instead of thinking that make her sound less human.
Also, perhaps SPiDeR is repairing a RAMPANT AI that is trying to harness the WWW as it's planetary network to expand? If this was the case, then perhaps the AI was damaged originally by someone who was trying to stop it and nearly succeeded. This would explain the dire warning not to interfere. I think the AI is more afraid of us intervening than we are... Perhaps there are weaknesses in the system we should be looking for as well.

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I hope I didn't trout anything severely in this post, I'm just trying to sum it all up together. If there's anything that is totally redundant just let me know and I'll edit it out.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:57 am
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Thock.ii
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 		Re: Just who's the AI here?
skia wrote:
Here's an odd thing, though. The Operator doesn't seem very melancholy. Maybe it won't start until Network Throttling Erodes.

You know who does seem very melancholy, though? Dana.

From dictionary.com:
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mel·an·cho·li·a n.
A mental disorder characterized by severe depression, guilt, hopelessness, and withdrawal.


from ilovebees.blogsite:
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The trip is hard to defend. Beijing is the first stop on an open-ended backpacking trip through East/Southeast Asia, a trip I have no good reason to be taking... except... I've been "home" — in one way or another — for 22 years now, and absolutely everywhere I go is already drenched with my own history.

I'm tired of being so...known.

So I guess you could say that the point of this trip is to make the stone stony. And I'm the stone. And I'll come back whenever I'm unfamiliar enough that it won't feel anymore like home has reached its saturation point of me.


http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4850&sid=4ec6849f72a8f35cc5044d3c7451e209

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:29 am
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skia
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 		Dana, Cortana, and Rampancy
Another thought.

In the Halo mythos:
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Cortana is one of thousands of AIs which populate the computer networks of the Human worlds. She is, however, somewhat unique; she is a direct copy of a human being, Dr. Halsey, and lacks behavioral inhibitors of any kind.


The interesting part there being that she's a copy of her creator, Dr. Halsey.

Also, she is only somwhat unique.

Dana is obviously a techie of some sort. How techie is she? It's wild speculation, but could her last ditch effort be along the lines of uploading herself and her human rampancy to the net? Or could she, through her efforts, be teaching this AI about rampancy? It's reading her email, right? And rampancy has always required "outside stimulus". The Durandana Drandal connection has already been discussed elsewhere. Is there a link?

For my part, I'm still going to pursue the Dana is an AI path for a while. But it doesn't hurt to throw out other theories.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:31 am
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Max Damage
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 		I think we should abandon the line of inquiry.

You know you're getting off track when your only link between two characters is them both having the letters 'da' in their name.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:56 am
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 		Based on this thread, I'm beginning to see a connection between Dana and another Marathon AI.

Leela.

Dismantled from the Marathon, she was being transported to the Pfhor homeworld, before the craft was attacked and captured by another alien race. They, assuming the metal parts were scrapped, plugged them into their 15 world computer network.

Perhaps Dana is Leela? The forgotten Marathon AI, the only one we know nothing about what happened after midway through Marathon 2?

The more I read the ilovebees stuff, the more I get the feeling my then-crazy idea for Halo 2 might be true - this is all about Leela.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:11 pm
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Max Damage
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 		Dana is a real person - there's webcam footage of her now.

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MrBeanTroll
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 		Please note that in Halo an AI will think it'self to death in 7 years. I believe that this is only the case if it does not have room to expand, which as we've seen in Halo causes rampancy. Durandal was over 300 years old when Marathon started.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:16 pm
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 		Interesting, then based upon some of the current dialogue from the
AI, it may already be in phase 2, anger.

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Max Damage
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vick wrote:
Interesting, then based upon some of the current dialogue from the
AI, it may already be in phase 2, anger.


I think it's safe to say that any Marathon links right now are wild speculation, and hence a second-tier priority.

We have clear evidence of the Halo link though, so we should investigate that.

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number8
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vick wrote:
Interesting, then based upon some of the current dialogue from the
AI, it may already be in phase 2, anger.


I agree that AI is more in the anger phase now. Well I would describe her to be bitter, but angry nonetheless.

