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Pezdro (unabletologin)
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She's betrayed by a man who she likens to Odysseus, the bastard who thought up the Trojan Horse? That just hit me. Wow.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:47 pm
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leetch11 (unable to login
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Putting it all together

So, coming from the "[INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?" Thread I think we're getting really close to connecting things together. Note what has been being bantered around separate from the links disscussion.

From post from Shad0:
Operator=Queen(=Melissa?)
SPDR=Spider=Widow
Sleeping Princess=ladybee777 "hijacker"
Pious Flea=???
Dana=killer(=assassin?)
Servant=???

and Varin:
Queen/Operator/voodoo parent (female)
Spider/Widow/voodoo witch (female)
Assassin/Dana?
Sleeping Princess (female)
Pious Flea (male)
ilovebees/Castle

These are seeming to fit pretty much together with what has been discussed here. I'm loving the Odyssean references and they fit very well into the info that has been provided thusfar. My question becomes now that we've started to put the story together, why don't any of these puzzles lead to more sites?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:08 pm
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Shad0
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Re: Putting it all together

leetch11 (unable to login wrote:
My question becomes now that we've started to put the story together, why don't any of these puzzles lead to more sites?

Because this medium will not metastasize for another 14 days. Looking forward to the Tuesday update two weeks from now...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:27 pm
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prokat
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Quote:
Odysseus, the bastard who thought up the Trojan Horse?


Obvious and probably unrelated but remember the Melissa virus (aka trojan)? This thing is trying to spread out.

Probably fish bait.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:29 pm
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Leetch11 (unabletologin)
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Re: Putting it all together

Shad0 wrote:

Because this medium will not metastasize for another 14 days. Looking forward to the Tuesday update two weeks from now...


Oh, yeah... I guess I was hoping for more from "the Big Tuesday"

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:33 pm
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Worker
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Re: Putting it all together

Shad0 wrote:
Because this medium will not metastasize for another 14 days. Looking forward to the Tuesday update two weeks from now...


I think that just means that we won't get another site to play with until 14 days from now. Because "network throttling" has "eroded", there could be new information any second on ilovebees.com.

I don't see any (in-game) reason why everything should stay the way it is for the next 2 weeks.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:39 pm
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Crispy
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True, true. I was also hoping for more.
It seems that we have either:

a) Been quicker at solving the puzzles than the PMs thought we would be (unfortunately, their hands are tied by the whole countdown thing)
or
b) Missed something blindingly obvious
EDIT: or (of course! tnx Worker)
c) There will be more at ILB before the 14 days are up.

I'm not an ARG veteran, so I have no experience in these things, but did The Beast take this long to get going? It seems to me that that game had a whole network of sites from the get-go, whereas we only have ILB to play with...

Maybe when the holes are plugged in our work on the current hidden texts, something will reveal itself to us.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:43 pm
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leetch11 (unabletologin)
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The Beast

The Beast took a while to get going, but I think that was more due to the fact that it took all of us a bit of time to setup a unified front. If this is from the original crew of the Beast, I doubt they'd underestimate us this time.

p.s. that reminds me, I've got to get my A.I. poster out of storage!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:57 pm
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jbd
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I should point out the castaway text alludes back to the use of The Tempest from Phase 1:

Those are pearls that were her eyes:
Nothing of her that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange

The Phoenician sailor in The Tempest does not refer to Odysseus directly, but T.S. Eliot makes the connection in his poem The Waste Land.

Commentary from
http://www.en.utexas.edu/classes/bremen/e314l/assignments/w_land/annot/barcas.html

The "sailor home from sea" on line 221 [of The Waste Land] could be Odysseus. Odysseus' travels took him to Phoenicia at one point; he blends in with the Phoenician sailor from Shakespeare's The Tempest. Tiresias' ability to prophesize is not affected by the fact that he is in Hades.

And from the poem itself:

(lines 46-48)
. . . . . . . Here, said she,
Is your card, the drowned Phoenician Sailor,
(Those are pearls that were his eyes. Look!)

(The fortune telling section the poem is an allusion to Odysseus, who went to Hades to speak with Tiresias [who could see the future].)

(lines 312-318)
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:10 pm
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Shad0
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Re: Putting it all together

Crispy wrote:
True, true. I was also hoping for more.
It seems that we have either:

a) Been quicker at solving the puzzles than the PMs thought we would be (unfortunately, their hands are tied by the whole countdown thing)
or
b) Missed something blindingly obvious
EDIT: or (of course! tnx Worker)
c) There will be more at ILB before the 14 days are up.