I also agree that Dana was the melancholy one, but it's too far out to think of her as an AI instead of a human being.
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Drool problem quite interesting Drool

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:23 pm
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 		I hate to rain on the parade in here, but marathon and halo are not in the same timeline. Bungie put out an article that states in crystal clear terms that the events in Marathon and the sequels didn't happen in the Halo universe.

However, Marathon is indeed a spiritual precursor to Halo, so some analogies can be drawn. The AIs are one of the differences. Marathon has AIs that operate more or less forever, unless you screw with it enough to make it rampant.

Halo has 2 types of AIs, called "smart" and "dumb". The 'dumb' AIs can operate more or less forever, but with a minimal capacity for growth. They are still incredibly intelligent, though. 'Smart' AIs start as a scan from a person's mind. They can learn, grow, write new programs for themselves, modify existing programs, and operate much more efficently than 'dumb' AIs. However, after 7 years, they cease to be useful, spending all their time pondering problems with no answer.

As far as I know (from playing Halo and reading the books), there is no mention of rampancy anywhere in Halo, except if you start killing friendlies on the first level. Cortana says "the Chief has gone rampant" and the marines try to kill you. I'm not sure the Halo universe has ever encountered a rampant AI, at least not by that name.


As it is, when Bungie redid their site, they killed the article, but I remember their statement clearly. It squelched quite a few of my ideas when it came out.

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Max Damage
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 		You should see the IRC channel right now.. Someone just went on an extended rant trying to tie every Bungie game into one coherent timeline, starting with Pathways Into Darkness, which supposedly had magic crystals which are kinda-sorta-like the crystals that they found in the third Halo novel which could possibly maybe be the reason we have The Operator on our current-day networks.

We REALLY need to stop the wild speculation here, and start working with what we have for SURE.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:16 pm
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Anselan
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Max Damage wrote:
You should see the IRC channel right now.. Someone just went on an extended rant trying to tie every Bungie game into one coherent timeline, starting with Pathways Into Darkness, which supposedly had magic crystals which are kinda-sorta-like the crystals that they found in the third Halo novel which could possibly maybe be the reason we have The Operator on our current-day networks.

We REALLY need to stop the wild speculation here, and start working with what we have for SURE.


As was once said, Time is an Arrow

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/timetable.html

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Primus
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Max Damage wrote:
You should see the IRC channel right now.. Someone just went on an extended rant trying to tie every Bungie game into one coherent timeline, starting with Pathways Into Darkness, which supposedly had magic crystals which are kinda-sorta-like the crystals that they found in the third Halo novel which could possibly maybe be the reason we have The Operator on our current-day networks.


Unfortunately, according to Marathon's Story, that mostly tracks. The Halo bits don't enter into it, but PID & the three Marathon games are linked together. Most of the crystals used in Pathways survive the end of the game and it seems are hidden by the protagonist so the US Gov't can't use them.

No, this has no bearing on the current ARG or Halo. But the person in the channel was right about the coherent timeline with regards to Pathways and the Marathon games.

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skia
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I hate to rain on the parade in here, but marathon and halo are not in the same timeline. Bungie put out an article that states in crystal clear terms that the events in Marathon and the sequels didn't happen in the Halo universe.


First off, they're not completely unrelated. Too many common themes and laws, for one thing. SolCore seems to use the insignia of the Marathon (the concentric-circles-with-a-line-connecting-them-thing) as its own calling card, for another. Not unlike adopting the insignia of the Enterprise for Federation-wide use in Next Generation. You could say "Well, Bungie just likes circles" but that begs the question. If they were really intent on there being no connection between the games, they wouldn't have let such a big and obvious one in there.

As for you believing Bungie when they said Halo was in a different timeline, well, fool you once, shame on Bungie. Fool you twice...

It seems probable that we are dealing with at least one AI somewhere in this mess. We aren't told a lot about AI in the Halo world, but we're told novels worth about AIs in Marathon. So far, the "rules" governing AIs in the two games seem pretty self-consistent. So speculation involving rampancy, Tycho, Leelah, and the big D are not wild. They're just the normal kind of useful brainstorming that may lead to an interesting discovery.

Nobody knows nearly enough about this game yet to say what is useful and what is not. Keep an open mind, or, at very least, do not encourage others to close theirs.

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