I'm not an ARG veteran, so I have no experience in these things, but did The Beast take this long to get going? It seems to me that that game had a whole network of sites from the get-go, whereas we only have ILB to play with...

I agree completely with Worker and you. Didn't mean to imply that we would get no more updates for the next two weeks...just that we might get a flood of new web sites then. I, for one, hope for at least three more updates between now and then, a la The Beast.

Your post, however, reminded me of one of my all-time favorite quotations from Elan Lee, one of the original Beast PMs. From a lecture at the Game Developers Conference 2002, at the Convention Center in San Jose, California, on March 22, 2002:

Elan Lee wrote:
What we quickly learned was that the Cloudmakers were a hell of a lot smarter than we are, and that really kept us on our toes... Here, I'll show you this. [He shows a slide entitled 'Beast Beat 1', a puzzle schedule.] Now, there's a color key here for puzzles: hard, easy, not so hard, etc. [Pointing to different colors] These were the puzzles that would take a day, these were puzzles that would take a week, and these puzzles they'd probably never figure out until we broke down and gave them the answers. So we built a three month schedule around this. And finally we released. [Pause.] The Cloudmakers solved all of these puzzles on the first day.

Source: This Is Not A Game: Immersive Aesthetics and Collective Play, Jane McGonigal, Department of Theater, Dance & Performance Studies, University of California at Berkeley. (Reposted with permission on www.seanstewart.org.)

Ah, the bittersweet tang of nostalgia...*sniffle*

(Of course, if this really is The Beast II, I'm sure they won't have made the same mistake twice.)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:10 pm
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jbd
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Addendum: This first Cortana letter quotes Eliot, but from his poem The Hollow Men, not The Waste Land.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:16 pm
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Crispy
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3 months in a day Very Happy

Never underestimate the intelligence (or the stupidity) of the internet.
I can see how a drip-feed of information makes more sense, then. It certainly makes a linear narrative easier to tell.

It almost seems to me as though the only real ARG is the first one you know about. Once you know the structures and styles, it becomes less exciting.

I'm willing to be proved wrong. And besides, this is my first ARG Smile

OK, this is all getting a bit [META] now. Enough!
/me goes to see if there are any gaps in the wiki needing filling.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:32 pm
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number8
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Well now that the Queen took control she can surely update ILB as much as she wants to. Besides, it's kinda stupid for the PM to actually announce when they will post new stuff. Also I've find today's puzzles to be not all that difficult. I mean, when you see broken up phrases you naturally would piece them together right?
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Drool problem quite interesting Drool

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:48 pm
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JK
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not "the sea" --> "the sea melissa"

that's the result of the google search

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:11 pm
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halofan
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Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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Location: ilovebees.com

another dark box, like the original on main page, but this one on... whoa

on:
http://www.ilovebees.com/surg.!store.primary.sector.mem.dmg.0.4.html

wierd... I clicked a bee on the recipe3 page? I think...


I think i found something on that page, but first I have a question...
How do you view the html of a site when using Mozilla Firefox 9.2?

anyway here's the text I found mixed in within the page listed above, only easy way of viewing it is to highlight it....not sure if this has been posted efore, I'm new to this.

Mayday Mayday Mayday
Black beach, nothing but sand and darkness. Sometimes, in the distance, dry lightning. In the flash I see pieces of the wreck around me. The spars and rigging of my brain.
-hold on. hold on. Steady up. Get a grip girl. You have to fight through this
Survival Key #3: How badly are you hurt?

(I'm having problems with the next line....)

Mentally, subject is confused and disoriented

(i think that's what it says, not sure about mentally and disoriented, but they fit, i guess)

Physically, subject is paralyzedbut moving
Okay.
What the hell does THAT mean?
Held down: yes. As if strapped to a table. Could i be in traction in some sick bay? Some hospital ward?
Not necessarily one of ours....
But at the same time, parts of me are being moved around, emptied out. As if under general anesthetic, dimly concious, half-aware as the surgeon cuts off my feet and sews them onto my shoulders. she opens my head with a medical hammer and sand spills out.
I WANT TO DIE I WANT TO -
-no
-never that
survive, evade reveal escape. That is all you know, or need to know.

the cutting off feet thing, wasn't something about feet not wanting o be cut off mentioned before?

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